Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Grayback]

You DID catch a shiny Fuecoco during the Pokémon Go event today, right?

 

[Noxe]

Played both sword and violet. I had enough fun with sword to bother buying the dlc. Violet I didn't even bother with dlc. Not that I have a point to play them. Pokemon stories aren't the best and S/V didn't add much of any new mon outside the legendaries and a mythical. At least sword bothered to make new gmax, new regionals, etc.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Played both sword and violet. I had enough fun with sword to bother buying the dlc. Violet I didn't even bother with dlc. Not that I have a point to play them. Pokemon stories aren't the best and S/V didn't add much of any new mon outside the legendaries and a mythical. At least sword bothered to make new gmax, new regionals, etc.

Stockholm Syndrome within the Pokemon community over handing 70$ for cut content "because it was good!" will never cease to crack me up.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

Stockholm Syndrome within the Pokemon community over handing 70$ for cut content "because it was good!" will never cease to crack me up.

Shit on Gen 9 as we all do, it deserves it for the state that game launched and debatably is still in - I haven't played in over a year, can't comment on the latter -, but I thought the DLC was fine. Not Amazing, but Fine at the absolute best. Granted I say that because someone bought me the DLC Pass as a gift, so I had no real skin in the game and thus my expectations were comically low.

The only real upshot to Pokémon adopting the DLC model is that the DLC Pass is generally cheaper than the Third Version. The bar is in fact that low for this series.

 

[anliteralidiot]

Also, I really have to ask: have you played either of these games to completion?

I have played Sword to completion, and I have played both Scarlet and Violet to main story completion, and I've finished the whole DLC for Violet.

Scarlet and Violet are more fun to me. I even challenged myself for Scarlet by only using shinies I encountered.

 

[30+GameOvers]

The only real upshot to Pokémon adopting the DLC model is that the DLC Pass is generally cheaper than the Third Version. The bar is in fact that low for this series.

That is false, the third version is always a better deal. Why? Simple, another save slot. It's another game you can nuzlocke, another game you can capture that one-per-playthru legendary in, another playthru to max out your online rank or battle facility rank, another however many PC slots for your Pokemon, another daycare you can breed and another game you can shiny hunt in at the same time(if you have another DS with you). All that on top of the bonuses and extra content that wasn't there in the base versions. DLC as it was handled is just content that should have been there since day one, it adds nothing substantial. What was there in the two SwSh DLCs either should have been there from the start(following Pokemon, extra Pokemon that weren't there at launch) or should have been free post game material. The actual post game is a joke, yet another thing that the GC games have done better over 20 years ago.
At the very least, SV DLCs give you a brand new region to explore, which adds up to more content and playtime. If you're going to have DLC at all, this is how it should be handled.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

That is false, the third version is always a better deal. Why? Simple, another save slot. It's another game you can nuzlocke, another game you can capture that one-per-playthru legendary in, another playthru to max out your online rank or battle facility rank, another however many PC slots for your Pokemon, another daycare you can breed and another game you can shiny hunt in at the same time(if you have another DS with you). All that on top of the bonuses and extra content that wasn't there in the base versions. DLC as it was handled is just content that should have been there since day one, it adds nothing substantial. What was there in the two SwSh DLCs either should have been there from the start(following Pokemon, extra Pokemon that weren't there at launch) or should have been free post game material. The actual post game is a joke, yet another thing that the GC games have done better over 20 years ago.
At the very least, SV DLCs give you a brand new region to explore, which adds up to more content and playtime. If you're going to have DLC at all, this is how it should be handled.

I never said it was a proper replacement for the third version, I just said it was cheaper, and thus literally the only upside. Again, the bar is hilariously fucking low, and that's all they manage to clear.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I never said it was a proper replacement for the third version, I just said it was cheaper, and thus literally the only upside. Again, the bar is hilariously fucking low, and that's all they manage to clear.

