Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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This comic has aged like fine wine.

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Celebrate Nite said:
There's no reason to remind me 34876345687 times that the power of friendship can overcome anything.
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There was a leaked document where GF employees discussed that they wanted their stories to explore the relationship between humans and Pokemon, but what exploration is happening exactly? Every single game has the exact same theme of "humans and Pokemon can do anything as long as they work together! :)", it's not an exploration insomuch as it is beating you over the head repeatedly with the same powah of fwendship plot most kids media has.
 
Caesar said:
Hasn't stopped them so far? One of the most egregious examples we discussed ITT, Chatot, was even in the latest Switch games. Granted, "cunt!" Gimmick free, but still there. Gardeviour is still one of the big mascots and even got a paradox form.
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That's in part due to those examples (among others) being easily ignored or written off as being fringe, very few players today remember the controversy with Chatot and the Gardevoir is often written off as being a "minor" thing.
Caesar said:
They might try and silence some people being too loud but the impact on the actual series and its perception, I doubt it'll be touched.
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They'll definitely silence people that try to take the "these scrapped fables means the folks at Game Freak support rape and zoophilia!" angle too far, that's why I brought up the DMCA strikes that Kuroodod and Diives were affected by.

As far as the perception of the IP being affected by it only time will tell, it'll largely depend on how much of a ruckus is made and how quickly the affected parties respond to it.
Caesar said:
I'm not gonna buy cat ear headphones or Razer but they're kinda cute

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The only downside is that they're exclusive to China and that makes them a bit of a pain to export, I'm currently seeing them on eBay for $199.99 before taxes.
anliteralidiot said:
This is why I've autistically kept a living dex. I just need to finish kitakami.
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I've already completed all three in SV but sadly HOME actually cares about having the actual Pokémon in-bank with catch info to match, I guess I have a lot of work to do.
 
Squawking Macaw said:
There was a leaked document where GF employees discussed that they wanted their stories to explore the relationship between humans and Pokemon, but what exploration is happening exactly? Every single game has the exact same theme of "humans and Pokemon can do anything as long as they work together! :)", it's not an exploration insomuch as it is beating you over the head repeatedly with the same powah of fwendship plot most kids media has.
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Meanwhile over in Orre...

"Yeah, uh... I know its been tortured until it's become a savage murder machine that may or may not try to kill me, but they get this sweet typeless tackle that just devastates if they're extra pissed off and I REALLY want to win at the Coliseum."

- The Majority of the NPCs in Orre

Edit: Did PETA ever react specifically to Coliseum? Given that Pokemon are literally being turned into savages for the local cock fights they'd have more ground to stand on than they did with the mainline games.
 
Squawking Macaw said:
There was a leaked document where GF employees discussed that they wanted their stories to explore the relationship between humans and Pokemon, but what exploration is happening exactly? Every single game has the exact same theme of "humans and Pokemon can do anything as long as they work together! :)", it's not an exploration insomuch as it is beating you over the head repeatedly with the same powah of fwendship plot most kids media has.
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Loads. It just is never in the main plot.

I believe I’ve said before fans by and large do not pay attention to the story.

I have legit watched people who played through the games at launch play through them again and go ‘wow, how did I miss that’

I’m betting GF knows their audience is by and large retarded and so even if a minority says they want it only a small part of that really does. I assume they have loads of ideas they want to do but have to axe as a result. To say nothing of the fact they are on a deadline.
Catgirl Tyranid said:
I'm under the assumption Gen 7 is just one giant tutorial without a story and Gen 8 was a rushed nightmare where trees popping into existence from nowhere was the driving conflict of the narrative.
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No. Gen 7 is the bad guy gets obsessed with a jellyfish. It does not end well for her or her family.

Gen 8 is another example of ‘what do you mean using the evil world ending Pokemon rashly will end the world?!’ Seriously, if he had just waited a fucking day his issue would have been solved. 8 is so retarded.
 
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6MillionCoofs said:
Gen 8 is another example of ‘what do you mean using the evil world ending Pokemon rashly will end the world?!’ Seriously, if he had just waited a fucking day his issue would have been solved. 8 is so retarded.
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I mean rapid tree growth has the propensity to end civilization as we know it. No telling when that kind of thing will just STOP.
 
Catgirl Tyranid said:
I mean rapid tree growth has the propensity to end civilization as we know it. No telling when that kind of thing will just STOP.
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When Leon says ‘hey, let me just have this one match and then I’ll handle it’ I honestly trusted him to handle it.

