Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Thing is that you can do 3D games properly. GC games have outdated Nintendo 64 era models for Gen 1 and 2 Pokemon, and yet they still have better animations and more soul than anything Gamefreak has ever released in 3D. For all it's problems, Battle Revolution had fantastic models and animations and they actually started to touch up on some old N64 models. If they had more time, they would be able to finish updating all the models, so even that isn't a big issue.

Gen 5 was sprite kino and anyone who doesn't like it probably can't imagine an apple in their heads either.
 
X-avier cuck said:
It didn't even account for Pokemon Platinum stuff either because it was developed too early, so it really has aged relatively poorly IMHO.
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There's a Platinum build of Battle Revolution that was used in official tournaments, but Nintendo never released it to the public. There were some people searching for it iirc.

X-avier cuck said:
The consensus is that pokémon fans were autistic boot lickers who for whatever reason basically consume the same thing over and over again and didn't demand that game freak upscale the franchise like Zelda and Mario had done.
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Which is true btw.

X-avier cuck said:
Outside of that the Pokemon designs were controversial because they are legitimately regional forms of generation 1 Pokemon and they were even stated to basically be as such.
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I remember it clear as day, gen 5 objectmons were used as evidence that Game Freak was "running out of ideas." The seething caused by Vanilluxe and Garbodor was legendary, yet no one ever mentioned Chandelure or Cofagrigus.

X-avier cuck said:
You can take a look at something like Pinocchio from 1940 something and it will look leagues better than something like wish even though it's on the cusp of being over 80 years old.
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C'mon, using Wish as an example of 3D animation is a low blow. 3D can age as well as 2D, it just needs a strong art style, like the Puss in Boots sequel.

In fact, gen 5 used plenty of 3D, the environments were 3D models with pixelated textures, only the trainers and Pokemon used sprites. Of course, when we talk about 3D in Pokemon what we mean is 3D models for the Pokemon, but it's still worth noting because not many people realize how often 3D was used in gens 4 and 5.
 
Abella said:
God I hate waifufags. Like why is this fucking card $3 when Iono, Marnie, Carmine and Klara were all close in power levels and the basic prints were under $0.50?
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This is the Pokemon fanbase we're talking about, so the reason it's so expensive is probably because they want to squirt hot glue all over it.
Squawking Macaw said:
There's a Platinum build of Battle Revolution that was used in official tournaments, but Nintendo never released it to the public. There were some people searching for it iirc.
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It wasn't found with the Teraleak, so it might sadly just be gone. Ridiculous they never released it to the public, hell it might have even saved the game.
 
Squawking Macaw said:
There's a Platinum build of Battle Revolution that was used in official tournaments, but Nintendo never released it to the public. There were some people searching for it iirc.


Which is true btw.


I remember it clear as day, gen 5 objectmons were used as evidence that Game Freak was "running out of ideas." The seething caused by Vanilluxe and Garbodor was legendary, yet no one ever mentioned Chandelure or Cofagrigus.


C'mon, using Wish as an example of 3D animation is a low blow. 3D can age as well as 2D, it just needs a strong art style, like the Puss in Boots sequel.

In fact, gen 5 used plenty of 3D, the environments were 3D models with pixelated textures, only the trainers and Pokemon used sprites. Of course, when we talk about 3D in Pokemon what we mean is 3D models for the Pokemon, but it's still worth noting because not many people realize how often 3D was used in gens 4 and 5.
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The whole thing is pretty crazy looking back because so few of the modern fan base was actually around to see just how crazy it got.

It honestly the weird dichotomy that Pokemon has attracted to itself because it's easy to think of what could possibly make for the ultimate Mario or Zelda game, but if I ask five Pokemon fans the same thing they would probably have a debate amongst themselves since nobody really likes the same thing about the franchise.

I think the route that Nintendo and TPC are taking is to basically try to pull a Zelda by splitting things off into different factions.

Pokemon champions is for competitive heads and we're going to have to see how generation X turns out, but my suspicion is that now that the turn-based battle system is localized within champions they're probably going to just merge the Legends and SV approaches together which is what they already seem to be doing with za.
 