It's not "cheaper", both DLCs cost the same as one full game. Oh, and they don't share versions, ie if you buy Sword and it's DLC, you need to buy the DLC again for Shield.
Pokemon fans are the dumbest consoomerist cattle in the industry for letting Gamefreak get away with this, even worse than gacha whales. At least their games last more than a year.

 

[The Cum Beast]

Shit on Gen 9 as we all do, it deserves it for the state that game launched and debatably is still in - I haven't played in over a year, can't comment on the latter -, but I thought the DLC was fine. Not Amazing, but Fine at the absolute best. Granted I say that because someone bought me the DLC Pass as a gift, so I had no real skin in the game and thus my expectations were comically low.

The only real upshot to Pokémon adopting the DLC model is that the DLC Pass is generally cheaper than the Third Version. The bar is in fact that low for this series.

I feel like the main reason people have a soft spot for third versions is solely because of platinum. Emerald to a lesser extent is also a reason for this opinion but even though emerald is significantly better than ruby and sapphire, better gym leader teams, rematches, battle frontier, safari zone extensions, etc, you're still getting a pretty solid experience with RS.

Platinum on the other hand was the only third version I believe was truly required. Diamond and Pearl are way worse than most people remember, slow, horribly pokedex, bland locations, horrible npc teams (hope you enjoying seeing geodude 9001 times). However platinum fixed all of that, added all new evos to be obtainable in the main story, face-lifted areas like eterna forest to look more alive, gave the gym leaders pokemon that fit their type and gave random npcs more varied pokemon like hikers having the occasional rhyhorn or nosepass rather than 5 million geodudes. 50 Or so extra pokemon may not seem like much but it really does when comparing Platinum to DP.

IMO Platinum turned DP from THE worst games in the entire mainline series (yes worse than any of the switch games or the first 2 gens) to my second favourite. If platinum next existed, I genuinely think DP and sinnoh would eventually get a worse reception than XY, SwSh, SV does or even what BW got at launch.

No matter how much I love platinum and emerald, I'll still admit that third versions are kinda scummy and it's Gamefreak's fault for not making a finished product in the first place. I'm personally fine with dlcs because let's be honest here, if they kept making third versions they'd probably make two of them like what they did with USUM and they'd somehow have less differences to the base game than yellow did (though naming them something like ultra sword or ultra scarlet would be kinda funny),

 

[30+GameOvers]

Diamond and Pearl are way worse than most people remember, slow, horribly pokedex, bland locations, horrible npc teams (hope you enjoying seeing geodude 9001 times).

I think it has it's charm, only problem it really had for me was how slow it was and the lack of fire types. You are right that Platinum is 100% better and how the game should have shipped, but same could be said for Emerald and the Ultras as well.

No matter how much I love platinum and emerald, I'll still admit that third versions are kinda scummy and it's Gamefreak's fault for not making a finished product in the first place. I'm personally fine with dlcs because let's be honest here, if they kept making third versions they'd probably make two of them like what they did with USUM and they'd somehow have less differences to the base game than yellow did (though naming them something like ultra sword or ultra scarlet would be kinda funny),

Again, this argument would only work if the DLC worked for both versions. It doesn't, so even what Ultras did, with two third-versions, is better since at least you're getting a brand new savefile for the same amount of money(you're not just going to buy one DLC, you will buy both).

 

[Punished Magician]

What if: that Gardevoir plush wore that military gear over there?

It's too polite to turn down an invitation for dinner, but it knows better than to visit a lonely otaku alone without being armed to the teeth.

That is false, the third version is always a better deal. Why? Simple, another save slot.

Nigger that's been free since the move to the switch, just make another profile. You can even transfer between them all using Home. Calling people consumer cattle while saying you'd rather pay full price for another save slot—something most game series give you like 3 of for free—is fucking retarded.

