Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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I just watched the Pokémon Presents video after missing it this morning, I honestly don't regret it since the only thing that really grabbed my interest were the Shiny Treasure of Ruin Tera Raids (I'm glad to see that they're FINALLY coming but it's a shame that it's being done in the same style as SWSH's Shiny Zeraora Dynamax Raid event).

The Worlds stuff is kind of meh, I may be going as an spectator but I'm not exactly pleased with the lack of announcements/reveals. Hell, people are already giving TPCi shit for how they handled reservations for the Pokémon Center Pop-Up Shop that Worlds is going to have yesterday.

Oh, and the Aardman collab is kind of what I expected. I know people wanted to see Pokémon in Aardman's in-house style but that would require all of the watchdogs within the Pokémon pipeline to sign off on it. As far as it looking like CGI is concerned I think that's due to a combination of the claymation being too "clean" and possibly some digital VFX being used (a lot of the effects involving Sirfetch'd and Pichu smell of it).
IIRC there was a theory that, at least in Pokémon X's case, Lysandre is technically alive (and immortal due to Xerneas' power over life) but was just trapped under the rubble of what used to be Team Flare's secret HQ.
 
IIRC there was a theory that, at least in Pokémon X's case, Lysandre is technically alive (and immortal due to Xerneas' power over life) but was just trapped under the rubble of what used to be Team Flare's secret HQ.
That's because of Lysandre's final line before he fires the Ultimate Weapon onto itself. As far as I know, it's like the only line that's different between X and Y that isn't just find-and-replacing Xerneas for Yveltal.
X: "Sycamore’s pupils... Let us live forever... That’s right! I shall grant you eternal life! I’ll give you the pain of endlessly waiting for a beautiful world to finally be built!"
Y: "Sycamore’s pupils... The ultimate weapon is a flower that bloomed to no avail... Just like me... But this ends here! I will show you what its remaining power can do!"
 
I think the big issue here is that Nintendo and game freak are essentially keeping everything to themselves because even with the worst Pokemon games they can drum up.

Also, this confirms all of the Ballguy leaks to be true and as somebody that was in that server and has been tracking the leaks for this game for the past almost 8 months it feels like I can finally breathe and talk about them.

Warning because there's basically zero hype on the board, I feel like I'll share some stuff because at least it gives us something to talk about.

DEM Leaks

This game is following the scarlet and violet approach and there's going to be like three different stories, a true ending, and postgame episodes.

There's the detective art where the MZ squad, emma, zygarde, and Lysander to discover what's going on with team Quasar.

There is a mafia saga which we saw a bit of today and the dudes were hired by team quasar to basically deal with anybody that's getting in the way of their plan.

There's of course the Za Royale which has side quest tied to its other inhabitants.

Then there's the true story which focuses on Ange which the best I can describe is essentially like Hal from space Odyssey or an AI ultimate weapon .

I'm not going to go into deeper story stuff beyond that but you get the gist.

There's 27 Mega evolutions
Gen One

. Dragonite
. Clefable - it becomes a fairy / flying type and gets a darker coloring behind its wings similar to Gengar but its ears resemble Granbulls's

. Victeribel - it basically becomes like a poison Cannon with its Vine wrapped around its stomach.

. Starmie- this one grows longer legs and resembles the starman from EarthBound.

Gen 2.

Meganinum -it becomes a grass/fairy and gains if fleur-de-lis around its neck.

Feraligatr - it gets a red skull helmet thing on his head and the best way I can describe it is that it's like a cross between Druddugon and Ironman also it's water/Dragon

Skarmory -it becomes gold and a lot more sharper.

There is no gen 3 Megas lol.

Gen 4
Froslass - she becomes more oni like and her kimono sort of stretches out to make her look more like a Yuki On a.

Gen 5
Emboar- probably has the most changes out of the Za starters as he gains a fire spear and looks like Zhu Bajije from journey to the West complete with like a fire monk suit.

