Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Anonitolia]

35 for one DLC? swsh was 30 for both if i remember right.

You are remembering right lol, they raised the price. Now it's 70 for both instead of 60, so the DLC is actually more expensive than the base game if you get both versions of the game's separate DLCs. I guarantee you it will be even less worth it than SwSh's.

and i thought usum was a cashgrab half a decade ago.

it was, don't worry
the new being so terrible does not excuse the old being bad either, it's why nobody remembers X&Y fondly despite it being in its prime for zoomer nostalgia atm

If you hack a wailord with tatsugiris ability, can dodonzo vore it?

Please do not put such images in my brain sir they disturb me greatly

 

[Fishious Rend]

Wouldnt mind a pokemon card bubble pop at this point. Its clear the majority of people don’t give a shit about it as the funny meme of the day and are only there to inflate prices for everything.

Pokemon cards got way too popular for its own good, i feel like its lost its fun value once people staring making videos about it.
also I love how they are charging more for DLC when the base game was glitchy as is, i was one of the few people who thought DLC was a good idea. leave to Gamefreak to somehow fuck it up, i guess.

 

[Nick Gars]

35 for one DLC? swsh was 30 for both if i remember right.
and i thought usum was a cashgrab half a decade ago.

You are remembering right lol, they raised the price. Now it's 70 for both instead of 60, so the DLC is actually more expensive than the base game if you get both versions of the game's separate DLCs. I guarantee you it will be even less worth it than SwSh's.

Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, but it's $35 for both parts of the DLC, not separately. SwSh was $30 both, but it's the same deal in that your DLC only works on the version you bought it for (which is fucking stupid).

I kinda wish GF (and Nintendo to some extent) got slapped with some kind of "anti-consumer" lawsuit or something to pull their heads out of their ass, because that's exactly what this underhanded "it only for one version" shit is. If the SwSh DLC is anything to go by, the only version differences are encounter tables and a single character being replaced by another, there is ZERO excuse on any technical level for them to be allowed to do this nonsense. Plus, you know, when the biggest franchise in the industry is a-ok with trying to exploit your wallet so blatantly, what message does that set for the rest of the industry that's already scummy as fuck as is? The whole damn industry needs to be burned to the ground and started again, for the second damn time, if I'm being perfectly honest. As much as I love Pokemon, it's about as good of an example as you can get of game companies being exploitive towards their customers.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

pokemon cards got way too popular for its own good, i feel like its lost its fun value once people staring making videos about it.

I blame cr1tikal. Hes the one who gave them the idea to scalp them en-masse in the first place. The whole point of buying individual cards was to complete a deck you had in mind that someone didn't mind parting with for some beer money. Not to launder insane amounts of money that youtube actually does crack down on as "deceptive business practices" according to some vocal vtrannies.

Pokemon has been just pumping out mostly shitty fakemons I don't care about ever since black/white. Sun/moon and ORAS was a brief comeback but so far the switch games besides BDSP have been a disappointment to me that I've watched from the sidelines. Even BDSP was shitty since it also brought all of D/P's problems with it, like unobtainable trade evolutions since theres no reason to pay a subscription for something that has always been free in previous titles, trading online, and not being able to catch the whole pokedex in game with some effort like you could with Sun/moon, which was peak pokemon and the perfected formula outside of the constant story speedbumps.

 

[Fishious Rend]

Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, but it's $35 for both parts of the DLC, not separately. SwSh was $30 both, but it's the same deal in that your DLC only works on the version you bought it for (which is fucking stupid).

I kinda wish GF (and Nintendo to some extent) got slapped with some kind of "anti-consumer" lawsuit or something to pull their heads out of their ass, because that's exactly what this underhanded "it only for one version" shit is. If the SwSh DLC is anything to go by, the only version differences are encounter tables and a single character being replaced by another, there is ZERO excuse on any technical level for them to be allowed to do this nonsense. Plus, you know, when the biggest franchise in the industry is a-ok with trying to exploit your wallet so blatantly, what message does that set for the rest of the industry that's already scummy as fuck as is? The whole damn industry needs to be burned to the ground and started again, for the second damn time, if I'm being perfectly honest. As much as I love Pokemon, it's about as good of an example as you can get of game companies being exploitive towards their customers.

Pokemon legit got lucky it could get away with it, yokai watched died because they tried the same thing among other games that tried the multiple version route, like battle network.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

Pokemon legit got lucky it could get away with it, yokai watched died because they tried the same thing among other games that tried the multiple version route, like battle network.

tbh think thats the reason I never heard of battle network and star force until recently.

 

[Fishious Rend]

tbh think thats the reason I never heard of battle network and star force until recently.

dx patch for starforce is your friend, they get rid of version diffrences among other things.

