Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Danann said:
I'd started to believe that the Ultra versions were actually not intended to be released as new, full-priced games, but as cheaper DLC (about 15-20 bucks) featuring all of the new bits and bobs as post-game content, as well as the other additions to the regional Alola dex and the move tutor/Mantine Surfing. The latter 2 would be available in the game even without DLC, therefore giving it new blood.

But that didn't happen as TPC weren't so keen on DLC at the time since they skipped out on Gen 6's "definitive edition" and wanted to see if they could do the BW2 formula, so they were forced to be updated with a butchered story shoehorning in the post-game content and pretending its a "alternate universe" while also charging 40 bucks for what is essentially the same game but a bit worse.
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I don't doubt Game Freak's own greed and laziness, but what you said would've made far more sense.

I'm still enough a fan of Alola I would've loved to see it become absolutely beloved without any of the usual GF/TPC idiocy plaguing it, though what it DID get in retrospect was pretty great: attention both for riding GO's popularity and the 20th anniversary, being the DS and full-dex's swan song, a decently beloved set of new mons outside starter controversies (and those have been vindicated in popularity, IMO), Movie 20 being the biggest success in Pokemon films in a long time and since, a fantastic anime season ending in Ash finally becoming champion. And remember I said in retrospect, because everyone remembers at the time it was a seeming drop down in excitement, game quality, designs, etc. from Gens III-V at the time. Funny how that works out, huh?
 
Mayor Cody Travers said:
I don't doubt Game Freak's own greed and laziness, but what you said would've made far more sense.

I'm still enough a fan of Alola I would've loved to see it become absolutely beloved without any of the usual GF/TPC idiocy plaguing it, though what it DID get in retrospect was pretty great: attention both for riding GO's popularity and the 20th anniversary, being the DS and full-dex's swan song, a decently beloved set of new mons outside starter controversies (and those have been vindicated in popularity, IMO), Movie 20 being the biggest success in Pokemon films in a long time and since, a fantastic anime season ending in Ash finally becoming champion. And remember I said in retrospect, because everyone remembers at the time it was a seeming drop down in excitement, game quality, designs, etc. from Gens III-V at the time. Funny how that works out, huh?
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I've seen a few /vp/ threads meme about this: generation sucks at start, people ponder over it next gen, reevaulate it next gen after that, and then is beloved 3 generations later...though it seems this meme is really shaky.
 
Danann said:
I've seen a few /vp/ threads meme about this: generation sucks at start, people ponder over it next gen, reevaulate it next gen after that, and then is beloved 3 generations later...though it seems this meme is really shaky.
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Was thinking of that, in fact! I'm old enough to remember when people proclaimed Pokemon ruined with Gen III and even data-miners wondering why all the mons were in the data of Hoenn but not available.... till news of the remakes came out. The Dexit of the day.

I think people are catching on to this meme and the fact that there really IS an actual drop in quality for the gameplay, though. Including reactions to lots of mon or human designs ranging from controversial to apathetic instead of awesome, or the usual musical chair rotation of features added in or out to make each gen "unique", it's obvious even normies are catching on the games are becoming unpolished and GF is burnt out on Pokemon.

But unfortunately, nothing can stop the juggernaut, as the comic book quote goes. So too for Pokemon.
 
Mayor Cody Travers said:
Was thinking of that, in fact! I'm old enough to remember when people proclaimed Pokemon ruined with Gen III and even data-miners wondering why all the mons were in the data of Hoenn but not available.... till news of the remakes came out. The Dexit of the day.

I think people are catching on to this meme and the fact that there really IS an actual drop in quality for the gameplay, though. Including reactions to lots of mon or human designs ranging from controversial to apathetic instead of awesome, or the usual musical chair rotation of features added in or out to make each gen "unique", it's obvious even normies are catching on the games are becoming unpolished and GF is burnt out on Pokemon.

But unfortunately, nothing can stop the juggernaut, as the comic book quote goes. So too for Pokemon.
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Aye you hit it on the head. Game Freak, contrary to what most people believe, are actually an independent company that happens to be a big partner with Nintendo and thus have made games other than Pokemon, even on different systems....problem is that the games they made that aren't Pokemon are mostly at the bottom of their game resume, even with Toby Fox on their Little Town Hero work and even some references to Pokemon in them (and vice versa even, at least with Pulseman).

I think they're also not relatively well-received either from what I heard. Not godawful, but not great either....but if they're honest about them, then Pokemon is usually given exaggerated scores by some haggling and bribery. That's probably why they're putting all of their eggs in their Project Bloom basket. I can tell they actually had some interesting ideas for Gen 9, too, but like you said, burnout happened but also Nintendo and the TPC need that constant cashflow because they never heard of a "cool off period".

God sometimes I hate Japan and their toxic work culture.
 
Celebrate Nite said:
That's my other gripe with Gen6

>Hey, you know that snake dragon thing? yea turns out he can become a transformer if you collect enough of his cells roaming around the place!
Oh shit fucking sweet! How can we get him?
<IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT REGION IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GENERATION
o.... oh.... o.. k...
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This autism continued into gen 7 with that same pokemon being a more complex and retarded looking take on Deoxys. Which should have gotten more forms instead of the shiny white/green nanomachine snake they gave away one time during the year of legendary pokemon about a decade ago now. Zygarde is shinylocked btw and this was the only legit way to get a shiny version. shinylocking was one of the most retarded decisions TPCI ever made.
 