Scrafty- basically picture gear 5 Luffy's coloration and apply it to the base design.

Scolipede- it becomes more darker and has a bit more gray and it has various poisonous spikes sticking out of it and kind of looks something straight out of berserk.

Chandulure -it gets a lot more fancy gaining two extra handles on it and it's surrounded by ghostly flames (if you've ever seen how it looks in Pokken whenever it uses a synergy boost you basically know what I mean).

Excadrill - it gets a silver plate on its chest and its head and to claws end up becoming more pronounced drills that are orange and red.
When it performs specific attacks it curls up and turns into a spiral.

Electross- it takes cues from its pre-evo Tyamo and becomes like a railgun whenever it does specific attack animations and can either float or crawl around.

Gen 6
Chesnaught -he becomes more Arthurian as he gains a spiky crown on his head, those two spikes that you see on his arms become orange Shields, and he gains a fur like cape that covers his back (I'm thinking something Sir Arthur from Ghost and goblins ).

Delphox- she becomes a straight-up witch and now has a witch hat and her stick is now her broom but additionally she can control other brooms that she uses for Kamikaze purposes.

Greninja- basically take Ash Greninja, and give him the coloration of his shiny but mix it in with the blue and you have how he looks but he's on a giant water shuriken that he hangs from upside down and uses it for various attacks like in Smash

Pyroar-the main resembles a diamonji (the symbol of fire blast) and it has a fiery aura surrounding the body.

Hawlucha- he gains a tiger mask aesthetic where his feathers are black, gold, and a mix of his original red but specifically the mass portion is all white so you can't see his eyes like Rey Mysterio .

Barbarcle- he becomes an Ashura and getting some black coloring surrounding his fist and becomes a rock/ fighting type.

Az Floette- the poor thing effectively fuses with its flower and becomes kind of like a miniature ultimate weapon and the best way to describe it would be to think of Bayleef's beta or the original cut design of Florgres.

Zygarde -basically take complete zygarde and make him all green and mixing some white and he has a gigantic Cannon that looks like the original ultimate weapon on his back.



Gen 7.
Drampa- it becomes more Viking like and it's original clouds turn black and gray like it's supposed to be a thunderstorm and he looks a lot more vicious.

Zeraora - it exists but there's not much information on it it's just in the code.

Gen 8
Falinks - they become Voltron but they're also a reference to that legendary hero statue in Motostoke.

I did a lot of paraphrasing here but I do like how diverse the selection is, and I think it is a shame that at least a few of these weren't shown off today.

How the fuck is Lysandre not dead? He was practically vaporised.
It's basically implied to my understanding that zygarde has power over necromancy and he sort of the new AZ.

I've also seen it stated that Jett and even the rival are most likely his wife and child respectively so I kind of see it as a way of him witnessing what he left behind and helping you stop it kind of like a Ebenezer Scrooge situation.
 

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Barbarcle- he becomes an Ashura and getting some black coloring surrounding his fist and becomes a rock/ fighting type.

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Unironically my least favorite mon; just so fucking irrelevant (but it is a good niche, tbh). No wonder why Game Freak remembered and chose this piece of shit. Not like Kalos had a stacked regional dex anyway.

Az Floette- the poor thing effectively fuses with its flower and becomes kind of like a miniature ultimate weapon and the best way to describe it would be to think of Bayleef's beta or the original cut design of Florgres.
If this looks Sectonia from Kirby, I might really dig it.
 
It's basically implied to my understanding that zygarde has power over necromancy and he sort of the new AZ.

I've also seen it stated that Jett and even the rival are most likely his wife and child respectively so I kind of see it as a way of him witnessing what he left behind and helping you stop it kind of like a Ebenezer Scrooge situation.
Thanks for posting that image, I was looking for it earlier today and couldn't find it at full size, Dragonite's and Scrafty's descriptions are spot-on so we can assume these are real. Most of these sound like they will suck except for Meganium and Scolipede (and maybe Drampa, Delphox and Falinks). Also aren't Mega Skarmory's colors basically the base form's shiny?
 