X-avier cuck said:
Pokemon champions is for competitive heads and we're going to have to see how generation X turns out, but my suspicion is that now that the turn-based battle system is localized within champions they're probably going to just merge the Legends and SV approaches together which is what they already seem to be doing with za.
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Nah, I don't think they know what they're doing at all. They are just milking the paypigs dry cause they found out the franchise is an infinite money cheat and needs no effort made from any of it's products. That friends game with microtransactions is proof of it. If they did want to give fans what they want, they would never have done Dexit and the Switch games would resemble GC games in quality rather than the touched up 3DS garbage(or whatever the hell SV is supposed to be, mobile slopcore maybe).
 
30+GameOvers said:
This is the Pokemon fanbase we're talking about, so the reason it's so expensive is probably because they want to squirt hot glue all over it.
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That wouldn’t surprise me, the waifufags were angry over Lillie not getting an IR/SIR with journey together and battle partners and the tournament collection. They don’t even play so they don’t understand they wouldn’t make a promo of a card that’s been out of standard for 6 years.
 
30+GameOvers said:
Nah, I don't think they know what they're doing at all. They are just milking the paypigs dry cause they found out the franchise is an infinite money cheat and needs no effort made from any of it's products. That friends game with microtransactions is proof of it. If they did want to give fans what they want, they would never have done Dexit and the Switch games would resemble GC games in quality rather than the touched up 3DS garbage(or whatever the hell SV is supposed to be, mobile slopcore maybe).
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What makes a “good” Pokémon game really comes down to YMMV. I’m literally watching one video right now calling a certain generation “peak Pokémon,” and right next to it is another video saying it’s one of the worst in the entire franchise. That contrast kind of sums up where we are.

It’s even more fascinating when you look at the competitive scene—some of the VGC folks I follow are calling Pokémon Champions one of the best entries we’ve ever gotten, despite all the surrounding weirdness and the usual TPC caveats.
Of course, Game Freak isn’t blameless here. They kind of created a large self-made problem and the place they live in is legitimately terrible for work culture anyways, but they can't do anything without upsetting half of the millions of fans that they have because of how sentimental people get about the series

At the end of the day, what the average Pokémon fan wants usually just comes down to the generation they grew up with. For the longest time, it felt like the DS-era crowd (Gen 4/5) dominated that conversation, but now you can feel the tide shifting—people who came in during Sun and Moon or even X and Y are starting to reshape the narrative. The 3DS kids are slowly aging into nostalgia territory, and the whole fandom is shifting again.


The only other thing I can compare this to is Zelda but that had the smarts to diverge its series early on so people can enjoy different things about it can enjoy different things about it
 
X-avier cuck said:
It’s even more fascinating when you look at the competitive scene—some of the VGC folks I follow are calling Pokémon Champions one of the best entries we’ve ever gotten, despite all the surrounding weirdness and the usual TPC caveats.
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Niggercattle that sees no problem with using in-game currency to edit stats of their Pokemon. They likely don't care because they will just gen anyways.
 
30+GameOvers said:
It wasn't found with the Teraleak, so it might sadly just be gone. Ridiculous they never released it to the public, hell it might have even saved the game.
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To find it we'd need someone to send a phishing link to Genius Sonority, or maybe Nintendo. The only evidence we have of that build is a couple of videos made during the 2009 World Championship where Lucas and Dawn have their Platinum costumes, so it's not like the games would change massively. It was basically just a mod made for the tournament.

X-avier cuck said:
What makes a “good” Pokémon game really comes down to YMMV. I’m literally watching one video right now calling a certain generation “peak Pokémon,” and right next to it is another video saying it’s one of the worst in the entire franchise. That contrast kind of sums up where we are.
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To be completely fair, that's the case with every franchise. You always have some fan favorites, sure, but different people like different aspects of any game. Some Pokemon games are less criticized than others, it's rare to find people shitting on HeartGold and SoulSilver, for example (but it's becoming more common).

