Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

Oh, this argument again.

I’ll say it as someone who was on the side of “Dexit was overdue” - we now have over 1000 Pokémon, and Gamefreak don’t exactly have the best track record on the technical side the last few generations. The Base Game Gen 9 Pokédex is roughly 400 Pokémon - plus or minus because of Regional Forms and the bullshit you can do with those via breeding - which I consider something of a sweet spot. Knowing Gamefreaks track record, and the state Gen 9 launched in, I legitimately wouldn’t be surprised if keeping the unused Pokemon models in storage in case people wanted to transfer up either bloated the games file size, or broke even more of this fucking game.

Granted, I’m someone who’s favourites from each gen tend to be around in some way or another, so to me it’s whatever.

 

[Lurker]

lol fuck your gay pokedex conversation, i just caught a shiny magikarp in scarlet. its stats suck balls and its nature is meh, but these things can be fixed.

 

[Anonitolia]

lol fuck your gay pokedex conversation, i just caught a shiny magikarp in scarlet. its stats suck balls and its nature is meh, but these things can be fixed.

is that stuff about the golden texture real
I remember people saying golden shinies like Magikarp or Forretress had a shiny texture applied to them but I never found a golden shiny in my pirated copy (only a Lechonk, rip) so I couldn't confirm

 

[Professor G. Raff]

I've bitched about Dexit in the past here, but I'll keep it simple in regards to my argument.

The issue is that having all Pokemon made the games unique, special in a way that nothing else has ever compared. Giving that up is destroying the very identity of the franchise. It wasn't done for a good reason, anything about graphics or memory limitations is bullshit, it was cynically done to sell shit like Pokemon Home and put even less effort into making the games. I would give them the benefit of the doubt if Home was free, but $20 a year is avaricious nonsense - Google Drive give you millions of times the storage for free that it takes to hold the kilobytes of Pokemon data. It steams me to no end they changed from physical solutions to moving Pokemon to software that's future is basically numbered as seen by Pokemon Bank being axed from download-ability soon when they could have made a physical dongle to save the data to transfer from 3DS to Switch.

In the end it's true most people don't care about bringing Pokemon into new games. 90% probably don't even connect their games together in any way, just abandoning the save and moving on to the next game when it comes. That makes the effort to nickle and dime that 10% with manufactured fees for a worse version of something that always existed for free all the worse. Being okay with Dexit is being okay with lower standards and the attempt to make every game have live service elements, and I can't abide that.

Still, game is made by small indie company, so prease undertandu.

 

[Lurker]

is that stuff about the golden texture real
I remember people saying golden shinies like Magikarp or Forretress had a shiny texture applied to them but I never found a golden shiny in my pirated copy (only a Lechonk, rip) so I couldn't confirm

yep. I was kinda surprised, but shiny magikarp does indeed have a metallic gold texture, as though it were made of gold. so that's pretty neat.

 

[Lurker]

doublepost for absolutely meaningless information

your trainer does have a spin animation, so if you rotate the analog stick really fast, your trainer will twirl/spin in place as long as you continue rotating the analog stick. your trainer will do a dizzy animation if you stop rotating the stick. the same can be done while riding koraidon/miraidon, but there is no spin animation, but rather spinning too fast will eventually cause it to stop and do a little dizzy animation.

/end autism

 

[whatever I feel like]

Those people can no longer go for whatever they found cool/cute/etc in previous games with newer ones because there's no guarantee they'll be able to even transfer them up again
Filler or not, every Pokémon is someone's favorite, and making the argument that people just won't care because not everybody is a 100%er is rather disingenuous imo

Maybe GF should keep bloat/duplication in mind next time before making yet another fucking pig/boar line. And yes, I've brought this up before.

 

[whatever I feel like]

I'm just wondering what the story significance of shiny Rayquaza is going to be.

They use the GS ball to catch it.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I've bitched about Dexit in the past here, but I'll keep it simple in regards to my argument.

The issue is that having all Pokemon made the games unique, special in a way that nothing else has ever compared. Giving that up is destroying the very identity of the franchise. It wasn't done for a good reason, anything about graphics or memory limitations is bullshit, it was cynically done to sell shit like Pokemon Home and put even less effort into making the games. I would give them the benefit of the doubt if Home was free, but $20 a year is avaricious nonsense - Google Drive give you millions of times the storage for free that it takes to hold the kilobytes of Pokemon data. It steams me to no end they changed from physical solutions to moving Pokemon to software that's future is basically numbered as seen by Pokemon Bank being axed from download-ability soon when they could have made a physical dongle to save the data to transfer from 3DS to Switch.