Why do I keep coming back to this series? It's just mashing A for 8 gym leaders every game, or mashing A in turbo on an emulator. Nostalgia a hell of a drug.
That is a big part of why Pokémon substitutes do not necessarily work: they tend t occupy different niches.
Take Megami Tensei, a cyberpunk series where you wield mythological deities in an adult environment then choose between being a stereotypical Christian, Satanist, or Übermensch. Meanwhile, Pokémon is about going into the world and proving that you and your friends are the bes through skill and friendship, while beating the bad guys is a side hustle. That shows how you handle your party: whereas Pokémon eventually expects you to train a full team of 6 of your favourites, Megami Tensei expects you to keep fusing weaker Personæ into stronger ones. Thes expectations form the gameplay.

That is a big reason why a lot of games rip off Pokémon: the core concept and gameplay work tonnes, even with its flaws. They also leave a lot of room where you can take things into new directions…
*looks a the new Pokémon Direct*
…even if not all of those directions are good. Then again, how many here sincerely enjoyed the Switch games?
 
I feel like Nintendo is incredibly out of touch and that dullness has been severely affecting their marketing campaigns.

Donkey Kong Bonanza is a phenomenal game, but the marketing for it sold it short and made people think that it was just a mysterious anomaly.

They straight up took a alpha of the game to video game events and had people play an incomplete version of it without the Bonanza powers which just made it feel lacking and we didn't get anything solid until the direct.

Pokemon is even worse because they announce this presents two months in advance only to effectively reveal a tsunami of nothing burgers that they could have just announced gradually on Twitter months ago.

The main problem with the Za trailer is that it's basically just a USUM styled remix of the very first pokémon Day trailer which makes it come off as redundant because it feels like we should be getting a more detailed look of the game by this point.

If it weren't for the leaks then I would have been checked out months ago but now I'm just rolling my eyes at how bad they're purposely making the game look which is probably even more annoying
 
Well, if GF now thinks that giving a Pokemon a Mega is the same as haphazardly slapping extra parts on it, then let's try doing the same. Take a look at my Dragonite-styled Megas:
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They're very creative, aren't they?
 
To be fair, I feel like this is more of a product of Mega evolutions having a inconsistent design philosophy.

Both Mega Mewtwo designs represent this extreme schism.
Y looks like a dragon Ball z villain reject while the other one looks like if Mewtwo were merged with Ryu from Street fighter.

On the flip side you have designs like Mega Slowbro which is supposed to be our goofy take on a Saze Oni and Mega audino which looks like it could pass for a full-blown evolution.


Mega Dragonite is around the same level as Mega Blastoise or Venusaur where they just added on what was already there.
 
When I first heard of Mega Dragonite, I was not only excited, especially over the death of those ‘Dragoniteite’ jokes, but also was :optimistic:Optimistic over Mega Flygon. /ignores the leaks/
Once I actually saw Mega Dragonite, I feel half-relieved that Flygon did not get a Mega Forme.

They gave the black guy a Scrafty as his ace? What are his other Pokemon, Jynx, Blaziken and Rillaboom?
You forgot Passimian.
 
