Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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I'm still in the Trainer Hill in Revelation Emerald, trying the same challenge for a 100th time in a row trying to shave off seconds off my record like a speedrunning troon. I managed to get down to sub 15 minutes but I need less than 12 to get the special Pokemon the romhack added and I hit a wall. Then I need to do this 3 more times even when I do succeed, with the challenge getting harder every time probably.
I'm considering "cheating" and taking out some of my other Pokemon via Trigger's PC just so I can do this quicker. The ones from my current playthru I leveled up are doing a good job, but it's obvious I will need more power or some devious strategies to get the right time, like the lv5 Smeargle with Dragon Rage trick(I think there are other Pokemon I can breed that also have this move). The only upside is that if I get a really good time, I get a free Ether or a Max Ether at the cost of a few healing items I can easily buy back, so at least I am making some progress.
More than anything, I just want to go back to proper Pokemon postgame and hunt down some Legendary Pokemon. I want to get the Kanto starters and Celebii from the Hill first and train them as I go along however, quite a dilemma.
negativlad said:
Elite Redux doesn’t go all the way to gen 9, but has them all up to gen 8. Its main gimmick is that each mon has 3-4 abilities, which vastly opens up team building. The difficulty isn’t too bad; the game hands you a frankly disgusting amount of tools to make your team exactly how you want it so you can always match your opponents’ OP shit with your own. Nuzlocke isn’t built-in like it is for Radical Red but there’s no reason why you couldn’t just do it the old fashioned way.
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Looks cool. Maybe once I'm done playing one total overhaul romhack of each major title, I will try one of those autistic "All the pokemon in one game" hacks.
 
The Ultimate Ramotith said:
That is jus that; not all of the fangames and hacks are good. They praise those that are actually high quality, but what gets pushed to the background is the many garbage games and hacks who think tha turning every Pokémon into a LV 100 Wonderguarded Spiritomb and saturating the game wit Hazbin Hotel-style 'profanity and whores' humour is the apex of quality. They do not even fail spectacularly the way Pokémon Dark Rising or at least are Crazy Enough to Work the way Pokémon Snakewood oes.
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The key difference between licensed Pokemon games and fangames is that the latter only demands your time, while the former demands your time and money. I don't expect much from a free fangame so it makes it easier to push aside the game when its shit and it makes the exceptional ones like Pokemon Clover that much more impressive and surprising when they incorporate funny moments and genuinely well thought out RPG elements and mechanics that Game Freak still hasn't figured out in their entire 28 years of making Pokemon games. The same cannot be said for a $60 licensed game because it's no longer a small passion project at that point, it's a commercial product. If I'm spending $60 on a game then I expect a certain degree of quality and thought put into that game, I'm not going to brush aside the fact that the the most profitable media franchise in the worlds current mainline titles can barely run on the home console they were specifically designed for when my dollar is involved.

The Ultimate Ramotith said:
Moreover, doing a free fangame or hack from your basement is one thing; actually managing a company requires tonnes of logistics: you need to take into account manufacturing, materials, law, finances, archival, human resources, relationships with customers, international considerations, cross-cultural considerations, LOTS of security (per wha the gigaleaks proved), and tonnes of managemen that holds and conducts together all of these different working parts.
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The developers are not the people in charge of marketing, licensing, security, or whatever the fuck, the developers are the people in charge of making the games. The games are shit, and that's their fault. People bring up this argument that Game Freak has to meet stricter deadlines to keep up with other marketing like toys and TCG and movies and the anime, yet I've never once in my life seen any internal statement from the Pokemon Company or leak that has confirmed that this is how the franchise internally operates. It's a cope argument made by retards who clearly did not grow up with Pokemon during the early 2000s, otherwise they would realize that Pokemon has marketed future generation Pokemon designs long before their respective generation even came out.

Pokemon Diamond and Pearl came out on September 28th 2006, and yet gen 4 Pokemon designs were marketed long before gen 4 came out. Red/Blue rescue team, a fucking spinoff game that came out in 2005, already had figures you could collect in the game of Munchlax, Bonsly, Mime Jr. and Lucario, along with an in-game event with Munchlax. Destiny Deoxys also featured a Munchlax with its own B plot, and that movie came out in fucking 2004. Lucario literally got his own movie that also had Bonsly, Mime Jr. and Weavile in 2005. The Manaphy movie came out 2 months before the gen 4 games, and had Manaphy, Buizel, Mantyke, Mime Jr., and Chatot.

This idea that everything hinges on the games coming out on time is the most retarded cope I have ever seen from Poketards because its flat out incorrect, the only thing TPC actually needs are finalized designs. The other merchandising departments clearly have their own agenda and they aren't afraid of incorporating future Pokemon designs into their other products. The games are shit because Game Freak did a shit job at making them, not because TPC wanted to put a toy on the shelf by the end of the 4th quarter.
 
