Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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SM literally had you skip Mina's trial because it had given up by that point, I'd take Platinum where the Gym Leaders and League actually do stuff any day.
Pretty sure that was just cut content at play here, I remember they did do something with her in Ultras. If not, at least it's in her character, being lazy and easy going and all that. The game also didn't have a traditional Victory Road compared to other games, the canyon on that island is the closest thing to it. The actual "Victory Road" is a hallway, a bit more so than that in Ultra but a literal hallway in the original titles. I will take Vast Poni Canyon over yet another trial, if a choice comes down to that.
BTW I do enjoy the gym challenge format too, and would have preferred if you got to battle the island gym leaders as well. I just said that I like how the new island challenge format works, and changes things up just enough to work. I've made it clear that SM is an unfinished mess.
These are the same games that definitively introduced alien civilizations and travelling to different dimensions and alternate realities through wormholes to mainline Pokemon.
True, doesn't change much. RBY also had MewTwo, for example, and glitch Pokemon like Missingno if you want to count them, along with other fantastical elements. Plus, UBs were always more like SCPs to me rather than aliens, it was Ultras that introduced the alien angle more with the Ultra Space Squad or whatever they were called. Either way, both feel more grounded than the games where you have to save the world from some villain of the week group, I guess GSC was also pretty grounded in that regard.
Team Yell and Team Skull are Snagem rejects, and just like Snagem are patsies for the actual antagonist. Here's a hot take; I want my villainous organizations in a setting with animal-youkai capable of channeling the elements and even altering the fabric of reality to have a bit more ambition than being antisocial, totally-just-misunderstood hooligans.
That's fine, I'm just stating my opinion. Villain groups were never anything special in these games and they don't amount to much, so I might as well just have them be regular goons since they are all they will ever be. Team Skull plays this trope straight, as nobody takes them seriously in the game and neither should they. I can never buy that Team Rocket are this scary group nobody is willing to stand against, when they're one step removed from being a mustache twirling cartoon character with dogshit Pokemon to boot(why didn't some half-decent trainer wipe out their HQ before you? They have literally no answer to a Ghost types before FRLG, one could wreck every single one of them minus Giovanni himself). Same goes for Magma/Aqua/Galactic/Plasma ect. who are just doofuses, nothing is done with them and their plans are retarded. I would agree with you if Gamefreak knew how to write proper villains or stories, but they can't, so simple characters and simple stories are their best. You're right in that the GC titles knew how to properly raise the stakes and give us a villainous group that was actually threatening, but we haven't seen anything like that in the mainline games. Even at their best, the writing is too stupid to take seriously and filled with plotholes, which I am not even getting into since these are games for kids and it doesn't matter. Again, why simple stories and villain groups are best in my opinion.
 
While we're talking about SM, can I just say that Gen 7 has overall my favorite Pokemon designs of all time? Not sure if that's a popular opinion or not, but I never hear anyone praising any of the pokemon besides Mimikyu (which to be fair, it's a solid gold design).

I even love the silly ones like Dhelmise and the ugly ones like Bruxish. The only stinker of the entire cast is Zeraora, which just looks like a Digimon reject to me.




Less to troons and more to gooners and waifu fags. Lillie pandering is the most obvious case.
It all went downhill when they made that one "dating sim" sidequest in BW2 :( :(

Which I'm actually surprised they never brought anything like it back. I found it kinda cute, even though I accidentally skipped it and beat the main game... twice.
 
While we're talking about SM, can I just say that Gen 7 has overall my favorite Pokemon designs of all time? Not sure if that's a popular opinion or not, but I never hear anyone praising any of the pokemon besides Mimikyu (which to be fair, it's a solid gold design).