In the end it's true most people don't care about bringing Pokemon into new games. 90% probably don't even connect their games together in any way, just abandoning the save and moving on to the next game when it comes. That makes the effort to nickle and dime that 10% with manufactured fees for a worse version of something that always existed for free all the worse. Being okay with Dexit is being okay with lower standards and the attempt to make every game have live service elements, and I can't abide that.

Still, game is made by small indie company, so prease undertandu.

Regardless of why Dexit happened, I'm still of the belief that it was a matter of "when", not "if".

Even if Game Freak was more competent on the technical side of things, having a game where it's possible to obtain 1000+ Pokemon and counting sounds like it would be quite the undertaking. This is also taking into account that they would be working within the limits of the Nintendo Switch and the fact that they're pressuring themselves to get a game out every year.

I don't believe Dexit is a sign that Game Freak is taking a lazier approach to the series. Hell, I'm not sure I can even buy into the "GF is lazy" mentality. In Scarlet/Violet there's little attentions to detail that show that there is definitely still some love being put into these games, but it has become very apparent that this franchise needs to be handled better if S/V launch is any indication.

 

[Sneak 'n' Snore]

Regardless of why Dexit happened, I'm still of the belief that it was a matter of "when", not "if".

Even if Game Freak was more competent on the technical side of things, having a game where it's possible to obtain 1000+ Pokemon and counting sounds like it would be quite the undertaking. This is also taking into account that they would be working within the limits of the Nintendo Switch and the fact that they're pressuring themselves to get a game out every year.

I don't believe Dexit is a sign that Game Freak is taking a lazier approach to the series. Hell, I'm not sure I can even buy into the "GF is lazy" mentality. In Scarlet/Violet there's little attentions to detail that show that there is definitely still some love being put into these games, but it has become very apparent that this franchise needs to be handled better if S/V launch is any indication.

I can see how it would be inevitable but at the same time it was incredibly jarring how it happened with the leap to new, stronger hardware after they managed to fit all of them plus additional forms into the 3DS.
I've often seen people citing The Pokemon Company as one of the causes behind the lack in polish beyond just Game Freak and I can totally see how with the release schedule the series has.
And I agree on GF still putting some love into the games, there are plenty of neat animations in S/V for new mons and characters alike. I could see them doing better if they were given more time and ressources.
Though they have yet to regain the passion that the HG/SS director had for the development of the remakes.

 

[zyclonPD]

I can see how it would be inevitable but at the same time it was incredibly jarring how it happened with the leap to new, stronger hardware after they managed to fit all of them plus additional forms into the 3DS.
I've often seen people citing The Pokemon Company as one of the causes behind the lack in polish beyond just Game Freak and I can totally see how with the release schedule the series has.
And I agree on GF still putting some love into the games, there are plenty of neat animations in S/V for new mons and characters alike. I could see them doing better if they were given more time and ressources.
Though they have yet to regain the passion that the HG/SS director had for the development of the remakes.

Ive always firmly believed that the Pokémon company wasn't truly ready for the 3D switch. They had the Capcom struggle.

Capcom still continued to make 2D entries on PlayStation when other companies were rolling out their 3D titles. When they attempted to switch it failed and the developers struggled to make a 3D game because they lacked the knowledge and were catching up to everyone else.

Gamefreak is going through similar problems for the last few gens, compounded by the fact that Pokémon code already is bug prone and has issues. I give them some credit, there's a lot of things I like about SV. I just hope they expand their staff at some point and bring on new talent more suited for the world creation while the original team keeps up with the new content creation, storyboarding and battle mechanics. If they aren't hiring more developers for the future I question how committed they are to future games success.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

Arguably the biggest problem with how Dexit happened was that Game Freak basically ripped the badaid off with announcing it. While I believe it was a matter of time before it happened, if not flat out overdue by a gen or two, it probably could’ve been rolled out better.

That said, the Pokémon fanbase is a combination of Children, Retards, and Competitive Autists. While that first group likely don’t care because they’re young enough to not have the same nostalgia for older Pokémon/the same kind of Pokémon Home/Bank reserves, the latter two are far louder.

 

[vomitusdeux]

You really think the highest grossing game franchise in the world couldn't make a full dex on switch of 1,000 when they could on 3DS with 802 pokemon? Bullshit.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

You really think the highest grossing game franchise in the world couldn't make a full dex on switch of 1,000 when they could on 3DS with 802 pokemon? Bullshit.