 

[Anonitolia]

Maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, but it's $35 for both parts of the DLC, not separately

You are, I mean the DLC for both versions of the game and not both parts. If it was both parts there'd be riots in the streets
(also hard agree on the rest of the post)

 

[Executive Petrel]

it was, don't worry
the new being so terrible does not excuse the old being bad either, it's why nobody remembers X&Y fondly despite it being in its prime for zoomer nostalgia atm

Is that so?
XY recently got a popularity boost when the hardcore nuzlocke thing came up in the end of 2021 and content creators discovered they can do a monotype challenge for every single type thanks to Kalos vast encounter table.
The prices for those games also went up from around 15 bucks to like 30 at the secondhand market.
still no good games but stellar in comparison to SwSh and BDSP.

Please do not put such images in my brain sir they disturb me greatly

okay.

Even BDSP was shitty since it also brought all of D/P's problems with it, like unobtainable trade evolutions since theres no reason to pay a subscription for something that has always been free in previous titles, trading online, and not being able to catch the whole pokedex in game with some effort like you could with Sun/moon, which was peak pokemon and the perfected formula outside of the constant story speedbumps.

You mean the GTS still isn't open? That it was just added to the game to be a dead end and then got screwed because masochistic manchildren fans were so flashed about PLA?

 

[Anonitolia]

Is that so?

Yeah- going off the nostalgia cycle, which is typically about a decade or so after release when all the kids who played it are grown up but still young enough to be consistently obnoxious- XY should've had a surge of appreciation for it right about now, like BW did a few years ago. Instead, the closest i've seen is some ORAS reminiscing, or maybe mild praise for a few of gen 6's side features like the PSS or super training. Almost nothing like the outpouring of love for gen 5.
Granted, that might be because it was a significantly less controversial generation, so its fans might just have less of a chip on their shoulders, but even now after most people agree that gen 5 was pretty good its fans are still pretty vocal so I doubt that. At least they're not screeching for unnecessary remakes like the gen 4 kids were. Literally the only good thing BDSP did was make sure that the people asking for more fucking remakes shut up for good.

XY recently got a popularity boost

Not really, no. They were kind of noticed in that """community""", but from what i've seen the general consensus is still that they were shit games and their defenders get weird looks. Personally I think they're shit games solely because they came out unfinished (another year or two in the oven would've done wonders, I think), and I think that's the most positive sentiment I've seen outside of astroturfing trolls on /vp/.
Gen 7 might get some nostalgia because people actually seem to like it apparently, but I bet that gen 8 will be as forgotten/spat on as gen 6 has been. Possibly gen 9 too depending on how the DLC turns out (and if by some miracle GF patches out any bugs, which they haven't done since release, so I HIGHLY doubt that will happen)

You mean the GTS still isn't open? That it was just added to the game to be a dead end and then got screwed because masochistic manchildren fans were so flashed about PLA?

I think BDSP's GTS opened last year, in mid-March.
4 months after release.

 

[Salty Squid]

Is BDSP in a playable state by now? I keep spotting a lot of dirt cheap secondhand copies and have been thinking about snagging one up. But I'm not in the mood for shitloads of bugs and crashes after SV almost bricked my Switch with them.

 

[Archeops]

I blame cr1tikal. Hes the one who gave them the idea to scalp them en-masse in the first place. The whole point of buying individual cards was to complete a deck you had in mind that someone didn't mind parting with for some beer money. Not to launder insane amounts of money that youtube actually does crack down on as "deceptive business practices" according to some vocal vtrannies.

It was actually Logan Paul's fault for causing the obscene levels of scalping that happened back in 2020, his videos showing him buying hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Base Set cards and his general lack of care in terms of researching certain products and cards caused the "investor-aligned" side of the game to balloon to such a point where TPCi (and if the rules and store "lotteries" going on in Japan are any indication, Creatures Inc.) can't print enough cards to meet the demand. There are also rumors of TCGPlayer, one of the bigger second-hand TCG retailers, gaming the system but that's mostly a he-said-she-said sort of thing.

Thankfully TPCi has actually fixed some issues since then but you do have some parts of of the world where it's still hard to find products.

Is BDSP in a playable state by now? I keep spotting a lot of dirt cheap secondhand copies and have been thinking about snagging one up. But I'm not in the mood for shitloads of bugs and crashes after SV almost bricked my Switch with them.

It's playable but it's still mediocre as heck, I haven't played it since PLA dropped.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Late but I really do think they’ve hit the bottom of the barrel at this point. These designs don’t look appealing on any level. I think I prefer when they would attempt to try and give an explanation on how each class has of Pokémon came to be the way they are due to the circumstances of the region they were evolved in. Someone many pages back said that in the Japanese Pokédex’s in some version of the earlier games actually explains how each pokemons properties and designs evolved from the different regions they come from. Does anyone have that particular post or knowledge by any chance?