I even love the silly ones like Dhelmise and the ugly ones like Bruxish. The only stinker of the entire cast is Zeraora, which just looks like a Digimon reject to me.
You can usually tell at a glance which generation a Pokemon came from. The designs fell off and they became very generic starting with Gen 5 and especially in 6. If you didn't play these games, you wouldn't know where they came from or if it's even a real Pokemon. Gen 7 was the one that brought back unified, interesting designs and, in my opinion, made each area where you find a new Pokemon a highlight when you encounter them. Brought back a little of that excitement from Gen 1 or 2 when you got something new when you entered a new area. Regional variants didn't hurt either.
Gen 8 and 9 are just absolute dogshit, there is only 3 new designs from those eras I like: The new regional Zigzagoon line, Falinks and Houndstone. Everything else is a worse clone of something from the past or looks godawful. Meanwhile, pretty every single Pokemon from Gen 7 either spiced up it's encounter area or is genuinely a useful Pokemon for one reason or another. The Legenderies were also consistently good, every single Tapu is fantastic and each has their own use, where as all the box Legendaries + Necrozma are not only busted but look cool too. Gen 8 onwards has garbage Legendaries and like half of them are locked behind DLC at this point. Gen 6 had this problem too, altho with half of them being mythicals pretty much nobody would have unless they played that gen religiously. Zygarde was also a big disappointment, to the point where it got it's unique forms in Gen 7 and it's actual lore in the fucking anime, not the games.
 
The idea that USUM is overrated seems weird to me. When I think the reception to it I mostly just think of /vp/ meming ULTRA CHANGES a bunch and being generally disappointed with it. It's also a pretty common complaint that the story is worse than base SM. It does have some improvement over SM with the available Pokemon and slightly harder trainers iirc, but I don't see people really talking about it as one of the better games that they replay often like Emerald, Platinum, HGSS, or B2W2.

I think it came the closest to recreating that feeling of being a kid on an adventure and conquering the strongest trainers in the land best since the original titles,
I like Sun/Moon and will defend it to a point, but this is actually something I don't think it did well. The whole way the island challenge is set up including having a bunch of guides acting like chaperones makes things feel kind patronizing, like you're a kid on a field trip rather than on an adventure. You needing put on safety gear when riding Pokemon adds to that feeling too, like Game Freak was worried kids where going to ride their horses without a helmet if the game didn't show proper safety.

I have a similar problem with XY too. The general way that game presents itself alongside how your friends act dragging you around to look at the sights makes it feel more like you're a tourist on vacation than someone going on an adventure.

While we're talking about SM, can I just say that Gen 7 has overall my favorite Pokemon designs of all time? Not sure if that's a popular opinion or not, but I never hear anyone praising any of the pokemon besides Mimikyu (which to be fair, it's a solid gold design).

I even love the silly ones like Dhelmise and the ugly ones like Bruxish. The only stinker of the entire cast is Zeraora, which just looks like a Digimon reject to me.
I like most of them. Even if the overall quality started going down with Gen 6, I feel like Pokemon designs only took a dive with Gen 8.
Zeraora seems like another blatant attempt to recreate Lucario's success, like Zoroark. But it's by far the lamest of the furbait group. I guess they half succeeded, since it doesn't seem very popular with most popular, but it's very popular with furries who want to fuck it.

Primarina and Ilima are blatant troon-bait
Imagine looking at a mermaid and immediately thinking of trannies lmao
 
I like Sun/Moon and will defend it to a point, but this is actually something I don't think it did well. The whole way the island challenge is set up including having a bunch of guides acting like chaperones makes things feel kind patronizing, like you're a kid on a field trip rather than on an adventure. You needing put on safety gear when riding Pokemon adds to that feeling too, like Game Freak was worried kids where going to ride their horses without a helmet if the game didn't show proper safety.
It does feel like a theme park ride, especially with the hallway design of the routes. Still, the idea is solid, but the execution is a bit off.
Zeraora seems like another blatant attempt to recreate Lucario's success, like Zoroark. But it's by far the lamest of the furbait group. I guess they half succeeded, since it doesn't seem very popular with most popular, but it's very popular with furries who want to fuck it.
I will never understand why they released that one at the ass end of Gen 7 when nobody was going to use it, instead of hinting at it and getting people hyped up for it to be in Gen 8. I have literally never used mine.
The idea that USUM is overrated seems weird to me. When I think the reception to it I mostly just think of /vp/ meming ULTRA CHANGES a bunch and being generally disappointed with it. It's also a pretty common complaint that the story is worse than base SM. It does have some improvement over SM with the available Pokemon and slightly harder trainers iirc, but I don't see people really talking about it as one of the better games that they replay often like Emerald, Platinum, HGSS, or B2W2.
It is mostly just /vp/ memeing, most people I know loved it.
 
