Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[6MillionCoofs]

ORAS was somewhat more acceptable since the only major element that was missing was The Battle Frontier,

And people liking the Battle Frontier is only a recent thing and done fpr memes mostly. It’s not like it was a core part of the game or stuff that people liked as was the case with Platinums additions.

here we are missing huge chunks of content.
I am so glad I kept all my copies of the games and have several consoles so that I can trade any Pokemon at any time between Gens 3-7. I pity the newer fans who will have to make do without certain Pokemon or have to cheat them in,

In fairness, the Pokemon that people care about that are actually missing are mythicals and they’ve finally started adding those in easy to get ways. (Still waiting for it to be revealed that the SV event mythical goes bye bye when they take down the servers in a decade)

 

[Aljam]

Game freak continues to let me down as I'm so far removed from being the target demographic and can't even name an mons pass gen 6. Mega evolution was the best addition to the games. Z moves are fucking retarted. Ultra sun and ultra moon was the laziest mid gen addition ever. Legends arceus had some promise but they fucking blew it with not having more trainer encounters.

I can only enjoy Rom hacks and fan projects these days.

Pokemon clover is the most fun I've had with Pokemon in years. Kanye is the hardest gym leader I've ever faced in a Pokemon game and the difficulty curve in general in that game has me wanting to git gud.

I wish Nintendo would fucking stop trying to stifle fan projects and game freak would take ideas from the fan game community. It enrages me so God damn much how lazy they are and how unprepared they were when they made the switch to 3d.

Genius seniority should just make the fucking games. XD gale of darkness will always be my Pokemon goat

 

[30+GameOvers]

And people liking the Battle Frontier is only a recent thing and done fpr memes mostly

Battle Frontier was a pretty big deal, so much so that it had to be added into HGSS despite some staff complaining about it. Remember, this was basically the bulk of the new content added in third versions, once they stopped adding in Battle Frontier we stopped getting updated releases and we got "Ultra Changes" and DLC for the same price.
Battle Frontier is symbolic with Gamefreak's laziness, ORAS was the turning point for many players since they were actively not just making inferior titles but were unable to properly even remaster an older one. Then we got BDSP which was even worse.
Removal of Battle Frontier meant that GF was not focused on the core of the games or their fans anymore, they were chasing casual gamers and "kids who are too busy playing on their phones to care".
That aside, Battle Frontier in Gens 3/4 is easily one of the better parts of the entire franchise, just on replayability alone. If you couldn't hack it in any of the facilities there, well, I guess you were just a casual player. What separates men and boys is at least one 50 win ribbon, used without resorting to meta/smogon sets. If you got all the medals in the Battle Frontier? Now you're part of the elite. Countless hours that put you, and your team, to the test, meanwhile modern Pokemon doesn't even have a battle tower anymore, just shitty raids. All the grinding without any of the rewards or satisfaction.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

ORAS was the turning point for many players since they were actively not just making inferior titles but were unable to properly even remaster an older one.

Well yeah. Had nothing to do with a lack of a Battle Frontier. That had everything to do with all the changes and quality of life actively screwing with the design of the original game. And people noticed. To this day I’m surprised HGSS actually came out as it did considering.

Removal of Battle Frontier meant that GF was not focused on the core of the games or their fans anymore, they were chasing casual gamers and "kids who are too busy playing on their phones to care"

GF was always focused on the casual market. If anything the removal of stuff showed that they realised their core market was not big enough for them to waste the effort.

That aside, Battle Frontier in Gens 3/4 is easily one of the better parts of the entire franchise, just on replayability alone. If you couldn't hack it in any of the facilities there, well, I guess you were just a casual player.

Or you only had one save file and opps turns out your one of a kind mons had bad stats and there was no way to fix them. And you did not want to start over again.

Countless hours that put you, and your team, to the test, meanwhile modern Pokemon doesn't even have a battle tower anymore, just shitty raids. All the grinding without any of the rewards or satisfaction.

