Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Normal/Ghost typing is really interesting. It's basically a straight upgrade of a normal Ghost type (as ghost cancels out Normal's one weakness in Fighting, and Normal cancels out Ghost's self-weakness, so the net is Ghost minus it's ghost weakness.)
It makes sense to debut it on a significant mon, like Zoroark.
 
I've always enjoyed Zorua's design and really disliked Zoruark's. Looks like that trend will continue with these regional variants. It reminds me of an edgy sonic OC.
Not even kidding, they just look like alternative shiny versions. I don't hate them, and I really like their typing, but I just wish they had more things going on with them design-wise.

Like, if they were going for a Shinto-theme, they red should've been more pronounced, and the edges shouldn't look so soft. Also, a sleeker, and less fluffy design would've worked a lot better. Right now, Zoroark just looks like Piers if he was a Pokemon.
 
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Not even kidding, they just look like alternative shiny versions. I don't hate them, and I really like their typing, but I just wish they had more things going on with them design-wise.

Like, if they were going for Shinto-theme, they red should've been more pronounced, and the edges shouldn't look so soft. Also, a sleeker, and less fluffy design would've worked a lot better. Right now, Zoroark just looks like Piers if he was a Pokemon.
I really liked this interpretation on the kitsune-Zoroark idea.
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Normal/Ghost typing is really interesting. It's basically a straight upgrade of a normal Ghost type (as ghost cancels out Normal's one weakness in Fighting, and Normal cancels out Ghost's self-weakness, so the net is Ghost minus it's ghost weakness.)
It makes sense to debut it on a significant mon, like Zoroark.
I think that only really leaves Dark as a weakness - unless I’m missing a weakness somewhere else.

So, how long before Ghost eats a nerf a la Steel after X and Y?
 
Huh, interestingly, I've seen some things of where people were making connections and trying to puzzle it out before the reveal.

Some of them feel completely insane (like 7:06 - 7:07 pm being a reference to their BW dex numbers of 076 and 077)

To me, however, the best and clearest parts are these:

The cameraman guesses it to be a growlithe, then a vulpix - this tells us it's a canine, and likely a fox.

Then it tells us that it's mane and fur on top of it's head is fluffy. The only pokemon to have both a mane and top tuft, and be foxes, are Zorua and Zoroark.

I'm not claiming credit for this, more pointing out the key pieces of evidence in case they do this again.
 
Huh, interestingly, I've seen some things of where people were making connections and trying to puzzle it out before the reveal.

Some of them feel completely insane (like 7:06 - 7:07 pm being a reference to their BW dex numbers of 076 and 077)

To me, however, the best and clearest parts are these:

The cameraman guesses it to be a growlithe, then a vulpix - this tells us it's a canine, and likely a fox.

Then it tells us that it's mane and fur on top of it's head is fluffy. The only pokemon to have both a mane and top tuft, and be foxes, are Zorua and Zoroark.

I'm not claiming credit for this, more pointing out the key pieces of evidence in case they do this again.
They'd never be that specific with time unless it was a hint.
 
So Hisuian Zorua is weak against Regular Zorua.

Also for my shiny story I want you guys to go back to the old times of Gameboy Pockets and piss poor internet forums. Rumors that you can "Find a different Colored Ditto on this route."
So I spend a few hours and batteries searching near the daycare for one such Pokemon. Now mind you I had a Gameboy Pocket Which means no colors except monochrome. So eventually I get tired and decide to give up and spacing out. When just this I think my screen is going dim as an Abra comes into frame. I decide to catch it since as a db kid I avoided it for my dex. Next day I connect it to my transfer pack on Pokemon Stadium and discover that Abra was actually shiny. But since Shiny Abra is so similar to regular Abra I didn't notice till it was a pink Alakazam.
 
The type overlaps for hisuian pokemon is FUCKING KILLING ME

Zoroark and baculegion both ghosts
Wydeer and Zoroark being normal
Braviary and wydeer being psychic
Kleavor and Growlithe being rocks


REEEEEEE
 
I've wanted a normal/ghost type for years. Hopefully it doesn't end up with some bizarre stat spread or a terrible movepool.
I wouldn't worry about the move pool as this is Zoroark and it has a pretty good selection of attacking moves (along with having nasty plot).

As for the stat spread, they'll likely carry over the glass cannon-y stat spread of the original to it with a bit more emphasis on the offensive stats.
 
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I've wanted a normal/ghost type for years. Hopefully it doesn't end up with some bizarre stat spread or a terrible movepool.
Generally speaking, Regionals don't wildly change the stat spread. And for the exceptions, its usually because they had a different (usually better) plan in mind entirely and distinguished the Pokemon as such.

