Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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These aesthetic differences don't come with any differentiation in naming, they're not given model numbers or anything, and the universe is treated the exact same.

...I mean, there are differentiations in naming.

Just looking at the image you posted, you can see the tech progress from "Pokédex" to "Rotom Pokédex" to "App on the Rotom Phone". Sure, we're not always given exact model numbers, but there's clear progression in tech.

And the reason I say we're not always given model numbers?

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I think you're thinking of the name "Pokedex" as something similar to "iPhone", when it would be more accurate to consider it similar to "Phone" or "Smartphone". It's a colloquial term for a variety of different tools that serve the same core function - indexing Pokémon data. Making super public clearly different names to different things that serve the same purpose would muddy the fact that these are meant to serve similar to the exact same function as each other in each game. It'd confuse things, and - to be blunt - most people don't really care. A pokemon center is a pokemon center, regardless of how the thing is set up, as long as it heals Pokémon. A barbecue is a barbecue.

I still call my alarm clock my alarm clock, even though it's now an app on my smartphone rather than a physical clock.

I'm also gonna circle around and challenge the baseline which you're talking from. How many series do you know where this rule of tech aesthetic is held, being at a specific modern tech level consistently throughout a decade or two of both real-life in-game and out-game time? Or, maybe that description is a little off, but the core point is: what is a series that does this "right" in your eyes?
 
from "Pokédex" to "Rotom Pokédex" to "App on the Rotom Phone".
*from Pokedex to Rotomdex to Pokedex
the app is still called a Pokedex, which adds to my point imo
the only one with any change is the Rotomdex (when referring to naming scheme)

I think you're thinking of the name "Pokedex" as something similar to "iPhone", when it would be more accurate to consider it similar to "Phone" or "Smartphone". It's a colloquial term for a variety of different tools that serve the same core function - indexing Pokémon data.
Also, I had no idea about the other dexes actually having model numbers or considered the possibility that "Pokedex" is just a colloquialism, my bad.
...or, it would be, if this was ever brought up in the games. Literally ever. I've put tens of thousands of hours into this series and spent years writing for its setting but not once have I known about this.
And they stopped giving out these model numbers in Sinnoh, despite HGSS' dexes still having differences to GSC's and the following ones being even more drastically different.
Not to mention, the Pokedex is repeatedly and explicitly stated to be the name of that specific device, on multiple occasions in multiple different mediums (but mainly the anime if I remember correctly). Ash and the Special (manga) trainers don't get "a new pokedex", they got "new models of the pokedex".
So I think my point still stands.
Also, I'm stealing the tidbit about model numbers for a bad joke someday and you can't stop me

Making super public clearly different names to different things that serve the same purpose would muddy the fact that these are meant to serve similar to the exact same function as each other in each game. It'd confuse things, and - to be blunt - most people don't really care. A pokemon center is a pokemon center, regardless of how the thing is set up, as long as it heals Pokémon. A barbecue is a barbecue.
You say they don't care, but I think they do- they just don't really say it or notice it consciously because why would the general population think of a game's issues and immediately go to the style of the Pokémon center.
People recognize that the thing is very different from what they remember, but it doesn't affect them too badly until combined with everything else. The newer "bad" designs, the newer focus on story, etc etc. It all adds up, that's what i'm trying to say here. Someone's not going to point out an outdated barbecue at someone's lower-class house, but if that barbecue is sat on the porch of a house that's from the 50s or otherwise noticeably old then people will take notice of it being an old house. They might not explicitly comment, but they will definitely notice. Same goes for a super sleek barbecue at a middle-class house compared to a mansion (except that you'd actually comment on that irl, so the metaphor doesn't hold up as well.)

How many series do you know where this rule of tech aesthetic is held, being at a specific modern tech level consistently throughout a decade or two of both real-life in-game and out-game time? Or, maybe that description is a little off, but the core point is: what is a series that does this "right" in your eyes?
Tough question, honestly. Not many video game series have even lasted long enough to be candidates for that, and of those that have I probably haven't played plenty. Maybe, to stray away from gaming a bit, I think I'll bring up Dr Who.
It's got an honestly similar aesthetic: a lot of its iconography is centered around clunky grey tech or relatively grounded objects being "sci-fi'd". It's lasted for 50-some years- longer now- and yet, throughout that, through countless redesigns and Doctors and even a full-on reboot- it's always kept its level of technology around the same kind of theme. No matter how many times Cybermen are redesigned, they're still boxy robots with stupid antennae and funny walks. No matter how many times the Daleks are redesigned, they always rely on that traffic-cone base with the whisk-hands and tacky orbs down their torsos. No matter how many times the Sonic Screwdriver is redesigned, it's always a funny doohickey with lots of mechanical bits and a glowy thing at the end (even if it varies in design a lot more than the other two I mentioned).
This is a show centered on cool alien dudes taking modern-day girls (and boys sometimes) to different time periods while always returning to the present-day. There is constant change, constant and drastic differences even between individual seasons, and yet the show keeps its aesthetics very consistent and cohesive without changing too much (save for that one time with the Daleks but we do not speak of that time). You could argue that the mercurial setting is exactly why Dr Who keeps its design consistent and Pokémon doesn't- because all the change in Who requires that anchor of cohesive stability to prevent the audience from being lost, whereas Pokémon still has its old designs wandering the same old earth-like world to keep their audience aware- but now that Dexit is in full effect, and plenty of old Pokémon outright cannot exist in the newer games, I would argue that this isn't much of a counter anymore.
 
Specifically, the Pokédex numbers are brought up in the tcg, to denote different cards with similar but slightly different effects.