Still surprised that the second DLC in SV did not have one of those. It was like the only time in universe having one made sense.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Game freak took an interesting topic about the morality of cockfighting and turned it into a binary discussion in which the side arguing in favor of freeing Pokemon was represented by comically evil villains who don't actually believe in their side of the argument. I think people would have had less of a problem with gen 5 trying to pull people into its story if it had a story worth telling.

You do know that was the point, right? You were NEVER meant to think Team Plasma has a point because sometimes evil faggots use morality as a weapon against you. Team Plasma DOESN'T have a point. They NEVER had a point. They were never meant to. The only person who believed their garbage was N and he was literally brainwashed. That's why all throughout Pokemon Black and White your MC and friends never once buy into Team Plasma's BS, because they know it's BS. Ghetsis' giving his big speech and Team Plasma beating a Munna immediately after wasn't a coincidence. It was intentional to let you know these guys are full of shit.

Doesn't help that they made it stupidly overcomplicated to migrate from older games. You also have to complete at least 1 game per generation and Gen 5 seems to be the bottleneck for my legitimate pokemon.

The reason the original Pokemon zeitgeist ended was because the inability to trade Pokemon from Gen 2 to Gen 3 completely broke kids out of the trance. The popularity was already fading but that was the straw that broke the camels back. Gen 3 sucks. That's why Pokemon fell in popularity, and it never recovered. It lost its original audience because of this and those were the people who spent the most money on it. It's ironic considering Ruby and Sapphire sold well, but it probably did more damage to the brand than arguably Scarlet and Violet ever could.

Why they would ever choose to replicate this issue and bottleneck again is beyond me.

On a side note, I personally don't like Gen 3 or it's Pokemon. I've done draft leagues with limited generations before with friends in weird formats where we're forced to use weaker Pokemon. Gen 3 mons are just noticeably overall weaker than any others outside of some usual suspects. Whereas for other generations we've found plenty of weaker Pokemon that turned out to be actual genuine problems and threats. There virtually none of those in Gen 3.

Gamefreak's laziness, ORAS was the turning point for many players since they were actively not just making inferior titles but were unable to properly even remaster an older one. Then we got BDSP which was even worse.
Removal of Battle Frontier meant that GF was not focused on the core of the games or their fans anymore, they were chasing casual gamers and "kids who are too busy playing on their phones to care".

I'm convinced they absolutely hate their older audience and always have after the mass exodus of devs in B&W, yet can't ignore they exist.

That being said, I don't get how anyone plays competitive outside of Showdown anymore.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

@Party Hat Wurmple

It gets especially strange why they’d replicate the Gen 3 issue when fixing that was the entire reason for remakes in the first place.

Programming in complicated ways for you to keep transfering up afterwards in IV and 5 was done so Gen 3 did not happen again.

It’s why I dislike Bank. I get it, no second slot so there has to ve an app to transfer V-VI because you can’t load into one game while accessing the other but I would honestly have preferred if they made a pgysical Pokemon Box type game that you could buy to do the transfering. Just for the eventual date when bank goes down.

 

[30+GameOvers]

GF was always focused on the casual market. If anything the removal of stuff showed that they realised their core market was not big enough for them to waste the effort.

Actually, during Gens 3-5 you could tell they were on top of their game as far as gameplay mechanics and competitive were concerned. They made sure to include interesting Pokemon, great moves that complement said Pokemon, add mechanics that change everything completely and in general seemed like they were in-tune with the more hardcore side of the fandom. Even when they removed Battle Frontier in Gen 5, they at least added PWT, one of their better additions to date and some great fanservice, not to mention flipping Double Battles on their head by introducing Triple and Rotation battles. Nothing like that has happened since and they even mocked the fans expecting PWT to come back in one of SwSh DLCs.
I disagree they were always pandering to casuals: These were games for kids, but it was clear they were catering to the more hardcore side of the fandom as well, especially in Gens 4 and 5 since they knew a lot of the kids who played their older titles were now adults and were ready for something harder than the singleplayer in the competitive side of things.