Zoroarks stats are 60 - 105 - 60 - 120 - 60 - 105. So assuming they don't try to reinvent the wheel, we'll probably still have a good sweeper.

Now, the most dramatic single stat changes between a pokemon and it's regionals are:

Darmanitan (Zen Mode) - Attack from 30 to 160

Galarian Zen Mode, rather than trying to change to a defensive form mid-fight, instead becomes an even more aggressive and fragile attack form. This works much better with Darmanitan's build overall, and doesn't require managing two seperate forms. It's undeniably an improvement.

Persian/Perserker - Speed from 115 to 50.

Perserker is basically an entirely new and unrelated Pokemon, and it's stats are wildly different as a result.

G-Meowth - Speed from 90 to 40

As it's evolving to an entirely different pokemon, it's stats undergo similarly drastic shifts to match.

Cofagrigus/Runerigus - Swap attack and special attack, 95 and 50 each.

Again, they're presented as entirely different Pokemon. Not to mention, this doesn't wildly affect their competitive viability, as they just change which attack stat they prefer.

No one else has a stat swing bigger than 30 points. And I'd argue in most cases that the stat swing plays in the Pokemon's favour in the extreme cases.

Not to mention, some don't have their stats change at all.

If I had to take a guess at what the stat change will be, it'll be just swapping the attack and special stats. Perfectly viable, if a bit squishy, but a good type combo will help a lot with that.
 
I... what?
I'm pretty sure if you see a Pokemon in one of the squares, it's not the entire species but whatever one shows up in an anime or something. This is a chart ranking how much a character has suffered vs how much they deserved it (according to /v/). (5,5) means they didn't suffer at all and don't deserve to be, (0, 100) means they (Darkrai here) was a complete asshole but got away with everything, (100, 100) means maximum suffering and they earned their terrible spot. Grovyle and Gardevoir from the Mystery Dungeon series are given perfect spots on this chart, imo.
 
I'm pretty sure if you see a Pokemon in one of the squares, it's not the entire species but whatever one shows up in an anime or something. This is a chart ranking how much a character has suffered vs how much they deserved it (according to /v/). (5,5) means they didn't suffer at all and don't deserve to be, (0, 100) means they (Darkrai here) was a complete asshole but got away with everything, (100, 100) means maximum suffering and they earned their terrible spot. Grovyle and Gardevoir from the Mystery Dungeon series are given perfect spots on this chart, imo.
Okay, but doing some basic maths, there is 400 of these fucking things. Something like this really needs like a list of the characters and their placement reasons or something.
WTF did Chesnaught do, and how tf did he suffer

The type overlaps for hisuian pokemon is FUCKING KILLING ME

Zoroark and baculegion both ghosts
Wydeer and Zoroark being normal
Braviary and wydeer being psychic
Kleavor and Growlithe being rocks


REEEEEEE
Yeah, while other regional forms and equivalents had overlaps, with Alola having a similar number, they werent anywhere near so tightly packed.
With that said... every single type these Pokemon have is justified by their strong thematic relationship to the region and time period, or have the potential to disadvantage the pokemon (making Wyrdeer Ice would lose it's ghost immunity and pile on a heap of weaknesses). I think I'm okay with them sacrificing variety among the regional newbies for thematic appropriateness.
 
Okay, but doing some basic maths, there is 400 of these fucking things. Something like this really needs like a list of the characters and their placement reasons or something.
Maths really doesn't factor into it, and the chart is a meme format (there's an /a/ version and ones for specific anime casts). The increments of 5 are just arbitrary, I've been out of the Pokemon scene for years but I can look at that chart, knowing the meme, and know that whoever is at (100,100) is a total bastard of a character but probably got an entertaining asskicking for it. The characters chosen are just whoever /vp/ finds the most memorable, nobody will bother doing every single character.

edit: A list like that would be useful but if you don't know who they are (like I don't even know what species that red bird at 100,100 is) it's not really important, it's just for fun and not like a really autistic 4chan-approved rating
 
I'm pretty sure if you see a Pokemon in one of the squares, it's not the entire species but whatever one shows up in an anime or something. This is a chart ranking how much a character has suffered vs how much they deserved it (according to /v/). (5,5) means they didn't suffer at all and don't deserve to be, (0, 100) means they (Darkrai here) was a complete asshole but got away with everything, (100, 100) means maximum suffering and they earned their terrible spot. Grovyle and Gardevoir from the Mystery Dungeon series are given perfect spots on this chart, imo.

I like that sonichu is on there for some reason.
 
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