Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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zyclonPD said:
Currently building competitive level Pokémon I've come to a realization, paldea basically suffers from the sinnoh problem. Sinnoh had almost no fire types that were viable for anything and your starter was the best fire type in the game pre end game content.

Paldea has the same problem but with electric types. Basically most the electric types in the game aside from miraidon are hot garbage. Pawmot has some notoriety in terms of use but mainly due to revival blessing, not because its particularly a great electric type. I raised a couple pawmots and currently working on a bellibolt but that's about the best the game offers before Pokémon home integration.
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Yeah, thinking about it now and you have all of Magnezone, Pawmot, Bellibolt, Luxray, Kilowattrel, Pachirisu, Toxtricity, Dedenne (I think?), Elecktross, Jolteon, and of course Miraidon. I think all of two Paradox forms are electric, one for each game. It’s not exactly Sinnoh-Fire bad but there sure isn’t a lot to pick from on a competitive level.

ETA: I take it back. A whole 3 paradox forms have an electric typing- Iron Thorns, Iron Hands, Sandy Shocks. Paldea is teeming with electro LIFE!
 
negativlad said:
Yeah, thinking about it now and you have all of Magnezone, Pawmot, Bellibolt, Luxray, Kilowattrel, Pachirisu, Toxtricity, Dedenne (I think?), Elecktross, Jolteon, and of course Miraidon. I think all of two Paradox forms are electric, one for each game. It’s not exactly Sinnoh-Fire bad but there sure isn’t a lot to pick from on a competitive level.

ETA: I take it back. A whole 3 paradox forms have an electric typing- Iron Thorns, Iron Hands, Sandy Shocks. Paldea is teeming with electro LIFE!
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I'm thinking more about the speed stat. Some of the paradox violet dual types aren't bad but they are slow as hell. Jolteon is always a reliable choice but he's fragile. Most of the electric types I saw when I went through the list team building were pikachu knockoffs. They aren't exactly carrying you through a VGC or 6v6.

There are electric types just you aren't going to live long enough to pop off an attack without eating an earthquake and going down for the count. Comparing it to the Diamond Pearl games is the closest analogy I had. Im just finding it hard to fill that slot with anything worthwhile and I don't want to spent a tera just to pop off the 2-3 electric attacks you need for a match.
 
zyclonPD said:
I'm thinking more about the speed stat. Some of the paradox violet dual types aren't bad but they are slow as hell. Jolteon is always a reliable choice but he's fragile. Most of the electric types I saw when I went through the list team building were pikachu knockoffs. They aren't exactly carrying you through a VGC or 6v6.

There are electric types just you aren't going to live long enough to pop off an attack without eating an earthquake and going down for the count. Comparing it to the Diamond Pearl games is the closest analogy I had. Im just finding it hard to fill that slot with anything worthwhile and I don't want to spent a tera just to pop off the 2-3 electric attacks you need for a match.
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Eelektross would avoid an Earthquake but it'll eat shit in the face of all the non-Spikes hazards flying around and it's a free switch-in for Clodsire which will block Volt Switch and tank anything it could possibly do with it's Good-For-Gen-2 stats. I don't remember if it gets Knock Off this gen, but it likely didn't make the cut. I'd just slap Thunder on anything that could learn it and call it a day.
 
zyclonPD said:
Currently building competitive level Pokémon I've come to a realization, paldea basically suffers from the sinnoh problem. Sinnoh had almost no fire types that were viable for anything and your starter was the best fire type in the game pre end game content.

Paldea has the same problem but with electric types. Basically most the electric types in the game aside from miraidon are hot garbage. Pawmot has some notoriety in terms of use but mainly due to revival blessing, not because its particularly a great electric type. I raised a couple pawmots and currently working on a bellibolt but that's about the best the game offers before Pokémon home integration.
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Rain Kilowattrel boi
 
One major problem with electric types is the lack of good physical STAB moves, to make Luxray, Electivire, Zebstrika, and Eelektross viable.
If only wild charge was as strong as Flare Blitz.


If even Guts can't make a pokemon climb up the latter in competitive, you know there is something wrong.
 
PipTheAlchemist said:
Retarded faggots who like to suck Game Freak's cock like to give the argument of Sinnoh's climate being too cold to support any Fire-Types, outside of Ponyta and Chimchar. Like it excuses the horseshit Pokemon distribution of Diamond and Pearl
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Which reminds me, it's sad that Rapidash has mostly been hot garbage. In gen 1, it's obvious: Fire type with not much going for it = Bad.
Gen 2: Still pretty shitty.
Gen 3: If you can get Baton Pass on it, there's some use for it. Otherwise, it's not much to your team. Too many better fire types.
Gen 4: Introduction of Stealth Rock. Fucking lol.
Gen 5: Power creep, weather wars...lol
Gen 6 and beyond: JUST
Even Galarian Rapidash isn't very special. Too many better options.
Silly me expecting Game Freak to ever balance their Pokemon games. The powercreep keeps piling on.
 