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Let's not forget the Munchlax and playable Bonsly in Gale of Darkness, the most traditional Pokemon experience on the list. Even as far back as Gen 1, Ho-Oh was marketed all the way back in the pilot episode of the Anime. Then there is the Marill that everyone thought was Pikablu along with other early Gen 2 mon, this is not new even by 2006.
 
Celebrate Nite said:
man, pokemon rumors and leaks were so much cooler back then.
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I didn't hear the rumor IRL, but there was that "go into space to get Deoxys" one. The devs made that part of the story in ORAS.

(although that may have been based on the plot of the first Mystery Dungeon games)
 
Trollblade69 said:
Rachael Lillis has breast cancer.
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She’s gone. From her sister’s GoFundMe:

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This one really fucking hurts. Rest well, Rachael.
 
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I like to vent on Emerald Rouge a bit. The 7 gym badge is as far as i have gotten. i keep making mistakes and having my best mons dying. i did however, Catch a Zapdos that made made me feel like a king for a bit. Then i ran into another legendary pokemon. guess which one? fucking Deoxys! I knew if a captured him, i would have cleared the game easy. Well, to fucking bad. Deoxys is ENRAGED and pokeballs did not work for some reason. Ends up losing at the 7 Gym AGAIN because fuck you. Whitney, Jasmine and Clair (all women) have been the bean of my existence every run.

Been completing quests and got alot of parts. build a daycare center where i can store pokemon i have caught in my runs. i made a plan by keeping a Venonat so can pick up later for its quiver dance. have a second slot and thinking of having a special attacker so i can baton pass the quiver dance. build a tm store so i can get some useful TM now like stealth rock and volt switch.

I have a good feeling of my next run. i can make it.

(PS, it didint go well and Venomoth can no longer learn Baton pass for some reason. Volt switch is too expensive atm.)
 
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Well, I bit the bullet and went with the lv5 Dragon Rage strategy for Trainer Hill. Got a time to give me reward Pokemon in one try each and I got myself female Kanto starters and a Celebii. Decent natures too, I got a male Bulbasaur but then again I bred the shit out of it in the past, now I can get started with my new female Charmander and Squirtle.

Everything else should be smooth sailing, as far as catching every legendary and special Pokemon goes. I actually beat all the special trainers while grinding for Trainer Hill levels(every Pokemon should have the same level, it won't auto scale) so catching is all I have left before I move on to Fire Red. I will have to check if my romhack of choice works well with Trigger's PC, it's as invaluable of a tool as always.
 
We are approaching 6 months since PL: Z-A's reveal without a single droplet of news.

I wonder if they're actually sticking to that "we want to slow down" sentiment from the interview from a few months back? I know this kind of news drought also happened with PLA, but with that we at least got gameplay revealed in the first trailer and a synopsis of the game's setting, starters, and gameplay. We don't know anything about Z-A yet other than its setting in Lumiose City and sequel status to PLA. It's kind of impressive.

I won't lie, I'm glad that this is the case. It's staved off a lot of the retarded fake leaks (since absolutely nothing is believable, nobody even bothers speculating) and properly killed off discussion of a series that, frankly, doesn't deserve it in the modern day. SV ran out of stuff to talk about when Indigo Disk dropped nearly a year ago and even that was bereft of new shit to discuss by 2024. Given that the sales of the series have properly stagnated now--
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(These are total sales for both games over their entire lifetimes. 10 million of SV's sales were within the first month; I think it's safe to say that the series has shrunken to its core fanatics and children exclusively at this point despite the sales records being broken.)
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(Assuming that Statista is on the mark, the games haven't seen significant growth of any kind since December of 2022. The DLC barely did anything, and the games have only sold ~300k copies in the entire second quarter of 2024.)
--I think there might be a proper quiet period up ahead.
No fanfare from anywhere until gen 10, probably.

That'll of course be a disaster, so it will revive discussion briefly, but I think that's truly it for Pokémon's mainstream reputation. If it's been so tarnished that it can't even grow outside of its core consumerbase, it's going to take a good decade or more of nonstop hits to make its reputation somewhat respectable amongst normal people again. The series had lightning in a bottle twice (with the two Pokemanias) and kinda squandered it both times. Truly an impressive feat of incompetence.

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On less of a doomer note, what would your dream Pokémon game be? Fan games and hacks are getting somewhat creative now (only took them about 10 years), with stuff like Emerald Rogue and Tectonic actually trying new things, so I'm curious.
 