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The Gen 5 Pokédex card doesn't have a model number, and has the same effect as the original. Gen 4 and 5 are when a variety of other devices and doodads were introduced, so it's very likely any other similar cards they want to make they can allocate to a different device or a different card. Even on the english-speaking cards, they didn't always use the model numbers - the first two pokedex models used as cards are called "Pokédex" and "New Pokédex".

Which also handily explains why we don't know the model numbers for the others. If it serves the same purpose, what point is there in adding it? If anything, adding more model numbers could make the rules around the number of Pokédex cards complicated. As for the games, keep in mind the games are ultimately for children, and you only ever get like one model per game. Adding some kinda label or prefix to each Pokédex model wouldn't really affect them at best, and would likely cause confusion if they did register it.

Now, onto the doctor who stuff. Keep in mind I only know the basics. Firstly, everything you mentioned was far-future tech, not modern tech, albeit that's a bit nitpicky, and it should be subject to the same shifting definition of "futuristic". Secondly, two of those are species, not technologies per se, which might mean their aesthetic changes a lot less.

But third, the one that precludes both my arguments and by far the most damning, is that most of these things don't actually have the consistent aesthetics you claim.

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Early Cybermen: wearing soft full-head masks, and having oodles of shit stapled to them all over.
Modern Cybermen: Sleek robot with little to no visible external machinery.

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Sonic screwdrivers over the years. Note the ones on the far right, Jodie Whitaker's screwdriver, as well as the crystaline one fifth from the left.

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Of course, Jodie Whitaker's series is wildly unpopular for many reasons. How about the tardis itself? Are you gonna look at these two images and tell me the aesthetics don't change?
And I am going to laugh at that fucking dexit line, because it's pathetic and assuming that it's not a joke would be an insult to your intelligence. Not only are Pokémon from older games always present in these reduced dexes, but they are often shoved in your face, to the point other people complain about that. And just as a conversation point, of the two Pokémon lines that are in every single dex, one of them is the Magnemite line.

Your dexit line actually applies far more strongly to Pokémon Black and White, than it does to Scarlet and Violet.

But I think I've actually taken us a little off track. Your original argument was that the original Pokémon tech was grounded "modern" tech, and it's accelerated into high-tech/near futuristic tech over time. My original counterargument was that it's always been high-tech/near future tech, it's just that the definition of such has changed over time.

Getting nitpicky about Pokédex models and their names doesn't really address that as well as posting a single screencap from each Pokémon Stadium.

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See that bulbous, swollen machine on the back left, that green dial on the machine in the back-right, that laptop with two screens? All of these look like what people thought futuristic technology would look like at the time. It was bulbous and had dozens of screens built in.

To say nothing of the borderline-fucking-pod-racers of the Gamecube games.
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This is a game series where I can pick up a little red golf ball, press one button and make it expand to the size of a tennis ball, then throw it and summon a 34kg living polygonal bird created by humans. Pokémon tech has always had a foot in the near-future aesthetic. Always.

Edit: Oh, and one last thing. Nearly every picture I've got up on this post from a Pokémon game, and the bit of information about the known model numbers?

Come from the same bulbapedia page you took the image of all the Pokedexes from.
 
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Just gonna leave this here since it relates to the recent Tera Raid. While it's embarrassing GF can't put any kind of security on their game or servers to prevent this from happening (just force kick everyone offline or turn off the server for a second when the patch uploads ffs), I don't feel sorry for this idiot in the slightest. If you managed to go into the new raids without updating (being online already when the patch launched), you would encounter a bad egg. Well this dummy caught it, because apparently the egg fighting IN THE RAID wasn't enough of a red flag to say "something isn't right here". I have a hard time wagging my finger at GF when someone is  this dumb.
 
It's not the technology level that's the problem, it's the way it's presented. It's hard to really clarify without sounding like i'm beating around the bush: I just mean the shift in aesthetics, I guess. Compare both pics with each other, hopefully that gets across what I mean. The first picture is gen 1's PC, the second is Pokémon GO's. The first is far far more grounded- very similar to a real-world PC- while the second looks more like something out of sci-fi or an extremely advanced hospital. Even when the old anime portrayed futuristic stuff like (at the time) video calling, it was done in a very grounded manner in which Ash basically just used a computer to do it and all he could do was see the other person through the screen. In more modern pokemon, I'm pretty sure something like that would be portrayed with a hologram showing an entire body and facial movements instead. Why am I so sure of this? Because XY already did it with the Holocaster!
Why must adequately describing changes in style without sounding like an ineloquent schizo be so hard for no good reason...
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I think they've just been having a marketing mid-life crisis since Gen 5. I'm pretty sure those games convinced them that all anybody cared about was Kanto (due to the aforementioned complaining about a lack of old Pokémon), and GO blowing up amongst normal people while including exclusively Kanto (alongside XY selling much better than BW while having far more explicit Kanto pandering (yes I realize that's a buzzword, it still applies here)) only solidified that perception.
They know that the Kanto crowd have more disposable income and are a big market of theirs, but are simultaneously trying to rope in new fans to try and keep the brand alive instead of coasting off the money of nostalgia-addled 30 year olds who waste all their money on TCG sets.

bw only sold not so well because the pokemon crazed kids from the late 90s and early 2000s grew out of it mostly after RSE/DP and the next generation of fans discovered XY on the 3ds and stuck to it. The millenials then picked up pokemon again when go came out, as they have passed the age span where you try to avoid anything "uncool" and were going for nostalgia. Since GO, pkmn is so mainstream everybody can play it and nobody needs to be ashamed to do so any more.