playing card: color, rank, suit

pocketmon card: name, evolution, HP, type, retreat cost, weakness, resistance...

newer Yu-Gi-Oh card: tl;dr
 
>87,5% male

And I mean, most Popplio fans that I met were usually flamboyant or part of the alphabet soup in some way, so idk, I can see it.
Game Freak is autistic. All starters must have 87.5/12.5 gender ratio because all the previous ones do, even if they're feminine. I doubt the fanbase for Primarina is particularly different from other feminine Pokemon. Any Pokemon that looks girly has three main types of fans.
1. actual women
2. faggots
3. animal fuckers

I will never understand why they released that one at the ass end of Gen 7 when nobody was going to use it, instead of hinting at it and getting people hyped up for it to be in Gen 8. I have literally never used mine.
It wasn't the end of Gen 7 yet. LGPE is technically still Gen 7. They needed another mythical for cross-promotion with the anime movie that came out 2018. Starting with Gen 3 they clearly wanted to have a mythical for every year of that generation so they would have a new one to give away with each movie each year.

First in Gen 1, Mew was put in as just an easter egg. Supposedly the only members of the dev team that even knew it was in the game data were Tajiri and Morimoto.
1998 - Anime makes its first movie about Mewtwo because of course it does, and also features Mew for the obvious connection and by this point Mew is officially revealed and has giveaways for it.
1999- Anime has proven successful enough that it's still going indefinitely now and is getting movies every Summer. Having the 2nd movie just star the bird trio wouldn't be good enough, so the anime team asks Game Freak to come up with a new legendary Pokemon for them. Sugimori designs Lugia, and movie writer Shudo comes up with Lugia's lore, and Game Freak decides to put Lugia in GS as the mascot for Silver version while Ho-Oh is the mascot for Gold (originally they just planned for Ho-Oh to be the only "uber" legendary in GS like Mewtwo was for Gen 1). Gold/Silver comes out only a few months later that year (almost all Pokemon games from here on come out in the Fall) so this starts the pattern of the final movie of a gen starring a next gen Pokemon to hype up the next game.

In Gen 2 they decided to put in Celebi as a secret Pokemon to copy what happened with Mew. Originally they planned to feature it in the anime as part of the story arc with the GS Ball.
2000 - They aren't messing with Celebi yet, so the anime team picks out another legendary to be the featured Pokemon, so they pick Entei arbitrarily.
2001 - By this point they decided to drop the whole GS Ball storyline in the anime without conclusion and feature Celebi in a movie instead. Suicune also cameos because Crystal is the latest game. Celebi is officially revealed and has a giveaway to copies of Crystal (which still features the GS Ball as part of the Japan-only event).
2002 - Ruby/Sapphire is coming up, so they feature Latias and Latios to hype it up.

With Gen 3 they seem to have decided to fully plan out having another mythical Pokemon in the game data to have Pokemon to feature in the movies and have tie-in events for for multiple years, so they make two mythicals with Jirachi and Deoxys.
2003 - Jirachi focused movie, with Jirachi being officially revealed and given away for the first time.
2004 - Deoxys focused movie, with it being revealed and given away to copies of FRLG (where it first gets alt forms which are shown off in the movie). Emerald is also coming in a few months so Rayquaza also makes a big appearance and Emerald also gets its own Deoxys event and form.
2005 - Diamond/Pearl was originally supposed to come out this year, so this year's movie starred Lucario to hype it up. There was also Mew as a major part of the movie, probably picked tie-in with FRLG, and so they had that year's movie tie-in giveaway be Mew with Emerald having a special in-game event for it.
2006 - Oops, DP got delayed a year, so this year's movie is also hyping Gen 4. It stars Manaphy, which was just some design Sugimori had laying around that they weren't sure what they were going to do with yet, but the anime staff asked for a new legendary to feature so Sugimori picked it out and handed it to them. They nothing more to givaway to mainline games, so they did the event with Pokemon Ranger where you complete the Manaphy mission in it and you get an egg you can transfer to DP once it came out a few months later.