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ToroidalBoat said:
been playing that TCG game on GBC quite a bit recently

(after many years of not)

sometimes it seems like that in-game coin is weighted 🤔
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IIRC it actually is, you can manipulate it to some extent by playing/not playing flippy cards ti see what the face side the coin falls on and abuse the quick save feature to negate the card.
Anonitolia said:
We are approaching 6 months since PL: Z-A's reveal without a single droplet of news.

I wonder if they're actually sticking to that "we want to slow down" sentiment from the interview from a few months back? I know this kind of news drought also happened with PLA, but with that we at least got gameplay revealed in the first trailer and a synopsis of the game's setting, starters, and gameplay. We don't know anything about Z-A yet other than its setting in Lumiose City and sequel status to PLA. It's kind of impressive.

I won't lie, I'm glad that this is the case. It's staved off a lot of the retarded fake leaks (since absolutely nothing is believable, nobody even bothers speculating) and properly killed off discussion of a series that, frankly, doesn't deserve it in the modern day. SV ran out of stuff to talk about when Indigo Disk dropped nearly a year ago and even that was bereft of new shit to discuss by 2024. Given that the sales of the series have properly stagnated now--
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I have a feeling we'll get some sort of news at Worlds this weekend, it'd be weird if we didn't.
Anonitolia said:
On less of a doomer note, what would your dream Pokémon game be? Fan games and hacks are getting somewhat creative now (only took them about 10 years), with stuff like Emerald Rogue and Tectonic actually trying new things, so I'm curious.
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I'd love to see an officially-supported TCG simulator that can let me pick and choose one of the many Standard formats we've had over the years.
 
Anonitolia said:
On less of a doomer note, what would your dream Pokémon game be? Fan games and hacks are getting somewhat creative now (only took them about 10 years), with stuff like Emerald Rogue and Tectonic actually trying new things, so I'm curious.
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I have too many ideas. I've always wanted a Pokémon game with rubber banding so legendaries are hard to control but shitmons can be buffed if you use and care for them enough.
 
Anonitolia said:
what would your dream Pokémon game be?
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What Black/White was... a huge pokedex of NEW pokemon in a new region with no past mons piggy-backing it.

It should also go back to what made pokemon successful to begin with.... the feeling of being a kid training monsters that you personally like, going on adventures and training them the way YOU want to and giving them the moves that YOU think would be cool to give it. That feeling of "this is not just your team, but your best friends that you've made many memories with".

It should also include:
  • No HMs
  • trainer rematches
  • hard mode that is NOT tied to Nuzlocke bullshit
  • absolutely NO hidden stats (IV's)
  • at least one new type to make everything more balanced so that the other lesser used types can shine.
  • Online battles for that extra replayability
 
I'm hearing reports about scalpers being able to clean out the Pokémon Center at Worlds due to the staff (who are either volunteers or less-than-moral locals, take your pick) not caring about the purchase limits set on products.

I've also heard that a UK competitor was just arrested at the event for theft too. Here's the arrest record someone was able to get off of Honolulu PD's arrest logs.
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Level99Manchild said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3rnBYL9iqKQ
Just when you thought Niantic was getting a little better, they decide to give everybody the middle finger just for trying to grind rocket fights.

Context:
So in Pokemon Go, you get to fight Team Rocket and their bosses for a shot at Shadow Pokemon. Shadow Pokemon take more damage, but hit harder than regular Pokemon. The catch is Shadow Pokemon have a shitty move called frustation, and you can only remove it during Team Rocket events. This weekend is a Team Rocket event where you'll see more Rockets in the game, but players trying to grind this event are getting banned just for grinding.
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I will never understand why gaming companies keep on shooting themselves in the foot.
 
Metamorpho said:
I will never understand why gaming companies keep on shooting themselves in the foot.
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Niantic is pretty retarded

This one isn't their fault per se but their Monster Hunter app ended up running a MrBeast collab right as he was getting exposed for being a pedoshielder for people like Kris Tyson and "Delaware" on his team.
 
Not only is there "power creep" in the TCG, but it also seems that energy costs are cheaper with later cards. Like on the first Articuno card, "Freeze Dry" is 30, and uses 3 Water Energy. But on a more recent Articuno card, "Wild Freeze" is 70 and uses 2.
 
Anonitolia said:
On less of a doomer note, what would your dream Pokémon game be? Fan games and hacks are getting somewhat creative now (only took them about 10 years), with stuff like Emerald Rogue and Tectonic actually trying new things, so I'm curious.
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I just want remakes or remasters of the Gamecube titles, man. I know the odds are about the same to getting a Conquest sequel, but let me hope.

Celebrate Nite kinda dinged everything else that’d be a Must for a Dream Pokemon game. The formula is there, it’s just I don’t think Game Freak has anyone competent enough to follow it.
 
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