The aforementioned Gireum Red describes Ed Sheerans Pokemon Song as the point of no return at the evolution from a gamer franchise that also creates merch to a big consoomer industry, shoving down new, unfinished games down the audiences throat every year, while generating billions through merch like cards and plushies.


Update on my Sun Nuzlocke

I'm currently at melemele meadows.
Some of my encounters were really lucky, so i hope i'm able to keep them around for as long as possible.
Sadly i accidentally killed the magnemite I met at Trainer School (i'm treating route 1 as three different areas) with a Water Gun crit,
this would've been one of the best encounters in the game.
You don't have many good electric types in Alola, Vikavolt is cool but its too slow and evolves at the end of the game.
The Magnemite line is not too fast, but for alolas generally slow pokemon, it's speed is perfectly fine.
Also, my team lacks on the physically defensive side.

my team looks like this
- Misdreavus Lv. 14 (my MVP with those stats, Silk Scarf and echoed voice its just OP early game, but beware of bite and pursuit users)
- Popplio Lv. 14
- Trumbeak Lv. 14
- Sleepy Joe Slowpoke Lv. 13
- Cutiefly Lv. 12
- Cottonee Lv. 12 My newest catch, with prankster it has the potential to be a really good utility mon

Deaths (this game feels hard after ORAS):
Smeargle - > Died to Donald Trumps Totem Gumshoos Tackle attack, but managed to get off two super fangs i earlier sketched
from Trump Jr. in the cave.
Zubat -> Died to a wild Digletts Metal Claw crit
Rattata -> The Cutiefly i caught finished it off with a highroll Struggle Bug
 