I'm not saying they couldn't do it. I'm saying that, with how things are being run now, a task like that is easier said then done.

 

[vomitusdeux]

I'm not saying they couldn't do it. I'm saying that, with how things are being run now, a task like that is easier said then done.

Highest grossing franchise, they could hire more with ease to pick up the slack on what's difficult. If it weren't so fucking profitable I'd understand more. They just want to pump it out yearly with little care on quality control.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Highest grossing franchise, they could hire more with ease to pick up the slack on what's difficult. If it weren't so fucking profitable I'd understand more. They just want to pump it out yearly with little care on quality control.

That's what I'm trying to say here. The yearly releases is the biggest issue with the games. It can't be offset by simply hiring more people. I won't act like I know how game development works, but I do know that training needs to be done for new employees and that takes time. Time that could get in the way of developing the next Pokemon game.

What I think that Game Freak needs to do is slow the fuck down and adopt a release schedule similar to series like Super Mario and Zelda.

 

[vomitusdeux]

That's what I'm trying to say here. The yearly releases is the biggest issue with the games. It can't be offset by simply hiring more people. I won't act like I know how game development works, but I do know that training needs to be done for new employees and that takes time. Time that could get in the way of developing the next Pokemon game.

What I think that Game Freak needs to do is slow the fuck down and adopt a release schedule similar to series like Super Mario and Zelda.

I'm so salty that it's a yearly release that suffers in quality you don't even know. Every time I talk about this anywhere else on the internet I'm swarmed by fedoras thinking that nintendo can do no wrong. I like this thread.

 

[Thiletonomics]

You really think the highest grossing game franchise in the world couldn't make a full dex on switch of 1,000 when they could on 3DS with 802 pokemon? Bullshit.

It was even more telling, when Super Mystery Dungeon had more Pokémon available (720), than Sword and Shield post-DLCs (664), BDSP (493), and Scarlet and Violet (478 so far).

I'm so salty that it's a yearly release that suffers in quality you don't even know. Every time I talk about this anywhere else on the internet I'm swarmed by fedoras thinking that nintendo can do no wrong. I like this thread.

The series being as big as it is, and the game not reaching Fallout 76 or Battlefield 2042-levels of awful yet, makes people believe that.

 

[vomitusdeux]

It was even more telling, when Super Mystery Dungeon had more Pokémon available (720), than Sword and Shield post-DLCs (664), BDSP (493), and Scarlet and Violet (478 so far).

Mystery dungeon is the best game on switch for pokemon so far. I did finally start playing brilliant diamond though and I don't hate it. I'm gonna die mad about sword and shield being shit though. And I'm not probably going to pick up scarlet and violet now that there's a save killing bug either. Which is a shame because I love all the starters and a lot of the dex for gen 9.

The series being as big as it is, and the game not reaching Fallout 76 or Battlefield 2042-levels of awful yet, makes people believe that.

The bugs for S/V I have seen and read about make it pretty close to that point but not to it yet. I think gen 10 is going to be a fucking mess.

 

[Local Degenerate]

The problem with Dexit isn't just that it's lazy or that the hardware isn't powerful enough. It's that Pokemon makes a net gain more than the GDP of multiple small countries combined, and what do they give us? Static animations (tail wag is a great example), bugs out the ass, both game breaking and fun, and the same fucking game year after year, just with a feature or two tweaked.

There's an infograph I always point to that compares SW/SH to Digimon Cyber Sleuth, pointing out how despite making, IIRC, 10% of the profit, Digimon, on a weaker system (the Vita) was able to make overworld models for every single monster, at every stage of evolution, give every single monster a unique animation for their signature attack that was more than sliding them around, give every monster a unique win animation for landing the final hit, and have more detailed environments.

It's not just the lies, or the suddenness of it, it's the absolute gall of saying how hard it is to do any of these things (note: not ALL, ANY) with the amount of pokemon there are, when they make more money than this entire forum will ever see in our collective lifetimes, ANNUALLY. Add to that their absolute refusal to entertain even the simplest of fan requests, their paradoxical sucking off of competitive, while having a raging hate-on for people who just want a bit more spice (Nuzlockers), and their insistance on burning down every new, enjoyed feature every single game, and replacing it with more and more watered down shit versions, and it's no surprise people were pissed off.

The Infograph in question: