Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Anonitolia]

in more recent (and totally unrelated) news: some of the HOME sprites got updated to look worse
the replies here are saying that it's probably to match the SV DLC better, but mon like Arbok and Nuzleaf are a tragedy man
These things already looked bad enough when tracing over the same terrible idles we've seen in every game for about 10 years now, why would you ever redo them to match the far more boring out-of-battle idles introduced in SV?


here's the original tweet if you want to see the discourse

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I am annoyed that Hyper Trained note on Mew does not get replaced after the Raid when it should get it’s stats buffed to be best naturally.

Also, I hope GF realise how shit a hard raid is with completely random people and never do it again.

 

[whatever I feel like]

I have to admit, the concept of sort of "cryptid" Pokémon is kind of neat on paper. But since Pokémon can basically come in any shape or form, it'd be hard to make a cryptid one feel out of place aside from going totally alien like the Ultra Beasts, and even some of them just felt like Pokémon. Also catching the "cryptid" and then taking selfies with it and taking it on picnics would ruin its atmosphere.

I mean, they've had cryptids since gen 1- Mew was one.

Edit: I am playing Scarlet right now and I like it.

 

[Lone Star]

I mean, they've had cryptids since gen 1- Mew was one.

Edit: I am playing Scarlet right now and I like it.

Eh, I mean yeah, but I meant morel like how Bloodmoon Ursaluna is handled about some sort of freaky Pokémon that, even by their standards, is like a monster and only appears at night and blah blah blah. More Bigfoot and Nessie and less mythical being older than all other Pokémon.

 

[Archeops]

it's hardly even been 4 days (when I wrote it) and Serebii is already out of things to cover (after he was already scrambling for anything major on day 3); your $35 at work ladies and gentlemen

To be fair to Joe the main story for The Teal Mask can easily be done in 4 hours or s.o, after that it'd take a few days of testing (going through enough rounds of Ogre Oustin' to check the general prize pool, taking part in Tera raids, date jumping to see what items regenerate, etc.). After that point you're kind of stuck with data-mining and I don't think Joe would do that after the legal butt-raping Nintendo and TPCi more than likely brought onto him after he reporting on Pokemon Black & White with pirated copies.

Now, when you actually add on data-mining the DLC you get some interesting stuff...

Spoiler

Remember how I mentioned that one of the new Pokémon being introduced in the second-half of the DLC would be based off of Momotaro? Well apparently someone noticed that there's a fourth figure that pops up in the "true" tale of Ogerpon and The Loyal Three with the upper half cropped out. Skeptics assumed that it was part of the Okidogi illustration (specifically his fist) but a lot of people were quick to point out that it the illustrations of The Loyal Three don't load at the same time and same is true for the fourth illustration.

Another person did some digging through the games files and was able to find the fourth illustration and isolate it. Here's what it looks like uncropped...

People have also noticed that a plush found in Peachy's (the main shop in Mossui Town) has a similar shape to the figure here (and the toxic chains on The Loyal Three). It's also a purplish-pink color which makes it look a bit like a peach.

People have also noticed that the design is eerily similar to Cosmog and that it may have the Ability to change forms while I've noticed that it's similar to the Glimmora line (the face follows the whole "two-featureless-eyes-in-a-black-void" design the line has and a possible Poison-type if its association with The Loyal Three is any indication). I also wouldn't be surprised if it's associated with the Area Zero and Terastallization phenomena like the Glimmora line and Terapagos are.

Also, a well-known dataminer also found text entries for battles and some of them are interesting.

It's basically agreed on that "kodaikame" has something to do with Terapagos while "dokutaro" is related to the Momotaro-themed Legendary that's going to be introduced in Part 2. The real interesting bit is the the entries relating to zombies, it's mentioned in The Teal Mask that the Crystal Pool on top of Oni Mountain has the ability to let people meet those who have passed on if they gaze into its waters and then there's the whole can of worms that are the Professor AIs present in the base game.