In light of the new video, I updated the list.
  1. Sprigatito (Grass)
  2. Floragato (Grass)
  3. Meowscarada (Grass/Dark)
  4. Fuecoco (Fire)
  5. Crocalor (Fire)
  6. Skeledirge (Fire/Ghost)
  7. Quaxly (Water)
  8. Quaxwell (Water)
  9. Quaquaval (Water/Fighting)
  10. Lechonk (Normal)
  11. Oikologne (Normal)
  12. Dunsparce (Normal)
  13. Dudunsparce (Normal)
  14. Tarountula (Bug)
  15. Spidops (Bug)
  16. Nymble (Bug)
  17. Lokix (Bug/Dark)
  18. Rellor (Bug)
  19. Rabsca (Bug/Psychic)
  20. Greavard (Ghost)
  21. Houndstone (Ghost)
  22. Flittle (Psychic)
  23. Espathra (Psychic)
  24. Tsuinzu (Normal/Dark)
  25. Beta Girafarig (Normal/Dark)
  26. Johtonian Girafarig (Psychic/Normal)
  27. Farigiraf (Psychic/Normal)
  28. Kantonian Diglett (Ground)
  29. Kantonian Dugtrio (Ground)
  30. Alolan Diglett (Ground/Steel)
  31. Alolan Dugtrio (Ground/Steel)
  32. Wiglett (Water)
  33. Wugtrio (Water)
  34. Dondozo (Water)
  35. Veluza (Water/Psychic)
  36. Finizen (Water)
  37. Zero Palafin (Water)
  38. Hero Palafin (Water)
  39. Smoliv (Grass/Normal)
  40. Dolliv (Grass/Normal)
  41. Arboliva (Grass/Normal)
  42. Capsakid (Grass)
  43. Scovillain (Grass/Fire)
  44. Tadbulb (Electric)
  45. Bellibolt (Electric)
  46. Varoom (Poison/Steel)
  47. Plain Revavroom (Poison/Steel)
  48. Segin Revavroom (Dark)
  49. Schedar Revavroom (Fire)
  50. Navi Revavroom (Poison)
  51. Ruchbah Revavroom (Fairy)
  52. Caph Revavroom (Fighting)
  53. Orthworm (Steel)
  54. Tandemaus (Normal)
  55. Maushold (Normal)
  56. Cetoddle (Ice)
  57. Cetitan (Ice)
  58. Frigibax (Ice/Dragon)
  59. Arctibax (Ice/Dragon)
  60. Baxcalibur (Ice/Dragon)
  61. Curly Tatsugiri (Water/Dragon)
  62. Droopy Tatsugiri (Water/Dragon)
  63. Stretchy Tatsugiri (Water/Dragon)
  64. Cyclizar (Normal/Dragon)
  65. Pawmi (Electric)
  66. Pawmo (Electric/Fighting)
  67. Pawmot (Electric/Fighting)
  68. Wattrel (Electric/Flying)
  69. Kilowattrel (Electric/Flying)
  70. Bombirdier (Flying/Dark)
  71. Squawkabilly (Normal/Flying)
  72. Flamigo (Fighting/Flying)
  73. Klawf (Rock)
  74. Nacli (Rock)
  75. Naclstack (Rock)
  76. Garganacl (Rock)
  77. Glimmet (Poison/Rock)
  78. Glimmora (Poison/Rock)
  79. Shroodle (Poison/Normal)
  80. Grafaiai (Poison/Normal)
  81. Fidough (Fairy)
  82. Dachsbun (Fairy)
  83. Maschiff (Dark)
  84. Mabosstiff (Dark)
  85. Bramblin (Grass/Ghost)
  86. Brambleghast (Grass/Ghost)
  87. Chest Gimmighoul (Ghost)
  88. Roaming Gimmighoul (Ghost)
  89. Ghouldengo (Ghost/Steel)
  90. Phanpy (Ground)
  91. Donphan (Ground)
  92. Past Donphan (Fighting/Ground)
  93. Foongus (Grass/Poison)
  94. Amoongus (Grass/Poison)
  95. Past Amoongus (Grass/Dark)
  96. Magnemite (Electric/Steel)
  97. Magneton (Electric/Steel)
  98. Past Magneton (Electric/Ground)
  99. Magnezone (Electric/Steel)
  100. Igglybuff (Normal/Fairy)
  101. Jigglypuff (Normal/Fairy)
  102. Past Jigglypuff (Psychic/Fairy)
  103. Wigglytuff (Normal/Fairy)
  104. Gastly (Poison/Ghost)
  105. Haunter (Poison/Ghost)
  106. Gengar (Poison/Ghost)
  107. Past Gengar (Ghost/Dark)
  108. Abra (Psychic)
  109. Kadabra (Psychic)
  110. Alakazam (Psychic)
  111. Past Alakazam (Psychic/Ice)
  112. Misdreavus (Ghost)
  113. Past Misdreavus (Ghost/Fairy)
  114. Mismagious (Ghost)
  115. Larvesta (Bug)
  116. Volcarona (Bug/Fire)
  117. Past Volcarona (Bug/Fighting)
  118. Bagon (Dragon)
  119. Shelgon (Dragon)
  120. Salamence (Flying/Dragon)
  121. Past Salamence (Dragon/Dark)
  122. Future Donphan (Ground/Steel)
  123. Future Volcarona (Poison/Fire)
  124. Makuhita (Fighting)
  125. Hariyama (Fighting)
  126. Future Hariyama (Electric/Fighting)
  127. Deino (Dragon/Dark)
  128. Zweilous (Dragon/Dark)
  129. Hydreigon (Dragon/Dark)
  130. Future Hydreigon (Flying/Dark)
  131. Larvitar (Ground/Rock)
  132. Pupitar (Ground/Rock)
  133. Tyranitar (Rock/Dark)
  134. Future Tyranitar (Electric/Rock)
  135. Delibird (Ice/Flying)
  136. Future Delibird (Water/Ice)
  137. Ralts (Psychic/Fairy)
  138. Kirlia (Psychic/Fairy)
  139. Gardevoir (Psychic/Fairy)
  140. Gallade (Fighting/Psychic)
  141. Future Gallade (Fighting/Fairy)
  142. Yanma (Bug/Flying)
  143. Yanmega (Bug/Flying)
  144. Future Yanmega (Bug/Steel)
  145. Golett (Ground/Ghost)
  146. Golurk (Ground/Ghost)
  147. Future Golurk (Ground/Steel)
  148. Dreepy (Ghost/Dragon)
  149. Drakloak (Ghost/Dragon)
  150. Dragapult (Ghost/Dragon)
  151. Past Dragapult (Ice/Dragon)
  152. Bellsprout (Grass/Poison)
  153. Weepingbel (Grass/Poison)
  154. Victreebel (Grass/Poison)
  155. Tsubomitto (Grass/Poison)
  156. Past Victreebell (Poison/Rock)
  157. Venipede (Bug/Poison)
  158. Whirlpede (Bug/Poison)
  159. Scolipede (Bug/Poison)
  160. Future Scolipede (Poison/Steel)
  161. Zubat (Poison/Flying)
  162. Golbat (Poison/Flying)
  163. Crobat (Poison/Flying)
  164. Future Crobat (Flying/Steel)
  165. Ting-Lu (Ground/Dark)
  166. Chien-Pao (Ice/Dark)
  167. Wo-Chien (Grass/Dark)
  168. Chi-Yu (Fire/Dark)
  169. Koraidon (Fighting/Dragon)
  170. Miraidon (Electric/Dragon)
  171. Tinktank (Steel/Fairy)
  172. Tinkatuff (Steel/Fairy)
  173. Tinkaton (Steel/Fairy)
  174. Charcadet (Fire)
  175. Armarouge (Fire/Psychic)
  176. Ceruledge (Fire/Ghost)
  177. Tentacool (Poison/Water)
  178. Tentacruel (Poison/Water)
  179. Toedscool (Grass/Ground)
  180. Toedscruel (Grass/Ground)
  181. Pawniard (Dark/Steel)
  182. Bisharp (Dark/Steel)
  183. Kingambit (Dark/Steel)
  184. Beta Wooper (Water)
  185. Johtonian Wooper (Water/Ground)
  186. Johtonian Quagsire (Water/Ground)
  187. Paldean Wooper (Poison/Ground)
  188. Clodsire (Poison/Ground)
  189. Mankey (Fighting)
  190. Primeape (Fighting)
  191. Annihilape (Fighting/Ghost)
  192. Kantonian Tauros (Normal)
  193. Combat Tauros (Fighting)
  194. Blaze Tauros (Fire/Fighting)
  195. Aqua Tauros (Water/Fighting)
  196. Kantonian Magikarp (Water)
  197. Kantonian Gyarados (Water/Flying)
  198. 'Paldean' Magikarp (Ground)
  199. 'Paldean' Gyarados (Ground/Dragon)
  200. Past Magikarp (Water/Dragon)
  201. Future Magikarp (Water/Steel)
  202. Kotora (Electric)
  203. Raitora (Electric)
  204. Gaotora (Electric)
  205. Ditto (Normal)
  206. Animon (Normal)
  207. Flambear (Fire)
  208. Volbear (Fire)
  209. Dynabear (Fire)
  210. Past Dynabear (Fire/Rock)
  211. Wolfman (Ice)
  212. Warwolf (Ice)
  213. Squirtle (Water)
  214. Wartortle (Water)
  215. Blastoise (Water)
  216. Future Blastoise (Water/Steel)
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    (Grass/Ice)
  218. PM2F_306.png
    (Grass/Ice)
  219. PM2F_307.png
    (Grass/Ice)
  220. PM2F_308.png
    (Grass/Water)
  221. PM2F_313.png
    (Grass/Flying)
  222. PM2F_314.png
    (Bug/Rock)
  223. PM2F_378.png
    the baby (Fairy)
  224. PM2F_378.png
    the mother (Fairy/Flying)
  225. PM2F_403.png
    (Bug/Flying)
  226. PM2F_405.png
    (Bug/Flying)
  227. Gyarth (Rock)
  228. Gyaoon (Rock)
  229. Raikou (Lightning)
  230. Entei (Fire)
  231. Suicune (Water)
  232. Tenshou (???/???)
  233. Past Suicune (Water/Dragon)
  234. Cobalion (Steel/Fighting)
  235. Terrakion (Rock/Fighting)
  236. Virizion (Grass/Fighting)
  237. Keldeo (Water/Fighting)
  238. Future Virizion (Grass/Psychic)
  239. Ogerpon (???/???)
  240. Okidogi (???/???)
  241. Munkidori (???/???)
  242. Fezandipiti (???/???)
  243. Terapagos (???/???)
That leaves nine spaces, though I can squeeze an extra space if I move th Egg.
If @Disc 's theory of t Heroes of Kitakami actually being split-starter-prototypes is true, then I would end up using all of the remaining space: each starter has three stages, which would split into two final stages. Since there are three starters, then, if you do not count Okidogi, Munkidori, and Fezandipiti (which were already in the list), then they add up to nine.

