Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Squawking Macaw]

If anyone here still has a Pokemon in the Kalos or Alola GTS for some reason take it out now before it gets lost in the shutdown (at least until a fanmade server is created anyway).

I personally gave up on the 3DS's GTS after hackers discovered that they could brick your game with certain hacked Pokémon, it became too risky to even consider putting up your own Pokémon at that point.

I've been trading some missing Pokemon on the GTS and there are a lot of hacked Pokemon and trainers with glitched names. I was thinking of wonder trading a bunch of mons with event-exclusive berries as a last goodbye to the 3DS, but I'm afraid it might be too risky.

It's all about RNG. Problem isn't getting the facilities, it's that there is 5 tiers of them and the 5 star ones are nigh impossible to get from leveling up. You need to get them from other players in your plaza, but alas, as you can see they're stupid expensive to get. In the early days there would be missions to give you a fuckton of FC so this wasn't as much of an issue, but without them you can see the cracks.
Hell, one of the few 5 star buildings I have is a fucking Dye Room, which literally only serves to change the color of your clothes(which might be locked behind these buildings for some reason, I never really cared enough about the player customization to check).

The colors of the facilities are also randomized and some are rarer than others, getting a black facility is extremely rare. This is one of those online-only modes that GF put a shitton of effort for whatever reason and it really screws over players who are playing these games after the online scene dies down. Gen 5 was full of that shit, locked a bunch of content behind online-only features and we all know how well that went.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I've been trading some missing Pokemon on the GTS and there are a lot of hacked Pokemon and trainers with glitched names. I was thinking of wonder trading a bunch of mons with event-exclusive berries as a last goodbye to the 3DS, but I'm afraid it might be too risky.

I've been Wonder Trading all day and it's all fine. I only got one or two blatantly genned Pokemon and the rest are either wild Pokemon or breedjects, with some even being pretty good. You will be fine, give the games one final sendoff.

The colors of the facilities are also randomized and some are rarer than others, getting a black facility is extremely rare. This is one of those online-only modes that GF put a shitton of effort for whatever reason and it really screws over players who are playing these games after the online scene dies down. Gen 5 was full of that shit, locked a bunch of content behind online-only features and we all know how well that went.

I never did get to try out the Dream World, but to be fair it did require you to connect to your computer. Entralink was pretty cool and surreal, and catching the HA Pokemon I missed out on with the help of PkHex in the Dream Forest was a blast too. I also got the Dream Catcher app for the 3DS, which is technically unobtainable now since the store shut down. Wish they did more with it, I like the idea of actually using my console to catch Pokemon, which I guess they did iterate on with Pokemon Go but that game was kind of shit.
Gen 5 was really something. We will never get a Gen like this again.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

I've been Wonder Trading all day and it's all fine. I only got one or two blatantly genned Pokemon and the rest are either wild Pokemon or breedjects, with some even being pretty good. You will be fine, give the games one final sendoff.

In that case, I might just do some last-minute trading!

I never did get to try out the Dream World, but to be fair it did require you to connect to your computer. Entralink was pretty cool and surreal, and catching the HA Pokemon I missed out on with the help of PkHex in the Dream Forest was a blast too. I also got the Dream Catcher app for the 3DS, which is technically unobtainable now since the store shut down. Wish they did more with it, I like the idea of actually using my console to catch Pokemon, which I guess they did iterate on with Pokemon Go but that game was kind of shit.
Gen 5 was really something. We will never get a Gen like this again.

I also never got to use the Dream World, I tried making a Global Link account back in the day but kept running into issues and I never managed to get it to work. Gen 5 is my favorite gen, but I cannot get over how dependent it was on the Global Link. You couldn't even grow berries without it, and of course there are the HA mons that became unobtainable without hacking.
The dream radar's a bit grindy but the stuff you can get from it is quite neat. You could get multiple legendaries by reinstalling, you only needed to purchase it once, reinstalling was free. I wish I had figured that out sooner before the Eshop closed, I only ended up reinstalling it once.

 

[Some Badger]

No pun intended, but I'm banking on Pokemon Bank to remain among the extant online services for a at least a few more years for players to fill out the dex between gens 6 and 7, but the lack of a concrete end date for the service makes me nervous. If it wasn't for the fact that I had Bank already installed as well as both me and my brother's Gen 6 saves, I'd be really upset by how completely blindsided the announcement was to shut down online services. You'd think the infrastructure would be tied at the hip with the Switch's online services but I guess that isn't the case.

I'm making the most of this final weekend. I've been trading friend codes all evening to get mons from the Friend Safari though this site called SafariCode that I have been missing out on on account of not having a ton of friends back in high school to really utilize the feature to its full potential.