They made sure to have enough mythicals in Gen 4, so in addition to Manaphy and Phione, they made three more with Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus.
2007 - Darkrai focused movie, gets revealed and given out for the first time. The movie also features Dialga and Palkia, starting a pattern for the next couple gens where the first movie would also feature that generation's box legendaries.
2008 - Shaymin focused movie, and also Giratina since Platinum came out that year. To give extra incentive to get Shaymin, they put the new Sky Forme in Platinum which is also shown off in the movie.
2009 - Arceus focused movie. Since HGSS was coming out just a couple months later they ended up skipping out doing the full Azure Flute event for copies of DPP and instead focused things the Arceus giveaway letting you access the Sinjoh Ruins event in HGSS. They also stuck the spiky-eared Pichu in the movie, which was another event Pokemon for copies of HGSS.
2010 - Stars Zorua and Zoroark to hype up Black/White coming up, but also feature Celebi and cameos from the beast trio so they had Pokemon to giveaway. Tie-in event was a Celebi and shiny beast trio who could transfer into BW later to catch Zorua and Zoroark in that game.

For Gen 5 they made four mythicals, Victini, Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genosect. Only three got movies. I'm not sure if they made an extra in case the generation lasted four years, or if they didn't expect the anime team to make the first movie about Victini since it was given away soon after BW came out as a timed event to get people to buy the game at release.
2011 - Movie focuses on Victini, Reshiram, and Zekrom. Victini was already revealed and given away at BW's release, but I think they had another giveaway with the movie along other Pokemon.
2012 - Keldeo stars in the movie, gets revealed and given away to go along with it. Kyurem and its new forms are also a major part of the movie because B2W2 came out the same year. They gave Keldeo a new form in B2W2 that also gets shown off in the movie. Meloetta never starred in a movie, instead it got featured in a couple anime episodes and in the short that ran with the movie, and was also given away this year.
2013 - Genosect is left, so obviously it's the featured Pokemon and is given away. But XY was coming out soon, so it also features Mega Mewtwo Y to hype up Gen 6, though the concept of Megas wasn't actually revealed yet so Mewtwo's new form goes unnamed and unexplained in the movie.

Gen 6 was likely going to be three years long, so they made three mythicals. Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.
2014 - Diancie movie with Xerneas and Yveltal. Diance is revealed and given away. ORAS also came out this year a few months later, so they feature a new Mega Diancie in the movie and have an even in ORAS where you get the mega stone when you transfer Diancie into it.
2015 - Hoopa movie with giveaway, and they did the same trick of introducing a new form with Unbound form in ORAS. Since ORAS has every legendary in it that wasn't in XY, they also stuck a whole bunch of legendaries in the movie too. And ORAS has most of the legendaries coming out of what looks like Hoopa's rings, so they seemed to have had this tie-in planned from the start.
2016- Volcanion is revealed and giveaway with the movie, but Sun/Moon is also coming out soon so the movie also features a new Pokemon you'll be able to get in SM with Magearna to hype up Gen 7. Also the movie kind of features Zygarde (it doesn't do much, but they showed it off a bunch in trailers) because had they made Z it would have come out last year, but they didn't and mainly Zygarde got shown off in the anime.