Speaking of space, since the old GameBoy Color games only have 10 letters per name, some reductions are necessary:
  • Meowscarada → Meowcarada
  • Dudunsparce → Dudunsprce
  • Zero Palafin → 0. Palafin
  • Hero Palafin → H. Palafin
  • Kilowattrel → Kilowatrel
  • Squawkabilly → Squakabily
  • Brambleghast → Bramblgast
  • Fezandipiti → Fezandipti
  • Scream Tail → ScreamTail
  • Brute Bonnet → BruteBonet
  • Flutter Mane → FluterMane
  • Slither Wing → SliterWing
  • Sandy Shocks → SandyShock
  • Roaring Moon → RoarinMoon
  • Walking Wake → WalkinWake
  • Iron Treads → IronTreads
  • Iron Bundle → IronBundle
  • Iron Jugulis → IronJuglis
  • Iron Thorns → IronThorns
  • Iron Valiant → IronValian
  • Iron Leaves → IronLeaves
  • Dunsparce → Dunsprce (matching 'Dudunsprce')
  • Weepingbell → Weepingbel (matching 'Victreebel')
The different forms of Revavroom, Tatsugiri, Gimmighoul, and regional variations will keep the same name.
Wait...
*notices that Past Suicune and Future Virizion have new moves*
*remembers the struggle from trying to reduce the number of moves to 254*
 
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okay, judging from the puzzle pieces on all of our posts, I'm going to assume that we're derailing the thread a bit @Disc
I won't argue further, even though I want to, since the constant paragraph-flinging is probably starting to annoy others and it's also tiring me out. I think my argument is relatively sound and have reason to dismiss yours, even if yours is also somewhat well put-together, and I'll leave it at that.


Just gonna leave this here since it relates to the recent Tera Raid. While it's embarrassing GF can't put any kind of security on their game or servers to prevent this from happening (just force kick everyone offline or turn off the server for a second when the patch uploads ffs), I don't feel sorry for this idiot in the slightest. If you managed to go into the new raids without updating (being online already when the patch launched), you would encounter a bad egg. Well this dummy caught it, because apparently the egg fighting IN THE RAID wasn't enough of a red flag to say "something isn't right here". I have a hard time wagging my finger at GF when someone is  this dumb.
Finally someone said it lmao
I've been seeing people complain about the bad egg everywhere as if it's GF's fault while proudly showing off its summary screen, and all I can think about is how easily that could've been prevented. Ffs, if you're gonna call out GF on anything, why focus on a raid that you yourself could've easily joined by just updating your damn game? It's like complaining about GF not fixing bugs while still being on 1.0.0. Not like GF has fixed any since (save for the Duplication glitch and eyes remaining open while a Pokémon is asleep), but it's still retarded.

[in response to @The Ultimate Ramotith, whom Kiwifarms is not letting me quote]
nice to see Squawkabilly and Kilowattrel getting the Victreebel treatment lol
this is for a recreation hack of gen 9 in gen 1's style, right? Or is it something else?
 
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[in response to @The Ultimate Ramotith, whom Kiwifarms is not letting me quote]
Kiwi Farms gets wonky sometimes. Th is a big website that is being constantly targetted.
nice to see Squawkabilly and Kilowattrel getting the Victreebel treatment lol
Why Squawkabilly and Kilowattrel specifically from the list?
This is for a recreation hack of gen 9 in gen 1's style, right? Or is it something else?
You are right. I am currently planning on making a demake hack based on the pokegold dissasembly. The idea is that, since Pokémon Scarlet and Violet were such big messes, the best way one can fix them is by just remaking (or in my case demaking) the game from the ground-up. I chose a demake in particular because I was inspired by this video. I picked pokegold instead of pokecrystal because Pokémon Crystal is GBC-only, while I wan to add Super Game Boy and MSU-1 functionality to pokegold.