I'm holding out hope that whatever open source replacement comes to supplant the official servers is able to do so without requiring one to jailbreak their 3DS, which is something I would much rather avoid. I'm only aware of Pretendo, which has not yet gone to the proverbial market, and even then they require you to hack your console and risk bricking it in the process. The project is still in its early stages so I can only speculate how it will proceed from here once the official servers close for good.

 

[30+GameOvers]

You couldn't even grow berries without it, and of course there are the HA mons that became unobtainable without hacking.

I actually really liked that change, it meant that you had to get creative and use other items in the story mode. In competitive this was less of an issue since all you needed was just one berry to use it indefinitely, altho some of them weren't even available that Gen(you had to hack them in, same with Apriballs). You can still get the basic berries from Dream Radar so you can technically "grow" berries using that app.

No pun intended, but I'm banking on Pokemon Bank to remain among the extant online services for a at least a few more years for players to fill out the dex between gens 6 and 7, but the lack of a concrete end date for the service makes me nervous. If it wasn't for the fact that I had Bank already installed as well as both me and my brother's Gen 6 saves, I'd be really upset by how completely blindsided the announcement was to shut down online services. You'd think the infrastructure would be tied at the hip with the Switch's online services but I guess that isn't the case.

I don't even want to think about that. I have hundreds of Pokemon in the bank, it would take me buying several games and trading all of them in as an equivalent of a bank. Even then, that would make it impossible to transfer VC Gen 1-2 and Gens 5-3 Pokemon to the 3DS games. I know the service can't stay up forever, but the day the bank dies I might just give up on the mainline games entirely and go full hog with the homebrew/romhack community. Thankfully, it seems that an alternative to bank(that lets you take Pokemon backwards in Generations if you can stand a few glitches involved with the process) is already out so I won't have to look far.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

No pun intended, but I'm banking on Pokemon Bank to remain among the extant online services for a at least a few more years for players to fill out the dex between gens 6 and 7, but the lack of a concrete end date for the service makes me nervous.

We’ve got at least until they release games where you can get all the Gen 2, Gen 3, Gen 5 and Gen 7 mons in their own games on the Switch. Which will be a while. The reason they probably didn’t give an exact date is they don’t know how long that will be.

At current release schedule that could be either 2-5 years and that’s with them not taking longer inntheir release cycle, which they’ve just decided to do this year.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

I'm holding out hope that whatever open source replacement comes to supplant the official servers is able to do so without requiring one to jailbreak their 3DS, which is something I would much rather avoid. I'm only aware of Pretendo, which has not yet gone to the proverbial market, and even then they require you to hack your console and risk bricking it in the process.

Installing CFW on your 3DS is very safe nowadays. If you follow the instructions on 3DS Hacks Guide the chance to brick your console is pretty much negligible.

I don't even want to think about that. I have hundreds of Pokemon in the bank, it would take me buying several games and trading all of them in as an equivalent of a bank. Even then, that would make it impossible to transfer VC Gen 1-2 and Gens 5-3 Pokemon to the 3DS games. I know the service can't stay up forever, but the day the bank dies I might just give up on the mainline games entirely and go full hog with the homebrew/romhack community. Thankfully, it seems that an alternative to bank(that lets you take Pokemon backwards in Generations if you can stand a few glitches involved with the process) is already out so I won't have to look far.

My Bank is starting to get connection errors way too often for comfort, so I decided to take out all my Pokemon now before it stops letting me connect at all. Problem is, my Pokemon collection is huge and my Alpha Sapphire died so my remaning games have so many Pokemon that most of them don't even have free boxes. I will also dearly miss being able to move whole boxes' worth of Pokemon between games.
I have the Bank alternative installed, it's PKSM, though it 'only' has 50 boxes instead of 100. It also comes with some PKHeX functionality, you can use it to edit Pokemon and items and to inject events, but it doesn't have all the tools PKHeX does.

 

[Helghandidnothingwrong]

Oh right, I forgot to mention that the Pokémon TCG recently got a new set back in March called Temporal Forces. The Secret Illustration Rare Raging Bolt ex they're giving away for free right now is from this set.

Eh. I graduated to Slivers in MTG a long time ago and don't regret not looking back. The artwork on most of these newer Pokemon TCG sets has been trash for a long time now. Along with the selection of just plain ugly pokemon taking up the majority of each set and just like the video games, peaked again at sun/moon for me and had taken a nosedive ever since. The Pokemon company just hasn't tried to make anything as uniform and appealing to look at as the original sets and the damage Gen V has done to this series is still being felt to this day.

 

[Coelacanth]

Pokémon recently posted a “guide” on how to Shiny hunt in SV, as expected it just points out the obvious (get the Shiny Charm, take advantage of Mass Outbreaks, use Sparkling Power with Herba Mystica-infused sandwiches or the Academy Special, etc.).