If anyone could have stopped the tree problem it waa the dude with the busted Charizard that could probably blow up a town on accident.
 
6MillionCoofs said:
No. Gen 7 is the bad guy gets obsessed with a jellyfish. It does not end well for her or her family.
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That's vanilla Gen 7

US/UM retcons that shit and now its all about the UItra beasts, specifically Necrozma and his super ultra Z-form dragon/psychic type that is so OP he will fuck your team up when you face him.
 
Friendly Primarina said:
Yeah, it was funny at first but even I wasn't prepared for the waves of autism that came from this. Why can't people just laugh?
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Because it hits different when a starter is implicated in this shit. Hell, Cyndaquil was my starter in GSC and the sickfuckery coming from GF internals puts a sour taste in my mouth. It's a far cry from a shitposter on /vp/ spamming the Vaporeon copypasta for the 17th time.
6MillionCoofs said:
Gen 8 is another example of ‘what do you mean using the evil world ending Pokemon rashly will end the world?!’ Seriously, if he had just waited a fucking day his issue would have been solved. 8 is so retarded.
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Gen 8 would have made more sense if it was something closer to 50 years away at max instead of 1000 years.
 
AnotherPleb said:
Because it hits different when a starter is implicated in this shit. Hell, Cyndaquil was my starter in GSC and the sickfuckery coming from GF internals puts a sour taste in my mouth. It's a far cry from a shitposter on /vp/ spamming the Vaporeon copypasta for the 17th time.

Gen 8 would have made more sense if it was something closer to 50 years away at max instead of 1000 years.
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So wait, you're telling me the bad guy in Sword & Shield was just a modern climate alarmist? Didn't we already do this in Gen 3?
 
Stumbled upon this thread regarding the leaks. 4chan's translation missed stuff. tl;dr - Typhlosion dindu nuffin, Yuu Nakatsui does not exist
Since my original thread about Typhlosion's tale has reached the English fandom, I've translated it so there won't be any need for relying on Twitter's machine translation. This is what truly happened with Typhlosion's leak and the identity of its alleged author, Yuu Nakatsui
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The 4Chan leaks were machine-translated as soon as they got their hands on the files. This hasty job resulted in some crutial info being lost in translation, as Japanese is a very hard language to read, such as the identity of the author of those infamous tales, Yuu Nakatsui
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Someone who played a role big enough in Pokémon for them to be able to take part in the writing should be easy to find on the Internet, yet the only reference to Yuu Nakatsui is this one screenshot that it's been shared ad nauseam on Twitter, but where does this come from?

Not quite what I'd expect from such a 'reliable' source, but despite my best efforts to find Yuu, I've only found a Bulbapedia article citing this very information. Why there isn't any info about this woman? It's quite simple, actually: Yuu Nakatsui does not exist
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Do try to keep in mind that a machine would have a hard time at reading kanji, so it misread the true name of the author: PokéWood and Dex entries lore writer Suguru Nakatsui, who is ALSO credited for Yuu's work. Suguru's name is mistakenly displayed as some sort of 'Birth Name'

The kanji for both names is the very same, but displaying different possible readings, hence the 'Birth Name' confusion while he's still credited as 'Suguru' in SV. Nobody fact-checked this, so the Internet made up a woman and then got angry at her for 'ruining their childhood'

Suguru's stories allegedly display very dark undertones featuring rape, pedophilia and kidnap, but this misunderstanding happened because the machine-translation, while keeping the setting mostly intact, glossed over some crutial details about the plot and characters
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I reached out to some professional JP to ES translators who got the translation fact-checked, and cleared out the details: Typhlosion didn't kidnap any child to assault them; but rather, disguised as a hermit, saved a young woman during a snowfall and brought her to his home

Japanese mithology is very vague about the age of their characters, but we can safely assume that the bride would be around 16-20, which still comes off as weird, but it's definetely not a toddler and is more in line with the age of 'adult' women displayed in folklore back then

Heck, even our own tales in the West used to display very young women falling in love with older men. Typhlosion's story isn't any weirder than the original tale of Beauty and the Beast. It's just the way folklore used to be, and Nakatsui was being faithful to the original tale

Because Typhlosion in this story is just a stand-in for the Mujina; badger-looking shapeshifter yokai that would disguise themselves as humans, similar to foxes and racoons. It's not the actual Pokémon we're talking about, but the allegory for a real world mythical creature
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This is most likely what'd inspire Game Freak later down the line to design Hisuian Typhlosion as a Ghost Type, since this tale supposedly originated in the old Sinnoh, which would still be Hisui at the time and does line up with the Meiji inspiration for Decidueye and Samurott

In the tale, the woman stayed with Typhlosion, disguised as an hermit, with the only condition of never look him while he sleeps (as the illusion'd wear out). The story does mention some sort of strange yawn preventing her from worrying about her family, but...