X-avier cuck said:
At the end of the day, what the average Pokémon fan wants usually just comes down to the generation they grew up with. For the longest time, it felt like the DS-era crowd (Gen 4/5) dominated that conversation, but now you can feel the tide shifting—people who came in during Sun and Moon or even X and Y are starting to reshape the narrative. The 3DS kids are slowly aging into nostalgia territory, and the whole fandom is shifting again.
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One day the Kalos and Alola kids would grow up and spew their nostalgia-tinted opinions all over the place, it seems that day has come. Eventually the Galar and Paldea kids will be of posting age as well.
That said, I grew up with gen 5 and I'm a Unova white knight, so criticizing their "nostalgia-tinted opinions" might be hypocritical of me.
 
Squawking Macaw said:
To find it we'd need someone to send a phishing link to Genius Sonority, or maybe Nintendo. The only evidence we have of that build is a couple of videos made during the 2009 World Championship where Lucas and Dawn have their Platinum costumes, so it's not like the games would change massively. It was basically just a mod made for the tournament.
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The implication is that there is much more than just costume changes in the new release. I am guessing bug fixes, new Pokemon forms(most importantly for Rotom) and maybe better retail Pokemon, or at least wider selection of them. Only way to find out is to find the ROM.
 
I can say personally for me I always had a soft spot for generation 2, and HGSS were some of my most anticipated things ever just because of how much oh a HASSLE it was to get generation 2 Pokemon during generation 3.

I have fond memories of my mom buying me Pokemon heart Gold and Sonic colors for the Wii simultaneously and my dad got me Soul silver.

It's nostalgic memories like that that kind of make Pokemon what it is someone but I never really had that for black and white or their sequels.

As far as the modern games go my favorite is Legends Arceus just because I like that it's a constantly evolving world and I really enjoyed the side quest and characters.

I think the leaks will show that I'll also enjoy ZA, but I really don't know about generation X.
 
GigantorUnitron said:
The spritework was liked, the animations on them and the constant zoom in on them wasn't very well liked and made people overly focus on that instead of the spritework
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Oh man I forgot how bad the constant zooming in and out was in B&W, I will say that I would take the constant zooming in and out over how slow the sinnoh games were.

Squawking Macaw said:
I remember it clear as day, gen 5 objectmons were used as evidence that Game Freak was "running out of ideas." The seething caused by Vanilluxe and Garbodor was legendary, yet no one ever mentioned Chandelure or Cofagrigus.
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People always seethe about objectmons like the key chain one even doe Voltorb and Electrode look like fucking shit compared to the newer objectmons, Also I love Cofagrigus and Sharpedo during the gen 5 games because their names would avoid the word filters so you could name your Pokémon fag or pedo or pedo fag, but the word filter would stop you from calling your Pokémon Faggot or pedophile or fuck or poo and so and so forth. I was still a child when I had this game, so I remember I was traded a Pokémon with the name fag.
 
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I grew up with the original anime series and my first games were the gen 3 ones (since I never got a gameboy or GBA and had to emulate) but I love BW to death since they got me back into the franchise proper. I say SM aren't terrible, just bogged down by unskippable cutscenes, wonder what kind of gen 7 romhacks we will see once we have better modding tools for those.
 
I saw a stream scrolling through YouTube shorts of some lady living in a hotel room showing off her thousands of dollars worth of Pokemon cards. I wonder why it seems like the people with valuable collections like that always live like shit.
 
BlazikenLover said:
I grew up with the original anime series and my first games were the gen 3 ones (since I never got a gameboy or GBA and had to emulate) but I love BW to death since they got me back into the franchise proper. I say SM aren't terrible, just bogged down by unskippable cutscenes, wonder what kind of gen 7 romhacks we will see once we have better modding tools for those.
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I like sun and moon but knowing what it was supposed to be makes it nearly as good as Pokemon X and Y in terms of cut content.

The original pitch for the game sounds like it would have been one of the best Pokemon games of all time
 
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