Gen 6 is where the rot really started. There were far less Pokemon introduced from that point on, much less moves, nothing other than your run of the mill Battle Tower clone, no new changes other than Fairies and Megas. The last one would continue to be a theme here, rather than actually trying to balance the metagame anymore they just add ridiculously powerful gimmicks and make sure that the new Pokemon overshadow the ones added in the previous gens. Gen 8 broke the camel's back and they couldn't even be bothered to test everything accordingly, leaving us with dexit and moveset cut. It's clear that now they are pandering to the casuals, well that and Masuda openly stating they were chasing the mobile phone market during Gen 6.


It didn't used to be this way, there was a time when anyone could play Pokemon and get a worthwhile experience, not just the casual audience and kantosoys that get pandered to more than anyone else. There was a whole lot of care and love put into these games that you might not have seen, but I sure have. It's only starting with Gen 6 that they changed course like this, and it has less to do with them "realizing their core market was not big enough for them to waste the effort", more like they just stopped caring, period. It had to hurt knowing that no matter what, people will buy your games for the name alone, so why bother putting in any effort? Last time Masuda did, people cried that they replaced Pikachu with an ice cream cone. Give the menchildren their yellow rodent and make some shitty tech demo, it will sell anyways. The franchise has followed this bottom of the barrel formula ever since, you can trace it back to how fans reacted to Masuda's "magnum opus" during Generation 5(and oh boy were they loud enough for him to hear. He made sure to Kanto pander ever since)

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Last time Masuda did, people cried that they replaced Pikachu with an ice cream cone.

So much this

Black2/White2 was a dissapointment on that front. Having a sequel game is good, but the past gen mons should have been what the 1st B/W were (new pokemons front and center, older ones as postgame content).

There weren't even anything wrong with Gen5's mons. Idk what it is about the Ice Creame cone that triggers a lot of people, but inanimate objects have been used for Pokemon since Gen1, You can't even call it lazy because it doesn't get any lazier than Voltorb/Electrode, which is just a circle with a face.

Alomomola is the only one i take issue with because it just screams "luvdisc evolution"

 

[30+GameOvers]

There weren't even anything wrong with Gen5's mons. Idk what it is about the Ice Creame cone that triggers a lot of people, but inanimate objects have been used for Pokemon since Gen1, You can't even call it lazy because it doesn't get any lazier than Voltorb/Electrode, which is just a circle with a face.

Just like trannies, genwunners are the most vocal minority that somehow Gamefreak thinks represent the entirety of the fandom. You will not get any worthwhile answer out of them, they just want their Pikachu and their Charizard and they couldn't care less about anything else.

I didn't really play Gen 5 meta in it's heyday, but I very much like the designs of the new mons, and how they tried to get you to actually use them. Well, Pokemon fanbase doesn't like it when things get too "new" and unfamiliar, GF found that out the hard way.
Ice Cream is one of my favorite Pokemon unironically, so that one always gives me a chuckle. These same people who hate it seem to be fine with Dexit, however, so that tells you everything you need to know about them.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

You can't even call it lazy because it doesn't get any lazier than Voltorb/Electrode, which is just a circle with a face.

Minor point of contention, Voltorb / Electrode are genius permutations of the traditional mimic. They're not a pokeball, they're an item capsule. The same you find all over the game, and the idea they exist solely to do either static sonicboom damage or explode on you with a troll move that halves your defense before calculating damage coupled with their ludicrously high speed is hilarious.

The only reason they're fast is because they're a trap that is meant to almost certainly guarantee a 25% chance of blowing you up before you can run away or kill them. Top tier, underrated Pokemon design that had a lot of thought put into their function as an RPG mimic.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Just like trannies, genwunners are the most vocal minority that somehow Gamefreak thinks represent the entirety of the fandom.

I mean, when them complaing led to Gen 5 underselling they are not a minority. Otherwise the majority of players would have offset them. Or they are a minority in which case Pokemon has a bigger problem. Caused by no one but themselves.