Saw the new presentation, I don't even follow anything official Pokemon related anymore but still saw in my feed. And uh...
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  • Competitive faggotry
  • Random ass Pokemon show I haven't even heard of gets another season apparently
  • Someone talks about some new animation for half the time slot, the other half is just noises with some effects going off in the background while the main focus is that sheep pokemon trannies and redditors love
  • "Oh shit they're bring back PokePark-ah nevermind, it's some amusement park extension that'll be abandoned and turned into fuel for 'exploring abandoned areas' videos within a decade"
  • People still play Pokemon GO?
  • Mobile trash
  • Comfy mobile game for mostly girls (and trannies, they latch onto cute shit like parasites) I'd imagine
  • Half a minute of some sleep-tracker app update using music that's the exact opposite of what someone would want to sleep to
  • "Wait I thought that moba game was shut down already"
  • TCG shit for scalpers and "content" creators to spend thousands of dollars on so they can gamble getting something rare enough to get their money back
  • More mobile shit, puzzle game that might be hard for the mentally impaired edition. This part was funny though: 1753226634095.webp
  • "They're still updating this garbage ass game? Just kill it already!"
  • E-sport fuel Pokemon game, also known as a Pokemon game but without everything that (once) made Pokemon interesting, featuring QoL that you'll never see in a mainline title for some reason. Not to mention how flawed Pokemon combat is (especially in the animation department) yet making a game based entirely around it
  • Lots of nothing with the occasional something, such as Mega Dragonite that looks like they just gave up. Emma coming back is neat and she looks pretty cool. Oh God are they going to call it Dragonitenite?
They're very creative, aren't they?
Adding bits of blue to Mega Dragonite could have been the least they could have done to make it less...boring. Did they fire the guy who made the original megas or something? Even the more basic ones like the mega Tyranitar they used are way more interesting.
 
It is genuinely depressing that little kids who played XY as their first games are now old enough to get nostalgic and buy this game for that alone.
So the game will just be memberberries for XY zoomies and a retreat of that same plotline.
Zoomer years are generally given as 97-12, so while some Zoomers first got in with Gen 3 (such as myself), most were Gen 4 and 5 - the former got indisputably the worst remakes yet and the latter has thankfully been spared remakes. Maybe there are some younger zoomers with genuine nostalgia for XY as games but in my experience the only people who actually have nostalgia for Kalos were longstanding fans of the anime, amourshippers, or people thinking about what X&Y could have been. I don't hear anyone talking about the battles or starters or locations or legendaries or story years on in the same way you can easily find about Gens 4/5, the closest is people occasionally remembering Korrina or the NPC trainer designs. So if anything this will probably make it bomb harder since they're not doing anything to pander to the diehard Kalos fans.
 
I do think there is a bit of lionization of Mega evolution because they were incredibly divisive back in XY.
The idea was kind of seen as a jumping the shark moment for Pokemon and the designs could be pretty Hit or Miss but I think also people were upset that they basically cut into the number of actual new Pokemon leaving us with only 72 in Gen 6.

I think the only reason they're more fondly remembered is because of everything else that has proceeded them to the point that they look tame by comparison and of course they've just been around longer.
 
I do think there is a bit of lionization of Mega evolution because they were incredibly divisive back in XY.
The idea was kind of seen as a jumping the shark moment for Pokemon and the designs could be pretty Hit or Miss but I think also people were upset that they basically cut into the number of actual new Pokemon leaving us with only 72 in Gen 6.
Yeah, I remember that, they were even criticized for being ripoffs of Digimon (I said the same thing back then), but by the time ORAS came out they were positively received aside from Mega Rayquaza. And through the power of hindsight we can see that GF would never keep adding 100+ unique Pokemon per generation. If it isn't Megas it's regionals, or Gigantamax, or convergent evolutions, or whatever other excuse they fancy to rehash old Pokemon and sell that as brand new.

You forgot Passimian.
I had it before I switched to Rillaboom lol, I also considered Granbull.
 
The idea was kind of seen as a jumping the shark moment for Pokemon
Yeah, I remember that, they were even criticized for being ripoffs of Digimon (I said the same thing back then)
I'm third-ing these two, especially as a watershed moment for Pokemon. A "fourth" evolution, temporary or not, IMO really broke one of Pokemon's fundamentals, which is always to have three stages and that's that for a line. New evo? Oh, must be a split-evo then...! Nope.

I'm still also mad several Megas could easily be proper, actual evolutions in stats and designs to give the ones who could/especially needed an evo to stand out for good but nooooo.....