 

[Anonitolia]

the face follows the whole "two-featureless-eyes-in-a-black-void" design the line has

i'm sorry to break it to you but this is very far from a Glimmora thing

(this is taking examples only from the first five gens and while being extremely strict about interpretation; any mon with a single feature in the void was excluded, leaving out notable examples like Snorunt, Shellder, Burmy (cloaked), Gastly)
I don't think that specifically hints at any connection to Glimmora. The Poison bit is a much stronger case that I agree with.

Spoiler: getting into spoilery territory

I'd be concerned about this sad excuse for a new legend if I hadn't given up on Pokémon design after gen 9 leaked. Part of me still holds out hope but at this point I'm just willing to accept that whatever the fuck is a Pokémon by now.

A Cosmog reskin with even less to its design and nothing to prompt intrigue other than a connection to the worst Legendary trio since Calyrex and its steeds? Sure, whatever, I don't care. That aforementioned trio which is literally just "a fursuit and its weird brothers with a horrible accessory"? Sure. Don't care.

If Pokémon does actual fucking zombies? Sure, whatever, I really can't bring myself to care beyond my lengthy rants. I'm really starting to feel the fatigue that comes after being angry/disappointed so consistently for this long and at this point I'm honestly considering just ignoring that gen 8+ ever happened outside of extremely selective cases. Genwunners may be retarded in most respects, but in this one I can at least understand their point of view.

I'm still mad though lol. I may be getting fatigued, but I'm not fatigued enough to completely tune out just yet. And if Pokémon seriously does pull a "Terapagos makes zombies" or something like that I'm going to be tuned-in enough to laugh at it. At least for a little bit.

mildly related: was browsing some old forums yesterday and it was so weird seeing people being harshly critical towards gens 4-5
not even just genwunners or anything; I saw people proclaiming their love for Johto or Hoenn before going on to trash what came after because it's "too overdesigned"
I can't say I disagree with those sentiments (in some respects) but it's just really funny considering how fucking low the bar has gotten
Would take something like Dusknoir over 99% of Galar or Paldea's dexes (and probably a good 60% of Alola's) any day

 

[Lurker]

fuckin forum rollback reeeeee

so i'm playing the teal mask dlc and it's good to see that the game still hitches like a motherfucker. gr8 fixes gaiz.

i autistically noticed something pretty subtle, though, in that they fixed the koraidon riding animation. in one of the run cycles your character would wobble like fucking crazy if koraidon ran, which looked awkward as fuck, but it looks like they fixed that.

i don't have anything of actual value to say here, but uh... poltchageist is fucking kawaii as fuck and i didn't even know until just now that there are actual differences between the artisan and counterfeit forms, unlike with sinistea where the only difference is that the "genuine" form has a sticker on the bottom of it, which is very difficult to see.

oh also bloodmoon ursaluna is still cool and i want to see more shit like it. also i know a lot of people hated raging bolt (paradox raikou), but fuck them, i think it looks cool. i like that its neck ruff looks like a stormcloud.


edit: lol I'm retarded, there's no physical difference between the artisan and counterfeit poltchageist except the stupid fucking stamp at the bottom THAT YOU STILL CAN'T SEE

 

[Lurker]

fuck you i'm bumping this again because i just learned something that blew my fucking mind after watching this gay pokeymans video

so you know how in scarlet/violet you have the three new dog lines: maschiff, fidough, and greavard? what if i told you they're actually related? there's a nursery rhyme called "Rub-a-dub-dub" that goes:

Rub-a-dub-dub,
Three men in a tub,
And who do you think they be?
The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker,
And all of them out to sea.

butcher - maschiff
baker - fidough
candlestick maker - greavard

it's probably just a coincidence, but it'd be pretty clever if were intentional.

 

[Anonitolia]

fuck you i'm bumping this again because i just learned something that blew my fucking mind after watching this gay pokeymans video

so you know how in scarlet/violet you have the three new dog lines: maschiff, fidough, and greavard? what if i told you they're actually related? there's a nursery rhyme called "Rub-a-dub-dub" that goes:

butcher - maschiff
baker - fidough
candlestick maker - greavard

it's probably just a coincidence, but it'd be pretty clever if were intentional.