Fact is despite Pokemon being 25 years removed from Gen 1, Gen 1 is what people know about Pokemon. At a stretch you might get someone that knows Gen 2. Anything after that? Not a chance.

Pokemon has not done a very goid job of making Gen 2 onwards stick in the same way for the public, despite most young people that would be picking up Pokemon having never played it or even been born then or even have watched that portion of the anime.

 

[Archeops]

With the official 3DS/Wii U servers dying in a matter of hours I'm kind of shocked/disappointed with the fandom for not making their own 3DS servers like they did for the DS, I like how you can fuck around with the DNS settings and get free event Pokémon off of Mystery Gift.

While I was reading this, I remembered that the guy who makes PKHeX was making twitter posts showing how people in the tournaments were using PKHeX to cheat, even though he made the thing. that lets them cheat. He's still posting about how people are still cheating at competitive pokemon

I think Kaphotics does these kinds of callouts because they serve as a warning of sorts to the wider VGC community, if people are going to use poorly-hacked Pokémon with incorrect internal flags and whatnot then GF/TPCi could get smart and those internal flags to the next generation's (or, as we saw with Worlds 2023, the next tournament's) hack checks.

In other words, he's going "make your hacks as perfect as possible or your sloppiness/carelessness will be added to newer hack checks" to the VGC community and said community is chimping out like a pack gay niggers because HOW DARE YOU IMPLY WE USED HACKED DATA IN A TOURNAMENT.

...but I guess this time was different because the next person he covered related to it said something that was "offensive".

The tweet was deleted ages ago but it was because a Spanish VGC competitor netted a permaban from Play! Pokémon-sanctioned events over a joke (he says it's a Spanish meme) saying that he'd bomb TPCi's headquarters if he was banned from any future Pokémon events.

It kind of reminds me of this incident that occurred at the 2012 UK National Championship that involved a team of Spanish VGC competitors getting escorted out of the hotel for leaving shit in the hallway and getting DQ'd from the event and banned from future Pokémon tournaments.

That being said, I don't get how anyone plays competitive outside of Showdown anymore.

One of things I noticed is that the amount of cheating (in terms of blatant hacks, not the more "subtle" ones that get past TPCi's hack checks) when TPCi retired the old scholarship prizes with cash prizes.

But that's my personal opinion, I can't remember if the whole Dream Ball Aegislash/Beast Ball Porygon2 fiascos (I also remember one involving a Pokémon in a Lure Ball but I've forgotten which Pokémon was involved) happened before the scholarship/cash prize swap occurred.

Genius seniority should just make the fucking games. XD gale of darkness will always be my Pokemon goat

>Genius Sonority
>Taking a shot at developing a main line game

And no, it's not because of Colosseum and XD being classified as spin-offs.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I assume we’ll get Private Servers for the 3DS now that they are going offline.

 

[30+GameOvers]

With the official 3DS/Wii U servers dying in a matter of hours

You sure about that, buddy? Google is giving April 8th, not 4th.
Still, I do wish I wonder traded a bit more. Online Battles and GTS are dead, but you can always get something nice from randoms. I already said I gave away a whole bunch of VC Red Pokemon on Christmas, was hoping to do the Missingno glitch and start giving away LV100 Mewtwos, but alas it's not meant to be.
Even if the servers are restored, it just won't be the same. GTS for Gen 4 and 5 games are a shadow of their former selves(even if technically functional if you know how to hook them up)

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Even if the servers are restored, it just won't be the same. GTS for Gen 4 and 5 games are a shadow of their former selves(even if technically functional if you know how to hook them up)

GTS honestly was always not that great honestly because there was no checks against the illegal Trades being offered. And it just got worse when everyone started playing the latest game. Cause then there was no playerbase to even pretend like things were above board.

 

[30+GameOvers]

GTS honestly was always not that great honestly because there was no checks against the illegal Trades being offered. And it just got worse when everyone started playing the latest game. Cause then there was no playerbase to even pretend like things were above board.