Either way Happy Pokemon Day kiwis, just remember the good days of the first 4 or five generations and pray we eventually get that Pokémon Colosseum reboot or finally a worthwhile new release. Oh and of course fuck Game Freak and their whole crew.

Happy 27 years!!

 

[Anonitolia]

I really do think they’ve hit the bottom of the barrel at this point

reminder, people thought this with Zygarde 100%
and with Bruxish
and with the Galarian starters
and with Calyrex
it can always get worse
cynicism aside, happy belated pokemon day
I love this world but I hate this franchise. Hopefully someday it actually improves and I can introduce my kids to it with a recent game that isn't total asscancer

 

[Fishious Rend]

It was actually Logan Paul's fault for causing the obscene levels of scalping that happened back in 2020, his videos showing him buying hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Base Set cards and his general lack of care in terms of researching certain products and cards caused the "investor-aligned" side of the game to balloon to such a point where TPCi (and if the rules and store "lotteries" going on in Japan are any indication, Creatures Inc.) can't print enough cards to meet the demand. There are also rumors of TCGPlayer, one of the bigger second-hand TCG retailers, gaming the system but that's mostly a he-said-she-said sort of thing.

Thankfully TPCi has actually fixed some issues since then but you do have some parts of of the world where it's still hard to find products.

It's playable but it's still mediocre as heck, I haven't played it since PLA dropped.

well yeah its just diamond and pearl with no platinum content, and somehow glitchy, i'm still they fucked up BDSP.

 

[Nick Gars]

Is BDSP in a playable state by now? I keep spotting a lot of dirt cheap secondhand copies and have been thinking about snagging one up. But I'm not in the mood for shitloads of bugs and crashes after SV almost bricked my Switch with them.

Patches have pretty much fixed the game, but as Archeops said, it's really mediocre. The only thing I genuinely like about the remakes is not only does the E4 get stronger after you beat them the first time, you can make them even stronger a second time by catching Heatran. Max E4 ain't a joke if you aren't packing several level 100's or legendaries.

Gen 4 is where I really got into Pokemon (competitively speaking), but I definitely wasn't one of the nostalgia blind clamoring for a remake. I replayed an original Diamond during gen 7, and oh my fucking word was it painfully slow and boring (and people try to give USUM shit for the overload of cutscenes but never address this slog). I genuinely could not finish it that time around. BDSP are almost just beat for beat remakes of games that honestly weren't that fun outside of online play with some slight quality of life improvements. It's the definition of "unnecessary" and just served as an excuse to make sure every Pokemon up to Gen 4 was "on the Switch". If you genuinely enjoyed gen 4 it may be worth your time, but that's probably all you'll get out of it.

 

[Executive Petrel]

was funnier when you could glitch to get shaymin and clone pokeyman. i even played the version with the unfinished trainer battle theme.
the fun in bdsp starts at the e4, them and the rematches against the gym leaders are a pretty nice gimmick, also the battle tower with the multi battles against multiple npcs. its a more fleshed out DP without the charm of the og DP and way easier but with a harder E4 challenge and slightly more postgame.
also you could use it to get the cyrus uniform in PLA, that was neat.

never worth 60 bucks tho, grab a ds with vanille dp instead.

 

[Anonitolia]

never worth 60 bucks tho, grab a ds with vanille dp instead.

I would say "or better yet, Platinum" but we all know what COVID did to the secondhand game market

 

[Salty Squid]

It's playable but it's still mediocre as heck, I haven't played it since PLA dropped.

Patches have pretty much fixed the game, but as Archeops said, it's really mediocre. The only thing I genuinely like about the remakes is not only does the E4 get stronger after you beat them the first time, you can make them even stronger a second time by catching Heatran. Max E4 ain't a joke if you aren't packing several level 100's or legendaries.

Yeah, I was already aware it's really mediocre since it's literally just an uglier, more boring DP but it's comforting to know it at least won't cause my console to self-destruct. I'm mostly just tempted by the cheap deals I see for it sometimes like the woman I am.

On the topic of remakes, I don't know what would be funnier to me: If they made the Gen 5 remake just as bad, or if they actually tried to make decent remakes again from now on and BDSP would remain as the odd one out.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Late but I really do think they’ve hit the bottom of the barrel at this point. These designs don’t look appealing on any level.

Like @Anonitolia said, people have been saying that about every pokemon design post gen 5 for the longest. Melodramactic talk and all.

While I understand where those feelings are coming from, at this point, I've come to realize that it's just code for "I don't like these Pokemon" with anything said beyond that just being some form of justification for these feelings. I'm not saying that the modern games are flawless or anything, but the Pokemon designs are far from being the root of the problem.

Everyone has their likes and dislikes, guys. What you find to be unappealing can be the peak of Pokemon design to someone else and vice versa. It's ok to admit that you just don't like the design.