I think it's probably a coincidence
Maschiff and Greavard are stretching it, especially since the former is based around a bait-and-switch intimidation tactic (as opposed to the extremely straightforward menace a butcher gives off) and the latter evolves to lose the candlestick (and was hardly related to them in the first place beyond a shitty accessory slapped on its head).
Fun theory, though

 

[Catastrophe-TM]

New bug discovered

 

[BlazikenLover]

. Some of my favorite cases at the time were the Scarlet/Violet Book borders and the BDSP-exclusive Poketch skin.

How do you get those cases? I haven't visited many stores beyond the ones that sold battle items and sandwich ingredients, in fact I Managed to beat the base game and teal mask and completed their respective pokedex without figuring out where to buy picnic decorarions. I chalk it up to stores being hard to tell apart from normal buildings.

 

[Anonitolia]

How do you get those cases? I haven't visited many stores beyond the ones that sold battle items and sandwich ingredients, in fact I Managed to beat the base game and teal mask and completed their respective pokedex without figuring out where to buy picnic decorarions. I chalk it up to stores being hard to tell apart from normal buildings.

the first two are apparently unknown atm (might’ve just been found in the game’s files?), at least according to serebii, whereas the latter only unlocks if you have BDSP save data on your Switch

 

[BlazikenLover]

the first two are apparently unknown atm (might’ve just been found in the game’s files?), at least according to serebii, whereas the latter only unlocks if you have BDSP save data on your Switch

Turns out you need to talk to a npc in mesagoza, surprising i never ran into it.

 

[Anonitolia]

eternal consoomer arlo weighs in with his opinions

i'm just linking this because I find it really really funny how obviously in-denial he is of SV being bad games
dude talks about how "oh, I don't like this DLC as much because I'm playing it after Scarlet and Violet, which I loved, whereas when playing Sword and Shield's DLC (a game which he hated), I actually liked them way more because it was coming off a game I really didn't like!" when both DLCs barely changed jack shit from their base games save for adding in a new fetch quest and jangling some keys over barren, god-awful landscapes
the way he sounds when he's praising the landscapes 5 mins in too

"it all gives the impression of prettiness"

 

[GigantorUnitron]

So how do you guys think the new anime would do in the western market? I'm not even sure how well its doing in Japan, but from what I remember, in Japan, the human characters are more favored, which explains a lot, while in the west, its the mons that are more well liked. I think its gonna run into problems here.

I don't care either way if it flops or not, I enjoyed what little I saw, but I am curious on what those with more experience with me in these matters think.

 

[Anonitolia]

So how do you guys think the new anime would do in the western market? I'm not even sure how well its doing in Japan, but from what I remember, in Japan, the human characters are more favored, which explains a lot, while in the west, its the mons that are more well liked. I think its gonna run into problems here.

I don't care either way if it flops or not, I enjoyed what little I saw, but I am curious on what those with more experience with me in these matters think.

I think it's going to do well at first and then fail the moment it gets a gap in its release schedule.

• Putting it on Netflix forces it to compete with a multitude of other, much much better story-focused anime that have better art styles, more recognizable characters, more fleshed-out stories. Horizons seems to be going for a Western-style SoL/plot-driven hybrid from what little i've gleamed of the story, which is not going to work for a Western Pokémon audience (that, as you said, prefers the Pokémon and will probably recognize the anime more for its episodic aspects than anything else) nearly as well as Ash's creature-of-the-week adventures will.
• Ash is gone. Seeing as Japan's Pokémon craze centered around the games more than it did the anime, it probably wasn't nearly as big a deal to them (hell, might've even been a benefit), but I highly doubt anybody outside of the hardcore audience who's been watching this show for 25+ years actually wanted to see Ash go for real. He's like the face of Pokémon to every single normie parent who might recognize this show, and without him and Pikachu on the face of things said parent might be less immediately willing to just throw on a few Pokémon episodes for their kid. The difference will probably be negligible- I'm guessing maybe a half-second or two of doubt before the parent plays it anyways- but it'll still impact the series.
• Liko (fucking hate that name) and Roy are competing against a quarter-century of established branding that has just been thrown in the trash. This kind of ties into what I said above, but seriously, in the west- without Ash, the anime will be unrecognizable to the vast majority of normies, especially since they're putting so much emphasis on Galar and Paldea right now. No parent would buy a Liko (it should've been Riko or Lyko or literally anything else) toy over an Ash toy, no parent would go for a Sprigatito over a Pikachu unless the kid really really wanted it, and even if I doubt this'll be a disaster for sales or anything I think it'll definitely impact viewer and sales numbers for the general population.
• The hardcore fans/"kid cartoon reviewer" crowd will wet themselves over it. The former will stick around and watch it because it's Pokémon, the latter will watch it because "it's so cool and awesome that more kids animation is tackling deep stories with plot-based episodes you guyz" (despite this having been a thing for nearly 10 years now) and also because it's Pokémon. Both might drop off in later seasons if the two leads don't get better personalities.