Thing is that it worked. In Gen 6, there are Pokemon that will crash your game put in there by hackers, and Gen 7 makes it worse since you don't even need to trade them, all you have to do is scroll over them and the console will crash. That was the beginning of the end, I think my last GTS Trade was before this exploit for SM was found(which in my case would be around 2021)

 

[Computer Guardian]

>Genius Sonority
>Taking a shot at developing a main line game

And no, it's not because of Colosseum and XD being classified as spin-offs.

It also doesn't help that they're making a new entry in thier own RPG series after all these years

Outside of the spinoffs they already have and probably would make, they'll probably never touch the main series Pokemon formula ever again.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Outside of the spinoffs they already have and probably would make, they'll probably never touch the main series Pokemon formula ever again.

Most of the people from GS at the time moved over to work on the main games though.

A company is just a name. And just because the company made good stuff does not mean they will continue to if all the old devs move on.

Same reason core Pokemon is having issues now.

 

[Freelance Police]

You do know that was the point, right? You were NEVER meant to think Team Plasma has a point because sometimes evil faggots use morality as a weapon against you. Team Plasma DOESN'T have a point. They NEVER had a point. They were never meant to. The only person who believed their garbage was N and he was literally brainwashed. That's why all throughout Pokemon Black and White your MC and friends never once buy into Team Plasma's BS, because they know it's BS. Ghetsis' giving his big speech and Team Plasma beating a Munna immediately after wasn't a coincidence. It was intentional to let you know these guys are full of shit.

No shit? I couldn't tell by the ominous piano that played every time Ghetsis was on screen that Team Plasma was full of shit. It still doesn't make for a compelling story because of how obvious it is that Team Plasma has ulterior motives. If they really wanted to communicate the idea that people will weaponize morality to achieve their own ends then they should have done it by convincingly trying to trick the player into believing their side of the moral argument and then pulling the rug out from beneath them, at least then the player would feel more involved since the whole "gotcha" moment is taking place within the players head. The whole "twist" of Ghetsis being Dennis McEvil all along is only a twist to N, we've known this retard was evil from the second he showed up on screen. Yeah they're supposed to be giant hypocrites, but it's so obvious and it's presented so early on that the story never really goes anywhere with it. Nothing they do ever comes off as a surprise because we already know they're the bad guys. The game just says they're evil and then there's nothing beyond that, it's a point that goes nowhere.

Saying Team Plasma never had a point is also just completely wrong. Just because Dennis McEvil and his band of merry men exploited a moral argument doesn't mean the moral argument has no credence. The whole point of N is that he believes in the moral argument Team Plasma is supposedly fighting for and practices those arguments in his approach to handling and coexisting with the Pokemon (which still fails because he still engages in the same Pokemon cockfighting that every other trainer does). The game fucks this up further by continuously trying to hammer in the fact that Team Plasma is full of shit and that N is also wrong because he keeps coming across counterarguments to his point through interactions with our Pokemon, while simultaneously never challenging the status quo. It's a completely completely one-sided argument and it's presented in a way to make people believe Team Plasma never had a point to begin with and that N is just a gullible retard because he couldn't hear the evil piano that gave it all away. It presents a moral dilemma and treats it as if there are only two binary answers, and the resolution to all of this is Alder saying "there are two sides to every argument" and walking away like dumbass, when the game has never once attempted to actually present the other sides argument in good faith.

And before you say it, yeah I know it's a kids game, but that begs the question as to why Game Freak even chose this kind of subject for their story in the first place. If they really wanted something a child could understand they should have picked a simpler topic instead of squandering a premise with a lot of potential but needed a lot of nuance and care in it's presentations and arguments to tell effectively. It's a shit story with shitty villains and it makes an even shittier point at the end.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

>Genius Sonority
>Taking a shot at developing a main line game

And no, it's not because of Colosseum and XD being classified as spin-offs.

Then tell me, then.