Th i still in the planning stage, especially since I lack assembly knowledge of the GB and even the SGB and SNES, but right now I hav essentially all of the mons (a this moment), moves, evolution methods planned, while I am still thinking about which items I should add, aside from the Key Items from Pokémon Scarlet and Violet.

I am also thinking of how I can implemen the Terastal Phenomenon in battle. The Key item is fine, and I might be able to squeeze the Tera Type and Tera readiness in th empty space in the Pokémon data structure, but adding the type calculations and substitutions is tough.

A lot of the mechanics are downgraded, though. Random encounters are back. There will not be a Physical-Special Split, though Darkness is Physical while Ghost and Fairy are Special. There are no Gym minigames that you have to accomplish before battling the trainers and leaders. In fact, though you can still travel all over Paldea, you will be Railroaded to the official path instead of going through constant level mismatches.
  • Gym Leaders will not accept challengers that do not have the correct badges.
  • Team Star Leaders will not want to bully someone who is weak... excep tha they will come up with excuses that cover up that reason.
  • Titan Pokémon... I think tha they would be locked away with moves that require certain HMs, but I do not know.
Then again, your current Raidon will still take the place of the Bicycle and HMs. I also wan to keep the 'trainers will not jump into battle just because they saw you' part.
 
Why Squawkabilly and Kilowattrel specifically from the list?
Squawkabilly because it lost an L, Kilowattrel because I thought it did. Turns out it lost a T and I'm an idiot. Anyways, I picked them because Victreebel almost certainly lost its own L due to the character limit, like Squawk did.
Also, that sounds pretty cool! Personally, I think the game's pretty much beyond saving in any respect, but that's my own bias speaking. I wish you luck on your project- it sounds tough- and I hope it turns out well!
 
Squawkabilly because it lost an L, Kilowattrel because I thought it did. Turns out it lost a T and I'm an idiot. Anyways, I picked them because Victreebel almost certainly lost its own L due to the character limit, like Squawk did.
Also, that sounds pretty cool! Personally, I think the game's pretty much beyond saving in any respect, but that's my own bias speaking. I wish you luck on your project- it sounds tough- and I hope it turns out well!
That is also the reason why Weepinbell dropped the 'L'; I just found that difference weird.

What do you mean by 'beyond saving in any respect'?
 
'beyond saving in any respect'
I think it's a Galar situation, where it's just completely fucked in terms of execution and even mostly in concept.

I've never been a fan of regions that are just an entire country as opposed to a region of one- it makes the world feel smaller, and forces the devs to generalize far more than they would otherwise- and Paldea is even worse than those, with it seemingly being based on the entire Iberian peninsula as opposed to just a part of it, even if it ends up mostly being Spain (Cascaraffa and the big city's main square are very portugal-inspired as far as i'm aware, as well as the town you need to get to in order to beat that awful awful water gym leader).

There's also just the general feel of newer Pokémon that's turned me off of the newer games' worlds that I mentioned, that heavy emphasis on wacky sci-fi as opposed to more subtle theming like even gens 5 or 6 had (which still had this problem), and I hate the dex. I can't say I even like more than 5 new Pokémon, Paradoxes excluded because they're just tweaked reskins of older mon, and that's in the biggest dex we've had since Unova.
A lot of the world is also very empty and bland, with an excess of empty grassy fields that the game tricks you into thinking are heavily populated by scattering items every 2 steps. I can't think of a single landmark outside of the main city's type wheel, or MAYBE those RGBY sprite mosaics in the psychic town.
The gym challenges are a bore, with hardly any of them requiring any thought and most being unrelated to the gym itself (why are you making me do a tutorial for auctions before I can fight the water guy, how does hide and seek correlate to art or streaming in the slightest), along with the designs of the gym leaders being awful. All of the characters are a total eyesore, actually, which contributes a lot...
Even the story sucks shit, with absolutely nothing happening for 90% of it before a big exposition dump and a cool boss battle at the end that does absolutely nothing besides assault you with information and let you listen to the only good music tracks in the game. Not to mention the horribly blatant DLC bait that was the lack of basic character customization, Heath's journal, the big black spot in the top-right of the map.
The game is piss-easy to the point where I was still overleveled compared to every trainer even after completely redoing my team three separate times, and the lack of level scaling is an absolute fucking joke.
I won't touch on the removed features, the terrible graphics, the horrible performance, the needless battle gimmicks, etc. That's been par for the course since XY or SMish and isn't exclusive to Paldea.

Really, it's all up to personal preference, and for me these games just do absolutely nothing. I can find no good in them without heavy caveats, I couldn't even finish it. I got through the elite 4 and champion after completing the other two paths and then called it quits. Hated my playthrough more than any other, which is a feat considering the last two generations lol. Very glad I pirated it.
If I had to "fix" them, I'd probably shrink the scope down incredibly. Focus on a single region of Spain, try to pack as much cool shit to do as possible in that area, fire every single artist and map designer and start anew. That's just the bare minimum, but hopefully that gets across what I mean by "beyond saving in any respect". Nothing about the execution works for me, and very little of the concept does.

Sorry if I come off as kind of mad at it. I've been seething at the bit because I really love this world and still enjoy older games plenty. It sucks to see your favorite franchise get beaten to death, shat on, paraded around as innovative, and then turn around to see everyone else who used to enjoy it saying this is the best the franchise has been in years. And I have nothing better to do than watch as it burns so lol.

Long autistic sperging aside, tl;dr: concept is bad, execution is worse. I salute you for your efforts and wish you luck regardless
 
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I think it's a Galar situation, where it's just completely fucked in terms of execution and even mostly in concept.