Lucas Silva #4903141 said:
Silly me expecting Game Freak to ever balance their Pokemon games. The powercreep keeps piling on.
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Now to be fair, given the sheer number of pokemon available in the game even in Gen 3, we can't expect every single one to be viable competitively. Especially when legendaries blow most regular mons out the water anyway.

Hell, the battle gimmicks from gen 6 to now were implemented to help bring less popular mons to relevance, but ultimately only served to make the already good mons better.

They're all perfectly viable in the story battles.
 
Lucas Silva #4903141 said:
Which reminds me, it's sad that Rapidash has mostly been hot garbage. In gen 1, it's obvious: Fire type with not much going for it = Bad.
Gen 2: Still pretty shitty.
Gen 3: If you can get Baton Pass on it, there's some use for it. Otherwise, it's not much to your team. Too many better fire types.
Gen 4: Introduction of Stealth Rock. Fucking lol.
Gen 5: Power creep, weather wars...lol
Gen 6 and beyond: JUST
Even Galarian Rapidash isn't very special. Too many better options.
Silly me expecting Game Freak to ever balance their Pokemon games. The powercreep keeps piling on.
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A shame too, because Rapidash is cool as shit
They should at the very least give it some better abilities. Run Away on any fully-evolved Pokemon is a fucking war crime. Replace it with like Reckless, or something. Either that, and/or buff it's mediocre as fuck stats

Funny you mention Rapidash suffering from Gen 5 because of weather wars. Ironically, players were actually experimenting with Rapidash as a counter to weather users. Since it happened to have the perfect movepool to kill all 4 weather-setters. Flare Blitz obviously kills Abomasnow, but Rapidash also had Low Kick to kill Tyranitar, Wild Charge to kill Politoed and Drill Run to kill Ninetales. Of course, Rapidash still wasn't good. Just kinda funny that some players tried to make Rapidash work in Gen 5 OU of all places. Though, Rapidash does have a good movepool for a quadrupedal Pokemon. So it has that going for it, I guess...
 
Time for a new Update on my OR nuzlocke.
I'm at Route 114 now, ready to hit Meteor falls.
After a few unlucky deaths (Slakoth, Voltorb, Zigzagoon, Beautifly, Surskit and Poochyena) against crits from random trainers and Rival 2,
my team looks like this

Machop Lv. 20
Skarmory Lv. 20
Zangoose Lv. 21
Numel Lv. 24
Swellow Lv. 24
Marshtomp Lv. 26

Sadly no MVP Koffing for this run. :(

The Maxie fight on top of Mt. Chimney is the next major obstacle, in the remakes he is pretty nasty.
My team should be around Level 24-27 when i face him.
Taught Marshtomp water pledge over water gun in case Camerupt goes for amnesia on the switch.
The plan is to beat Mightyena with Machop and Zangoose, both equipped with persim berries.
Skarmory has to slowly whittle down Golbat while tanking it's moves.
When the camel get's sent out, Skarmory will bait out a fire move, i switch into marshtomp and win.
If confusion messes me up, there is always a pre-burned Guts Swellow with Facade in the back.
 
Executive Petrel said:
Time for a new Update on my OR nuzlocke.
I'm at Route 114 now, ready to hit Meteor falls.
After a few unlucky deaths (Slakoth, Voltorb, Zigzagoon, Beautifly, Surskit and Poochyena) against crits from random trainers and Rival 2,
my team looks like this

Machop Lv. 20
Skarmory Lv. 20
Zangoose Lv. 21
Numel Lv. 24
Swellow Lv. 24
Marshtomp Lv. 26

Sadly no MVP Koffing for this run. :(

The Maxie fight on top of Mt. Chimney is the next major obstacle, in the remakes he is pretty nasty.
My team should be around Level 24-27 when i face him.
Taught Marshtomp water pledge over water gun in case Camerupt goes for amnesia on the switch.
The plan is to beat Mightyena with Machop and Zangoose, both equipped with persim berries.
Skarmory has to slowly whittle down Golbat while tanking it's moves.
When the camel get's sent out, Skarmory will bait out a fire move, i switch into marshtomp and win.
If confusion messes me up, there is always a pre-burned Guts Swellow with Facade in the back.
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My boy Zangoose. Please tell me you'll do everything to keep this precious kitten alive.
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PipTheAlchemist said:
A shame too, because Rapidash is cool as shit
They should at the very least give it some better abilities. Run Away on any fully-evolved Pokemon is a fucking war crime. Replace it with like Reckless, or something. Either that, and/or buff it's mediocre as fuck stats

Funny you mention Rapidash suffering from Gen 5 because of weather wars. Ironically, players were actually experimenting with Rapidash as a counter to weather users. Since it happened to have the perfect movepool to kill all 4 weather-setters. Flare Blitz obviously kills Abomasnow, but Rapidash also had Low Kick to kill Tyranitar, Wild Charge to kill Politoed and Drill Run to kill Ninetales. Of course, Rapidash still wasn't good. Just kinda funny that some players tried to make Rapidash work in Gen 5 OU of all places. Though, Rapidash does have a good movepool for a quadrupedal Pokemon. So it has that going for it, I guess...
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Honestly, is Rapidash really that bad? Its base stat distribution easily lets it fit the archetype of a glass cannon (and a speedy one at that).