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Zero MK 2 said:
This autism continued into gen 7 with that same pokemon being a more complex and retarded looking take on Deoxys. Which should have gotten more forms instead of the shiny white/green nanomachine snake they gave away one time during the year of legendary pokemon about a decade ago now. Zygarde is shinylocked btw and this was the only legit way to get a shiny version. shinylocking was one of the most retarded decisions TPCI ever made.
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Shinylocking seems to have been pushed hard as of recently, as I guess it might some retarded reason because "its not lore-accurate for some mons to be shiny" but really its just to push for more in-person events (because what's the point of having online distribution again?) and mostly as a way to detect hackers and to permanently punish them for doing a bad thing that the company didn't like oh no.....and yet they're poorly managing the amount of injected teams in their tournaments.
 
Danann said:
I'd started to believe that the Ultra versions were actually not intended to be released as new, full-priced games, but as cheaper DLC (about 15-20 bucks) featuring all of the new bits and bobs as post-game content, as well as the other additions to the regional Alola dex and the move tutor/Mantine Surfing. The latter 2 would be available in the game even without DLC, therefore giving it new blood.

But that didn't happen as TPC weren't so keen on DLC at the time since they skipped out on Gen 6's "definitive edition" and wanted to see if they could do the BW2 formula, so they were forced to be updated with a butchered story shoehorning in the post-game content and pretending its a "alternate universe" while also charging 40 bucks for what is essentially the same game but a bit worse.
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I can buy it being a reconstituted post-game DLC, it would explain why the dragon boss is so tough.
Danann said:
God sometimes I hate Japan and their toxic work culture.
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Gamefreak especially wants to be Japanese Ubisoft. Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom were delayed at least a year past their original release dates and got lots of acclaim and praise. I'm one of the people who thinks ToTK has glaring flaws but that Gmod mechanic is impressive and they obviously spent a lot of time refining it to make sure it wasn't a buggy mess, something Gamefreak would never do.
 
Xerxes IX said:
I can buy it being a reconstituted post-game DLC, it would explain why the dragon boss is so tough.

Gamefreak especially wants to be Japanese Ubisoft. Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom were delayed at least a year past their original release dates and got lots of acclaim and praise. I'm one of the people who thinks ToTK has glaring flaws but that Gmod mechanic is impressive and they obviously spent a lot of time refining it to make sure it wasn't a buggy mess, something Gamefreak would never do.
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I'm on the side that Game Freak is forced to become that on the behalf of The Pokemon Company's draconian policies. Clearly it looks like a game that should've taken at least another 2 years since Game Freak, even today, is still relatively undersized.
 
Danann said:
Shinylocking seems to have been pushed hard as of recently, as I guess it might some retarded reason because "its not lore-accurate for some mons to be shiny" but really its just to push for more in-person events (because what's the point of having online distribution again?) and mostly as a way to detect hackers and to permanently punish them for doing a bad thing that the company didn't like oh no.....and yet they're poorly managing the amount of injected teams in their tournaments.
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They know damn well that 80% of players gen their teams.
 
AnotherPleb said:
They know damn well that 80% of players gen their teams.
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True, but still the aggressive amount of shiny-locking recently is retarded and should be dialed back immensely. I can understand locking story-related mons, but everything else feels like a deliberate fuck you to every shiny hunter because I guess you're being punished for playing the game "the wrong way".
EDIT: Should've mentioned that this started back in Gen 8 when they shiny-locked the gift mons, like the starters because oh no it break immersion.
 
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Danann said:
True, but still the aggressive amount of shiny-locking recently is retarded and should be dialed back immensely. I can understand locking story-related mons, but everything else feels like a deliberate fuck you to every shiny hunter because I guess you're being punished for playing the game "the wrong way".
EDIT: Should've mentioned that this started back in Gen 8 when they shiny-locked the gift mons, like the starters because oh no it break immersion.
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At this point they might just cut out shinies altogether from Gen 10. They cut out the National Dex, they cut out Megas, they cut out Gems/Z-Crystals, they even cut out random moves like Pursuit or Hidden Power, who is going to stop them? Hell, who will complain, nobody at Nintendo cares about shiny hunters.
 
30+GameOvers said:
At this point they might just cut out shinies altogether from Gen 10. They cut out the National Dex, they cut out Megas, they cut out Gems/Z-Crystals, they even cut out random moves like Pursuit or Hidden Power, who is going to stop them? Hell, who will complain, nobody at Nintendo cares about shiny hunters.
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You underestimate how autistic the pokemon fanbase is.
 
In the meantime, Niantic tried to restore the hips of female avatars in pokemon go
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The result is best described as coomer fanart
 
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In the meantime, Niantic tried to restore the hips of female avatars in pokemon go
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I don't know what's more pathetic: That they went thru with the change, that they thought it would go smoothly with the fanbase, or that they're too incompetent to revert the changes now that they know everybody hates them
What a useless company, glad I never got into GO.
 
Danann said:
I'm on the side that Game Freak is forced to become that on the behalf of The Pokemon Company's draconian policies.
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wat

TPC is just a company the three holders of the Pokémon IP (Nintendo, Game Freak, Creatures) founded to make collaboration and handling the franchise easier. While the three companies work together, I don't think any one of them has authority.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pokémon_Company
 
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