While it may come off as the Thyplosion actively hypnotizing and taking advantage of the young woman; people forgetting about their life after interacting with the yokai is just a recurring trope in Japanese folklore. You may find this in more media inspired by Meiji mithology

It doesn't help that they get married shortly after, but marriage in Japanese folklore is just an allegory for two souls to be linked. The woman giving birth to Typhlosion's child is just another classic trope too, the very same displayed in Slaking's tale with the Slakoth child

Giving birth to a monster and a human's child is just a way to represent that the woman may never be human and go live with her folks ever again, since her blood is now related to the spiritual world and can't go back. It's a point of no return simbolized by the birth of new life
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Not only this showcase that humans shouldn't mix up with the gods, but also demonstrates that humans and monsters aren't all that different, since the former is usually shown hurting the latter or disrespecting Nature, like the humans killing Slakoth for fun in Slaking's story

In Typhlosion's tale, this ends up with the Pokémon being murdered, and her bride and child being outcasted in their village, despite still being humans. Mother and son wear the pelt of their newfound kin, accepting they no longer belong, and run off transforming into Typhlosion

As you may have noticed, there isn't any explicit sex or disturbing imagery, as the birth happens from one day to another. It isn't any more erotic than any old tale you'd find in the Bible. The machine-translation made it look like it was about rape, and the word just got out

This actually could be linked to the Sinnoh Folk Stories displayed in Canalave City. The second story mentions a shapeshifting Pokémon that would shed off its pelt to sleep as a human. This is quite literally how Typhlosion disguises himself back in the tale
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To sum this whole fiasco up:
-The leaks won't be 100% reliable until we can properly translate them
-Typhlosion isn't any more guilty than old folklore characters around the world, and did not groom any child
-We shouldn't prioritize content farming over fact-checking
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AnotherPleb said:
Gen 8 would have made more sense if it was something closer to 50 years away at max instead of 1000 years.
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Heck, I though at first he said 10. Because that’s when all the crazies say global warming will kill us. Then they said the number again and I realised it was stupid.

A part of me think the number might have been planned as 10 and then someone said ‘we can’t make that point, remember the shitstorm with BW’ so they added three zeroes on to the end. It is far too bug a number to be arrived at naturally.
Catgirl Tyranid said:
So wait, you're telling me the bad guy in Sword & Shield was just a modern climate alarmist? Didn't we already do this in Gen 3?
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To be fair it had been like 15 years.
 
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Catgirl Tyranid said:
Heaven forbid the climate disaster narrative JUST FUCKING DIE.
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To be fair, in Gen 8 they were clearly calling it stupid and retarded.

And in Gen 3, it was not climate alarm really. It was two people messing with natural forces to try and change the world and the world going crazy as a result and being beat over the head with you shouldn’t f with nature.

Gen 8 was however decidely ‘we have fucked with nature so much that nature will kill us unless we stop…and I can’t wait a day’.
 
pikachudidnothingwrong said:
Yup, that was the lore. Where and why do you think all the fan theories and speculation came from about some kind of war leaving mostly young people alive or other stuff came from? Those theories were part of the reason why they gave explanations like that i think.

Yup, when you hit that age, your parents give you some money and send you out to try and become the very best and catch em all. I mean for much of human history ~15 was adult and were already having families, especially in times where ~35-40 was old. But even reality has nothing on the pokemon world. lol
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The Pokémon war is real
 
Catgirl Tyranid said:
So wait, you're telling me the bad guy in Sword & Shield was just a modern climate alarmist? Didn't we already do this in Gen 3?
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It was an energy crisis, not anything with climate.
6MillionCoofs said:
Heck, I though at first he said 10. Because that’s when all the crazies say global warming will kill us. Then they said tje number again and I realised it was stupid.
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1000 years was fucking retarded. I could have bought 50 years with the Dynamax phenomenon causing some rolling blackouts - while Rose would be dying, 50 years away would mean that his brother's kids would be absolutely fucked.
 
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