This right here is why I stopped shiny hunting in anything beyond Gen 5. I hate how easy it is to get shinies now - isn't the point of them meant to be that they're rare and finding one is supposed to be an extremely special event you should cherish when you find one?

On a happier note I have been playing Pokemon Clover and I'm having a blast! While I'm not happy with the halved shiny odds I don't think I've ever had so much fun losing battles in a game.

Spoiler: Team So Far...

 

[6MillionCoofs]

This right here is why I stopped shiny hunting in anything beyond Gen 5. I hate how easy it is to get shinies now - isn't the point of them meant to be that they're rare and finding one is supposed to be an extremely special event you should cherish when you find one?

Sure but when you know people now dig into the numbers and go through the effort so it is no longer random or as much random is removed as posdible you might as well just make it easier. People want the cool different colours and are going to hunt for hours to get them might as well make it easier for them.

Shiny Hunting reactions are a big thing after all.

Since Gen 8 GF have usually added in somethong extra to the shine, be it differemt sparkles, sizes or titles. So now people can get the different colours if they want without wasting their life and the hardcore people go for the extra stuff. Everyone wins.

Long gone are the days of old when literally no one knew why or how they worked.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

Sure but when you know people now dig into the numbers and go through the effort so it is no longer random or as much random is removed as posdible you might as well just make it easier. People want the cool different colours and are going to hunt for hours to get them might as well make it easier for them.

This kind of thinking is the reason why the competitive community is so loud and obnoxious nowadays. Should've never made things easier for the spergs.

 

[Archeops]

My Bank is starting to get connection errors way too often for comfort, so I decided to take out all my Pokemon now before it stops letting me connect at all.

It's probably has something to do with people accessing Bank en masse (to lifeboat any important Pokémon to HOME), it's similar to how Bank and HOME had connection issues when they first dropped and how the latter throttles connections whenever a new main line game is released.

Eh. I graduated to Slivers in MTG a long time ago and don't regret not looking back. The artwork on most of these newer Pokemon TCG sets has been trash for a long time now. Along with the selection of just plain ugly pokemon taking up the majority of each set and just like the video games, peaked again at sun/moon for me and had taken a nosedive ever since. The Pokemon company just hasn't tried to make anything as uniform and appealing to look at as the original sets and the damage Gen V has done to this series is still being felt to this day.

I’m honestly fine with how they’re doing the TCG right now but I’m more of a player than a collector, I still remember when certain cards reached the high double-digits due to playability (or even the triple-digits, that Shiny SR Rayquaza from Dragons Exalted still haunts me as a former Ray-Eels player).

With the way it is right now, the deck that won this year’s EUIC in the Masters TCG division is only $80-$100 USD with other decks running around that same price or less.

This right here is why I stopped shiny hunting in anything beyond Gen 5. I hate how easy it is to get shinies now - isn't the point of them meant to be that they're rare and finding one is supposed to be an extremely special event you should cherish when you find one?

As @6MillionCoofs said this was partially done due to people learning how to RNG manipulate (which is still done AFAIK, I know there are ways to muck about with PLA’s RNG to get the right spawns from a Mass Outbreak). Other reasons include Shiny Pokémon having more of a presence as far as branding’s concerned, people complaining about how hard they are to get despite making them easier to get, and and hacked Pokémon (Shiny or otherwise) being present in sanctioned tournaments. At least there are still other ways to sperg about Pokémon like Marks and size differences.

Oh, and be glad Shiny Pokémon are still a thing in the game since SV removed PokéRus (the only thing rarer than a Shiny Pokémon) completely.

 

[30+GameOvers]

You know, I just remembered that I always wanted to do a Wonder Trade Nuzlocke. The rules are similar, but anytime I would capture a route Pokemon I would immediately Wonder Trade it for a truly randomized playthru(species clause would let me capture another Pokemon if I get a duplicate so that my entire team isn't composed of Pikipeks or Yoongus).
The games are far too long to properly do in one and a half days, especially Gen 7 which is infamous for it's long cutscenes.
Oh well, nothing you can do now. I hope that if the fans get the servers up and running there is at least a bot that generates random Pokemon so that I can somewhat replicate the organic experience someday.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

This kind of thinking is the reason why the competitive community is so loud and obnoxious nowadays. Should've never made things easier for the spergs.

While that’s true, competative people were always loud and obnoxious. At least now it’s because they are bitching that they can be mopped by casuals who can now spend 5 mins doing what took them days previously (oh who am I kidfing, they cheated and pretended they didn’t).

 

[Archeops]

While that’s true, competative people were always loud and obnoxious. At least now it’s because they are bitching that they can be mopped by casuals who can now spend 5 mins doing what took them days previously (oh who am I kidding, they cheated and pretended they didn’t).