With Gen 7 it seems Game Freak had decided on introducing new Pokemon mid-generation now, so other than Magearna they only stuck a single mythical in Sun/Moon to start, Marshadow.
2017 - The movie this year was that weird AU retread of the first season featuring Ho-Oh. But they also awkwardly stuck Marshadow in there so they could tie-in with giving it away that year. Then USUM comes out later this year, so they put Zeraora in it for next year's movie.
2018 - Features Lugia to go along with last year's movie I guess, but mainly features Zeraora, which is revealed and given away to copies of USUM.
Then Let's Go comes out later this year, so they gave that its own new mythical with Meltan/Melmeltal. They don't make a movie about it though, instead featuring it in the anime series by giving Ash one.
2019 - The movie this year was a 3DCG remake of the first movie, for some reason. I guess you could say it ties into the newest game at the time Let's Go being a Gen 1 remake.

And then in Gen 8 they put a single mythical into the game to start, Zarude.
2020 - Zarude focused movie, gets given away.

And then the anime studio stopped making movies after that, so Game Freak stopped making any more event-exclusive Pokemon since there was no longer anything to tie them into. Though I guess you could say Pecharunt feels like one.
 
One of the stories I linked to earlier just updated to include Black Bolt and White Flare's sell sheet and various products (some of which were in the original), here's the sell sheet.
  • Over 170 cards
  • More than 65 illustration rare cards
  • More than 5 special illustration rare cards
  • Six Pokémon ex (including Zekrom ex and Meloetta ex in Black Bolt and Reshiram ex and Keldeo ex in White Flare)
  • Eight ultra rare Pokémon and Supporter cards
  • One illustration rare or special illustration rare card for each Unova Pokémon
  • One special illustration rare Supporter card
  • Three different parallel foil sets, two of which will feature either a rainbow Poké Ball or Master Ball pattern shimmering across the card
  • New “Black White rare” cards, which will feature card illustrations in a monochromatic black or white design
Hoo boy, I'm really not a fan of those Poké/Master Ball pattern holos. Prismatic Evolutions had dogshit because of that and it's a shame to see TPCi continue making those mistakes here.
They’ve gone all in on pandering to waifufags with SIRs because making them lottery cards takes in a lot more money than just the special rare Pokemon cards.
Eh, as long as the non-waifufag SIRs are somewhat obtainable I don’t think most folks will give a shit about that. But then again cards that feature popular human characters in general are featured on a card, the SIR print of Giovanni’s Mewtwo ex from The Glory of Team Rocket is currently selling for $300-$350 on eBay.
 
Eh, as long as the non-waifufag SIRs are somewhat obtainable I don’t think most folks will give a shit about that. But then again cards that feature popular human characters in general are featured on a card, the SIR print of Giovanni’s Mewtwo ex from The Glory of Team Rocket is currently selling for $300-$350 on eBay.
It’s the hype with that mewtwo that’s the problem I have. It adds to the FOMO factor that’s already been pushed on with the last 3 sets. Most of the illustration rares are still below $5 and are of ‘mons that aren’t sought after by the people who chase restocks. They just wind up in their bulk bin and not circulating.
 