TL;DR: It's on a platform flooded with anime in its genre that does everything it does but better- it went from being a unique monster-of-the-week show to being an infinitely more generic adventure series and is now facing very harsh competition where it previously had none. It's lost its flagship mascot (which was the most important part of the entire media franchise to most parents), it lost its recognizability, and I'm expecting its main fanbase to consist mostly of manchildren as opposed to real kids.

 

[Lurker]

SHINY POLTCHAGEIST LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO

i had an outbreak of poltchageist and i was at the part of the DLC where it only just turned night and will stay night until i continue the storyline, which made it really convenient when looking for a pokemon that comes out at night. imagine how much of a pain it is to look for this fucking thing at night when the only difference between a normal poltchageist and a shiny one is that the black is instead like a darkish green? it was by sheer luck i found mine because i saw what i thought looked to be a different-colored one and on a whim i decided to battle it, and thank fuck it was a shiny, and this time i was prepared because wild poltchageist, starting around level 64 or something(?) has the move memento, which severely lowers your attack stats and in return the pokemon using memento faints, so i had my toxtricity use taunt immediately so it wouldn't fucking kill itself.

it was a counterfeit, by the way, with absolutely garbage stats. but i don't even care, i'm gonna flex SO FUCKING HARD.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

What's that? No HGSS? Get that normie shit out of here this is a soundtrack for men, not remakechuds!

Keep your beeps and boops, I'll listen to actual music (JK, I like crystal, but HeartGold is just the best)

Aside from that, lately I've been having nostalgia trips over Battle Revolution of all games. Yeah, it's lacking a bunch of features of the Stadium games and it's practically unplayable if you don't connect it to a DS game, but it looks and sounds quite nice. Anyone else feel the same?

Spoiler: PBR sperging, lots of videos

Obviously the game is almost two decades old so the visuals are quite dated, but back then the Waterfall, Sunset and Sunny Park collosseums were gorgeous, and while the Pokemon's models and animations can be a bit wonky sometimes, they're miles better than the current crap on the Switch. Ho-Oh looks majestic:

And the OST is awesome, have a listen:

Also, PBR and BW2's PWT are the only two games where both you and NPC trainers can use major legendaries. I love most of their designs yet they're not allowed in the battle facilities and using them in during the story destroys what little challenge it has. They're more trophies than Pokemon in the core series and I'm glad this game lets me use them against other legendaries.

 

[Anonitolia]

I've been having nostalgia trips over Battle Revolution of all games. Yeah, it's lacking a bunch of features of the Stadium games and it's practically unplayable if you don't connect it to a DS game, but it looks and sounds quite nice. Anyone else feel the same?

lmao I wrote up a whole post partially about its water grafix

LOOK at this shit and tell me it ain't gorgeous, I dare you

 

[Squawking Macaw]

lmao I wrote up a whole post partially about its water grafix

LOOK at this shit and tell me it ain't gorgeous, I dare you
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Pretty damn good for a game out of 2007. I also really like the electric, fire and grass moves, Thunderbolt, Sacred Fire and Giga Drain look spectacular.