With the kind of type coverage it got overtime along with access to flare blitz, I can see it take down 1-3 pokemon at least before it drops dead. Just slap a focus sash on that bad boy for the extra hit points and you're set.
 
Friendly Primarina said:
My boy Zangoose. Please tell me you'll do everything to keep this precious kitten alive.
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I'm planning to replace the edgy kitten with a special attacker, probably Magneton, but I will ensure to give it the best life it can possibly have. <3

Nauseated Courgi said:
Honestly, is Rapidash really that bad? Its base stat distribution easily lets it fit the archetype of a glass cannon (and a speedy one at that).

With the kind of type coverage it got overtime along with access to flare blitz, I can see it take down 1-3 pokemon at least before it drops dead. Just slap a focus sash on that bad boy for the extra hit points and you're set.
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It's not necessarily bad, there is just a lot of competition, namely Infernape, Arcanine and Darmanitan.
They do the things rapidash does but better.
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
Honestly, is Rapidash really that bad? Its base stat distribution easily lets it fit the archetype of a glass cannon (and a speedy one at that).

With the kind of type coverage it got overtime along with access to flare blitz, I can see it take down 1-3 pokemon at least before it drops dead. Just slap a focus sash on that bad boy for the extra hit points and you're set.
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100 base Attack/SpAttack is extremely mediocre in modern-day Pokemon. Usable, sure, but you'll probably want more if you don't have super powerful moves or any good offensive abilities to back it up. 105 Speed also isn't too great for being Rapidash's highest stat
Also, as Executive Petrel already stated, other Pokemon fill Rapidash's intended role way better. The only thing Rapidash has going for it as a Fire-Type glass cannon is maybe Hypnosis
 
PipTheAlchemist said:
100 base Attack/SpAttack is extremely mediocre in modern-day Pokemon. Usable, sure, but you'll probably want more if you don't have super powerful moves or any good offensive abilities to back it up. 105 Speed also isn't too great for being Rapidash's highest stat
Also, as Executive Petrel already stated, other Pokemon fill Rapidash's intended role way better. The only thing Rapidash has going for it as a Fire-Type glass cannon is maybe Hypnosis
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Base 100? Extremely mediocre? No way. Compared to the starters and legendaries, sure, but Rapidash is a somewhat common pokemon. Base 100 atk with 105 speed may not be meta relevant, but that's nothing to scoff at.

I'd say that's pretty decent, but yeah, there are better options.
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
Base 100? Extremely mediocre? No way. Compared to the starters and legendaries, sure, but Rapidash is a somewhat common pokemon. Base 100 atk with 105 speed may not be meta relevant, but that's nothing to scoff at.

I'd say that's pretty decent, but yeah, there are better options.
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Rapidash evolves at like Level 40. That's pretty late. I expect something a little higher than 100 and 105 being a late-evolving Pokemon's highest stats. The only time Rapidash was ever all that good ingame was in Diamond and Pearl. A game with like two Fire-Types, as mentioned previously in this thread. In every other game Rapidash appears in, you get way better options for Fire-Types way earlier
Of course, not every Pokemon needs to be competitively-viable. It's just a shame that so many Pokemon are poorly-designed from a gameplay perspective, and they almost never get fixed by Game Freak. I could name many examples of poorly-designed Pokemon similar to Rapidash. Especially from earlier gens. It's by no means an issue limited to one Pokemon
 
Executive Petrel said:
A fire/ghost Nightmare would be sick. Spectrier is boring.
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Or hell, even a split-evolution based on the two variants.

The Kantonian variant becomes the Fire/Ghost Coltergeist while the Galarian one becomes the Psychic/Ghost Phantasmare...goria.

I tried.
 
Bunny Tracks said:
Rapidash is one of those 'mons that desperately needs another evolution to make it good.

Imagine if it got one where it turned into a pegasus, and became Fire/Fairy, or something.
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Not even a new evo. Just a few stat boosts and a better ability than Run Away
I'd save the pegasus idea for some kind of regional form. Have it be part-Flying, with Flying-Type STAB moves such as Drill Peck and Brave Bird
 
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