And through the power of hindsight we can see that GF would never keep adding 100+ unique Pokemon per generation. If it isn't Megas it's regionals, or Gigantamax, or convergent evolutions, or whatever other excuse they fancy to rehash old Pokemon and sell that as brand new.
I have more sympathy for GF needing to spice things up here-and-there with gimmicks than I sound above, that's the nature of keeping things fresh and I understand it from a sales standpoint... but Pokemon's such a genuinely and wonderfully strong base concept you could easily just fine-tune most existing things in the battle format, endless new mons/designs, and throw in gameplay gimmicks elsewhere to show how pokemon affect their world (IE, contests or whatever) and people would still eat it up. Imagine them doing that or transitioning far more properly into meaty, non-"tech demo"-esque 3D games from Gen VI onward, considered just as chock-full of stuff as say Gens II and IV, and beloved on the same level as those in fan reception.

A man can dream....
 
Crossposting this from the Switch 2 thread but Z-A is being bundled with the Switch 2 on release day.
For those of you wondering why the Switch 2 Mario Kart World bundle is a limited-time offering it appears that today's Pokémon Presents had an answer to that...
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...in the form of a new $499 USD Switch 2 bundle releasing on October 16th that includes a digital copy of Pokémon Legends: Z-A. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the way Nintendo starts to move Switch 2 systems is by bundling it with the company's game-du-jour, advertising it as being a limited-time deal, and then introduces a new bundle when the previous bundle's stock starts to run out.
Sadly it's just the a regular Switch 2 and not one with a new color scheme but that's to be expected.
 
Take Megami Tensei, a cyberpunk series where you wield mythological deities in an adult environment then choose between being a stereotypical Christian, Satanist, or Übermensch. Meanwhile, Pokémon is about going into the world and proving that you and your friends are the bes through skill and friendship, while beating the bad guys is a side hustle. That shows how you handle your party: whereas Pokémon eventually expects you to train a full team of 6 of your favourites, Megami Tensei expects you to keep fusing weaker Personæ into stronger ones. Thes expectations form the gameplay.
I don’t think Megaten is as good of a comparison because it existed long before Pokemon did. I’d say if you really wanted to compare Pokemon clones that just couldn’t cut it because they tried to copy the formula I’d say fossil fighters or yokai watch would be better comparisons. There were a lot of attempts during the DS era to try to copy the formula, but in the end it was always “Pokemon but with ___”.
 
I do think there is a bit of lionization of Mega evolution because they were incredibly divisive back in XY.
While Megas were divisive, the modern appreciation is less because the downward trend leaves nothing better in comparison and more an understanding that they were a necessary decision to keep the series from growing stale. The idea a decision regarding Pokémon being reason to discredit it alone is a poor one, because Pokémon fans had cemented themselves as not understanding what they actually wanted when they bitched about Black and White. There was simply no way X and Y could survive solely on the transition to polygons.
 
  • TCG shit for scalpers and "content" creators to spend thousands of dollars on so they can gamble getting something rare enough to get their money back
There’s nothing they could have announced regarding the TCG that they couldn’t do some other time or place. Same with pocket and definitely same with live. Pocket also caters to gambling addicts like the physical TCG, but you’re just paying for cards you don’t own.

I think at this point I’d stay completely on live if I wasn’t already growing bored of the current format moving forward towards HIJ. G block rotating out means a lot of the fun cards will be going away with the rotation.
 
How the fuck is Lysandre not dead? He was practically vaporised.

Didn't he also get vaporized at the end of the XYZ anime too?

I'm sorry, did you think Pokemon could be healed fully from injuries that would lead to literal death in an instant, but not that each human has a bail out system installed to digitize their bodies and teleport them to the nearest pokemon center at the first sign of impending doom?

It's called whiting out. Nothing like the old days when Red had to shuffle back to the center on foot sneaking past wild Pokemon to not get mauled.

I guess this is TPCi's version of Blizzard's "Merely a Setback".
 
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