Whenever I try to make Pokémon for an International Challenge (the last one I competed in being one from early SV) I usually go as legit as possible and use Bottle Caps, Mints, EXP Candies, and Vitamins (and now Tera Shards to get an optimal Tera Type) to make said Pokémon competition-viable.

But only do this for regular Pokémon for the most part, Legendaries are a pain in the ass to do.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

The games are far too long to properly do in one and a half days, especially Gen 7 which is infamous for it's long cutscenes.

Yeah. Running it takes you 6-10 hours and that’s if you know what you are doing. A WT on top of that…no way. Might be doable. Bit you’d really miss out onthe fun of just a leisurely playthrough. Which is the point of S/M. The games are made worse by rushing them.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Oh, and be glad Shiny Pokémon are still a thing in the game since SV removed PokéRus (the only thing rarer than a Shiny Pokémon) completely.

lol, I haven't seen anyone even mention this
GF can suck a dick, I am not giving them a single cent. Shame, as I was looking at my collection in S/M(11 full boxes of Wonder Trading alone just from Christmas + now, and that's with unviable or useless Pokemon traded back until I got something better), I was tempted to get Home/Switch games just to give these Pokemon some use when the servers shut down. Not a chance, if I will do that I will simply emulate and transfer(or gen if that's not an option) my existing Pokemon and that will be that. I've gone cold turkey on supporting COD, Pokemon and other franchises around the same time, I have no regrets regarding ending my consooming.
It is bullshit that they just stopped transferring all Pokemon every Gen. I got so many Pikipeks/Toucannons, and despite only coming out a generation earlier they were unobtainable in Gen 8 at all until one the latest S/V updates all the way in Gen 9. Even then, with the dexcut any bred moves on it don't matter and neither the natures for that matter since you got mints now. There is zero incentive to take my hard earned Gen 7 Pokemon to move them over anymore.
On the other hand, it's quite opposite with Gen 6 to 7 Pokemon transfer via Bank since Gen 6 has a load of HA Pokemon that are simply not available in Gen 7, so if one has both games they can easily add a whole load of rare and powerful Pokemon to their S/M titles. Nothing like this exists anymore, you just wait for the DLC now to "enable" you to catch some older Pokemon out of pity. This is why I have no problem with cheaters despite being a purist myself, Gamefreak practically invites them these days since there is no incentive to do things "the right way".

 

[6MillionCoofs]

lol, I haven't seen anyone even mention this

Honestly think it’s because next to no one cares.

Now that exp candies are a thing and stat boosters can be freely bought are a thing making leveling trivial what is even the point of having higher than full odds shiny luck to get something to speed up leveling and evs?

Gamefreak practically invites them these days since there is no incentive to do things "the right way".

I’d argue a part of all this is GF going ‘we gave all the incentives, they still cheated. F it. Remove everything and make it beyond easy so the cheating they do no longer matters’

Problem is that hits all the purists and the people that did not really care but might have had the one special Pokemon they liked.

Which honestly would have been fine if trading to newer Gens wasn’t always one way. But no, you can’t get your mons back.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Which honestly would have been fine if trading to newer Gens wasn’t always one way. But no, you can’t get your mons back.

Funny thing, the homebrew version of Pokemon Bank DOES let you trade back Pokemon, even ones that weren't in those games, and the results are interesting. If the Pokemon doesn't have any moves or abilities it wouldn't normally have, bringing it back to a former generation usually isn't an issue, hell even something like a Alolan Golem just turns into a weird normal Golem in Gen 6 for example.
I know why they don't let you do this with Bank/Home but I think this is still bullshit, you should at least be able to trade back Pokemon that were in those previous gens, and place the same checker as they did back in Gen 2 with the Time Capsule so that you wouldn't accidentally bring over Gen 2 moves or Pokemon to RBY.
Guys, we solved this problem in 1999. What's going on?
Edit: Here is some good videos on this

I think you're underestimating how bad the borderline stealth removal of Pokerus is. Sure, even if it's trivial to EV train your Pokemon(as it was in Gen 6 for example, and yet they still kept it), that means they're willing to remove not just moves and Pokemon but various mechanics as well. Everything is on the table now, and I don't like it.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Everything is on the table now, and I don't like it.

Everything was always on the table. GF has always binned stuff when they think of something better, regardless if whether it is or not.

@Helghandidnothingwrong
Why would they give you doible the stuff for a game that is going for the standard price nowadays in most places.

If the current gen games were released back in the 90s they’d be 30-40 if Gen 1 was released today. It would be 70 it seems.

Which surprises me. Because where I am the prices have not changed for Pokemon games since the 90s. Everything goes for 40 and under.