I've never been a fan of regions that are just an entire country as opposed to a region of one- it makes the world feel smaller, and forces the devs to generalize far more than they would otherwise- and Paldea is even worse than those, with it seemingly being based on the entire Iberian peninsula as opposed to just a part of it, even if it ends up mostly being Spain (Cascaraffa and the big city's main square are very portugal-inspired as far as i'm aware, as well as the town you need to get to in order to beat that awful awful water gym leader).

There's also just the general feel of newer Pokémon that's turned me off of the newer games' worlds that I mentioned, that heavy emphasis on wacky sci-fi as opposed to more subtle theming like even gens 5 or 6 had (which still had this problem), and I hate the dex. I can't say I even like more than 5 new Pokémon, Paradoxes excluded because they're just tweaked reskins of older mon, and that's in the biggest dex we've had since Unova.
A lot of the world is also very empty and bland, with an excess of empty grassy fields that the game tricks you into thinking are heavily populated by scattering items every 2 steps. I can't think of a single landmark outside of the main city's type wheel, or MAYBE those RGBY sprite mosaics in the psychic town.
The gym challenges are a bore, with hardly any of them requiring any thought and most being unrelated to the gym itself (why are you making me do a tutorial for auctions before I can fight the water guy, how does hide and seek correlate to art or streaming in the slightest), along with the designs of the gym leaders being awful. All of the characters are a total eyesore, actually, which contributes a lot...
Even the story sucks shit, with absolutely nothing happening for 90% of it before a big exposition dump and a cool boss battle at the end that does absolutely nothing besides assault you with information and let you listen to the only good music tracks in the game. Not to mention the horribly blatant DLC bait that was the lack of basic character customization, Heath's journal, the big black spot in the top-right of the map.
The game is piss-easy to the point where I was still overleveled compared to every trainer even after completely redoing my team three separate times, and the lack of level scaling is an absolute fucking joke.
I won't touch on the removed features, the terrible graphics, the horrible performance, etc. That's been par for the course since XY or SMish and isn't exclusive to Paldea.

Really, it's all up to personal preference, and for me these games just do absolutely nothing. I can find no good in them without heavy caveats, I couldn't even finish it. I got through the elite 4 and champion and called it quits. Hated my playthrough more than any other, which is a feat considering the last two generations lol. Very glad I pirated it.
If I had to "fix" them, I'd probably shrink the scope down incredibly. Focus on a single region of Spain, try to pack as much cool shit to do as possible in that area, fire every single artist and map designer and start anew. That's just the bare minimum, but hopefully that gets across what I mean by "beyond saving in any respect". Nothing about the execution works for me, and very little of the concept does.

Sorry if I come off kind of mad at it. I've been seething at the bit because I really love this world and still enjoy older games plenty. It sucks to see your favorite franchise get beaten to death, shat on, paraded around as innovative, and then turn around to see everyone else who enjoys it saying this is the best the franchise has been in years. And I have nothing better to do than watch as it burns so lol.

Long autistic sperging aside, tl;dr: concept is bad, execution is worse. I salute you for your efforts and wish you luck regardless
Whoa.

I actually am of the same mind behind regions being based off entire countries instead of sections of one. After all, Portugal is essentially gone.
Hopefully my hack would shrink that emptiness, if only because I am trying to cram an entire country into 2MB.

Even then, I am not sure that I am actually going to code the hack, though. Right now, th is just an intellectual exercize, though I am having fun all the same.
 
Whoa.

I actually am of the same mind behind regions being based off entire countries instead of sections of one. After all, Portugal is essentially gone.
Hopefully my hack would shrink that emptiness, if only because I am trying to cram an entire country into 2MB.

Even then, I am not sure that I am actually going to code the hack, though. Right now, th is just an intellectual exercize, though I am having fun all the same.
hey, even if it's just an exercise, it's good for experience. Good luck with continuing- hopefully it helps you grow somehow, even if it might not come to fruition
and sorry about the paragraph lol, I take this stuff a bit too seriously and it's a problem
 
hey, even if it's just an exercise, it's good for experience. Good luck with continuing- hopefully it helps you grow somehow, even if it might not come to fruition
and sorry about the paragraph lol, I take this stuff a bit too seriously and it's a problem
I respectfully disagree. I actually enjoyed reading the back-and-forth you had and your experiences to me.
Even if I did not, th is the Pokémon Griefing Thread.
 
I respectfully disagree. I actually enjoyed reading the back-and-forth you had and your experiences to me.
Even if I did not, th is the Pokémon Griefing Thread.
I'm flattered, though it really is a bad habit. In some other places i've sperged like this at a moment's notice, and the fact that i'm so passionate about neopets that breathe fire is probably a good reason why I haven't put much effort into more productive hobbies lol (unless you count writing, which I guess could be productive?).
Anyways, I haven't exactly broken that habit yet, so I'm guessing you can probably expect more paragraphs in the future regardless of what happens lol. Just wait until gen 10 comes out and I finally get angry/sad enough to write a trilogy of books extensively detailing how it's bad or something. :P
 
So I finally figured out how to link my Nintendo Switch Account to my 3DS Account so I can merge funds and still buy shit at the 3DS store before it closes at the end of the month. Especially since I know now that we won't be seeing Pokemon Gen 1-3 on the GB Switch Online platform anytime soon.

I downloaded Pokemon Transport but I now can't download Pokemon Bank. Is there a reason? Do I have to download the bank BEFORE I download Transport?

Also, can I use Pokemon Transport/Bank to transfer Pokemon to and from RBY to SGC games on my console? And can I still get the evolution forms of the Pokemon who only evolve via this trading?