I just said that I like how the new island challenge format works, and changes things up just enough to work.
What about its changes made it work for you? I personally didn't see anything meaningfully different between it and the gimmicks most gyms employed. What other ideas would you have for making different challenge formats?
Either way, both feel more grounded than the games where you have to save the world from some villain of the week group, I guess GSC was also pretty grounded in that regard.
Hard disagree, aliens and traversable alternate dimensions open such a massive can of worms in relation to what actually constitutes a Pokemon and the relative technology of the setting it's retarded and removes whatever suspension of disbelief I could have. I could at least believe that fictional Weather Underground or Aum Shinrikyo would want to weaponize animals that can control elements because that at least is internally consistent, but the moment you tell me that alien lifeforms can be captured in Pokeballs I start to wonder what's keeping any petty thief from holding people for ransom in Pokeballs. Nevermind just reducing the villainous team to run-of-the-mill criminals is just uninspired - we don't need a villainous team to have basic thugs in Pokemon, we've had Cue Balls and Bikers as trainer classes since the first generation; making them into a villainous team isn't grounded, it's a waste of worldbuilding.
why didn't some half-decent trainer wipe out their HQ before you?
This logic could be applied to most things in Pokemon games. Why didn't someone win the league before you like in the very first game? Why didn't someone complete the Pokedex before you and why is that task being entrusted to some 1X year old? It's all suspension of disbelief, and I have an easier time doing that for the necessities of a linear RPG than I do for aliens and multiverses.
Same goes for Magma/Aqua/Galactic/Plasma ect. who are just doofuses, nothing is done with them and their plans are retarded.
Magma and Aqua are ecoterrorists while Galactic is a new age personality cult, all of whom are infamously retarded IRL. Plasma actually does succeed in their plan (which is practical, seize the government) only to have the rug pulled out from them in the eleventh hour. The first three enable your encounter with the region's legendary and the last drives the entire plot of its game, so I don't really know what you mean by saying nothing is done with them beyond them being underutilized.
Not sure if that's a popular opinion or not, but I never hear anyone praising any of the pokemon besides Mimikyu
I've seen some people praise them and some people trash them, most just seem indifferent. I can count on one hand the amount of designs I actually like from Gen 7, most of them were just boring to me and I didn't like regional variants on the basis they only went to Kanto mons and Kanto designs are my least favorite of the original four. Probably the worst crime for me is that all the Legendaries are incredibly boring to me and were clearly overshadowed in priority by the Ultra Beasts, most of which I think look retarded.
Imagine looking at a mermaid and immediately thinking of trannies lmao
I didn't until I saw trannies glomming onto it and retroactively poisoning it - same with Sylveon and Milotic.
 
I will never understand why they released that one at the ass end of Gen 7 when nobody was going to use it, instead of hinting at it and getting people hyped up for it to be in Gen 8. I have literally never used mine.
There's the theory that it was part of Gen 6, as part of the Norse mythology thing they had going on. It's ratatoskr, the messenger squirrel that runs up and down the world tree, while Xerneas represents the deer grazing at the foot of it, and Yveltal represents the eagles perched at the top.
 
There's the theory that it was part of Gen 6, as part of the Norse mythology thing they had going on. It's ratatoskr, the messenger squirrel that runs up and down the world tree, while Xerneas represents the deer grazing at the foot of it, and Yveltal represents the eagles perched at the top.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit, considering that leftovers of Z were part of SM, ie Zygarde alt forms and Ash Greninja
 
There's the theory that it was part of Gen 6, as part of the Norse mythology thing they had going on. It's ratatoskr, the messenger squirrel that runs up and down the world tree, while Xerneas represents the deer grazing at the foot of it, and Yveltal represents the eagles perched at the top.
Magearna also struck me as a Gen VI mon.
 
There's the theory that it was part of Gen 6, as part of the Norse mythology thing they had going on. It's ratatoskr, the messenger squirrel that runs up and down the world tree, while Xerneas represents the deer grazing at the foot of it, and Yveltal represents the eagles perched at the top.
I doubt that since it's a cat, not a squirrel. I think it was just some random design they thought would make for a good promotional mon.
Magearna also struck me as a Gen VI mon.
It almost is since her lore is heavily tied to Kalos. I'm pretty sure she was explicitly made just to be the star of the final XY anime movie and is only a Gen 7 Pokemon by technicality since they couldn't retroactively add her to XY/ORAS so she had to first appear in SM. The main manga even had her appear in a volume release bonus chapter of the XY arc rather in the Sun/Moon arc.
 
Wouldn't surprise me one bit, considering that leftovers of Z were part of SM, ie Zygarde alt forms and Ash Greninja
Apparently there were references to a "z version" in the files of sun and moon. So yeah the zygarde cells collecting quest was definitly an unused feature of pokemon Z no matter what gamefreak says.
 
Apparently there were references to a "z version" in the files of sun and moon. So yeah the zygarde cells collecting quest was definitly an unused feature of pokemon Z no matter what gamefreak says.
I can't remember or find the details anymore, but I remember the Teraleak last year had some documents that confirmed one and for all that a Z version was planned with a bunch of stuff including Zygarde forms, but it was canceled before it ever really got past the planning stage so they could focus everyone on Sun/Moon.
 
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