I've already got Crystal and Yellow bought but I need to know if it will be worth it/feasible to buy R/B and S/G to get a full Pokedex between the six games? Or if I should just stick to having Yellow and Crystal as far as them being distilled versions of Gen 1 and Gen 2, especially since I never played Yellow/Gold, just Red/Blue and Silver/Gold.
 
I downloaded Pokemon Transport but I now can't download Pokemon Bank. Is there a reason? Do I have to download the bank BEFORE I download Transport?
I thought you couldn't even download Transporter without Bank first. Did they make it available on the eShop separately?
 
So update; I turned off my 3DS and turned it back on and now the Transport app has morphed into the Pokebank. No clue how that happened.

So going back to my original question. If I buy the Virtual Console versions of R/B and S/G, can I move Pokemon from those games and put them into the Pokebank and then move them back into R/B and/or S/G and Yellow/Crystal, so I can do shit like have all three starters in R/B or S/G at the start of the game once I can access the Pokecenter storage boxes?
 
So update; I turned off my 3DS and turned it back on and now the Transport app has morphed into the Pokebank. No clue how that happened.

So going back to my original question. If I buy the Virtual Console versions of R/B and S/G, can I move Pokemon from those games and put them into the Pokebank and then move them back into R/B and/or S/G and Yellow/Crystal, so I can do shit like have all three starters in R/B or S/G at the start of the game once I can access the Pokecenter storage boxes?
No, once you move Pokemon from the VC games, they cannot be moved back. Technically speaking, when you move them from those games, they are being converted to completely new Pokemon entirely because the data structures of gen 1-2 and 3+ are entirely different.

I would imagine it's not impossible to write an algorithm or script that could allow for it to work, but I'm fairly certain GF made it the way it is to avoid as many points of potential data corruption as they could.

Buuuuuut, it is GF, so they could just be lazy assholes.
 
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I think it's a Galar situation, where it's just completely fucked in terms of execution and even mostly in concept.

I've never been a fan of regions that are just an entire country as opposed to a region of one- it makes the world feel smaller, and forces the devs to generalize far more than they would otherwise- and Paldea is even worse than those, with it seemingly being based on the entire Iberian peninsula as opposed to just a part of it, even if it ends up mostly being Spain (Cascaraffa and the big city's main square are very portugal-inspired as far as i'm aware, as well as the town you need to get to in order to beat that awful awful water gym leader).

There's also just the general feel of newer Pokémon that's turned me off of the newer games' worlds that I mentioned, that heavy emphasis on wacky sci-fi as opposed to more subtle theming like even gens 5 or 6 had (which still had this problem), and I hate the dex. I can't say I even like more than 5 new Pokémon, Paradoxes excluded because they're just tweaked reskins of older mon, and that's in the biggest dex we've had since Unova.
A lot of the world is also very empty and bland, with an excess of empty grassy fields that the game tricks you into thinking are heavily populated by scattering items every 2 steps. I can't think of a single landmark outside of the main city's type wheel, or MAYBE those RGBY sprite mosaics in the psychic town.
The gym challenges are a bore, with hardly any of them requiring any thought and most being unrelated to the gym itself (why are you making me do a tutorial for auctions before I can fight the water guy, how does hide and seek correlate to art or streaming in the slightest), along with the designs of the gym leaders being awful. All of the characters are a total eyesore, actually, which contributes a lot...
Even the story sucks shit, with absolutely nothing happening for 90% of it before a big exposition dump and a cool boss battle at the end that does absolutely nothing besides assault you with information and let you listen to the only good music tracks in the game. Not to mention the horribly blatant DLC bait that was the lack of basic character customization, Heath's journal, the big black spot in the top-right of the map.
The game is piss-easy to the point where I was still overleveled compared to every trainer even after completely redoing my team three separate times, and the lack of level scaling is an absolute fucking joke.
I won't touch on the removed features, the terrible graphics, the horrible performance, the needless battle gimmicks, etc. That's been par for the course since XY or SMish and isn't exclusive to Paldea.

Really, it's all up to personal preference, and for me these games just do absolutely nothing. I can find no good in them without heavy caveats, I couldn't even finish it. I got through the elite 4 and champion after completing the other two paths and then called it quits. Hated my playthrough more than any other, which is a feat considering the last two generations lol. Very glad I pirated it.
If I had to "fix" them, I'd probably shrink the scope down incredibly. Focus on a single region of Spain, try to pack as much cool shit to do as possible in that area, fire every single artist and map designer and start anew. That's just the bare minimum, but hopefully that gets across what I mean by "beyond saving in any respect". Nothing about the execution works for me, and very little of the concept does.

Sorry if I come off as kind of mad at it. I've been seething at the bit because I really love this world and still enjoy older games plenty. It sucks to see your favorite franchise get beaten to death, shat on, paraded around as innovative, and then turn around to see everyone else who used to enjoy it saying this is the best the franchise has been in years. And I have nothing better to do than watch as it burns so lol.

Long autistic sperging aside, tl;dr: concept is bad, execution is worse. I salute you for your efforts and wish you luck regardless

Pokemon and open world dont fit together, change my mind. Especially with the developers fucking up the level curve all the time.
Galar is a joke and so is paldea, even the linear routes from Kalos and Alola are better than this mess.
It's just boring, youre travelling through a badly developed toy world you can't deeply interact with.
If this wasn't the case, people wouldn't have had so much fun with the glitches. They are the most interactive feature in Gen 9 overworld.
Pokemon works best with a structured map with a little wiggle room like in Kanto and Johto.
 
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