The actual post game is a joke,

Look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that Diamond/Pearl's postgame is any different from vanilla SwSh's. You get a battle facility and get to catch a few stray legendaries, and anything else is a footnote.

another game you can capture that one-per-playthru legendary in

>being bribed with artificially scarce digital goods
They could spend 5 minutes to add everything from Azelf to Arceus to the route 1 encounter tables, and then make Bidoof a 'legendary' with only one per save file and disable breeding and trading it over from older games to enforce this. It is not worth money, its rarity is completely arbitrary. Just clone it—and I say this as someone so hyperautistic about not wanting illegitimate mons that I basically never trade because I don't know where the other mon came from—just fucking clone it if the alternative is spending $40 for a single extra. Is the DLC suddenly a good deal because it gives you dozens of leggos and a previously event-exclusive mon? Is BDSP a good remake for giving you two? No.

If someone came in here and mentioned how they bought Shin Megami Tensei V full price on launch and then bought the enhanced version a couple years later for the same full price on launch and went on about how happy they were at the fact that they had to buy a whole new game just to get the 'full' experience... everyone would call them a retard, and rightly so. Don't be that retard. Third versions are only good if it's the first game you buy that gen, not if it's a repurchase.

The fact is, no matter what method GF is trying to squeeze more money out of you with, the additional content basically never justifies the numbers on the price tag. You're counting the corn kernels in two turds and trying to say that one having slightly more than the other means it's edible. Until the price goes down and/or the quality goes up, none of it is good value.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Nigger that's been free since the move to the switch, just make another profile

Why don't the games still not offer several saves in one game in the current year of our lord?
This argument doesn't work since I could also just get a flashcart on my DS and have theoretically infinite saves. We're talking about value of a proper update release, a full game, vs a 2-3 hour DLC that should have been part of the main game. Making another profile on your switch doesn't solve the content drought issue. If we didn't have Platinum, I would just have a dozen Diamond and Pearl saves.
Look at all the nothing you wrote just to defend 35$ DLC, which adds up to a second game if you buy both of them. This is what Gamefreak did to people, this is why anyone that defends SwSh will never be taken seriously.

 

[Punished Magician]

holy shit nigger did you flunk kindergarten english or something?

Why don't the games still not offer several saves in one game in the current year of our lord?

I just said they did because every game on the switch (besides animal crossing) does. You are illiterate.

This argument doesn't work since I could also just get a flashcart on my DS and have theoretically infinite saves.

Oh, you could do that by BUYing something? Guess what? You don't need to buy SHIT to do it on switch, it's a built in feature of the system. Just go into settings, spend 15 fucking seconds making a new user, and it can play literally ALL of your games, for free, with its own save files for each, no repurchase or extra account needed, both cartridge or digital, you can make like two fucking dozen of them. You are illiterate and did not read my post. If you're saying that we should've had multiple save files to begin with because every other game already does that... Guess what? That's what I just fucking said in my first post, which you did not read, because you are an illiterate retard.

How can you simultaneously make the arguments "3rd games are good because it's bonus content instead of shit that you should've had from the start" and "Buy it for an extra save file, which we should've had from the fucking start"????? These two points literally contradict each other, if one of the selling points is shit we shouldn't need to pay for. Are you so illiterate you don't even read your own posts? (yes, you are)

We're talking about value of a proper update release, a full game, vs a 2-3 hour DLC that should have been part of the main game.

Nigger most of that game is what you already played. Most of that price tag is for the parts of the game you already played, new content is not the majority. You are paying full game price for less than a full game of "new" content, so you are getting ripped off.

Look at all the nothing you wrote just to defend 35$ DLC,

I called it bad value and compared it to a turd. You are an illiterate retard and did not read the post you responded to.

this is why anyone that defends SwSh

I "defended" it by using it as an example of a barren postgame and calling its DLC shit? You are illiterate and a retard.

What is it with ESLs and smugposting in reply to posts by agreeing with half of it and pretending the original post said something else? Either way, you've failed your English fluency test, and your visa application has been rejected. Please get some rest, or put the bottle down, or whatever is ailing your mind, and brush up on your English skills before the next time you hit Reply, because your posts are consistently some of the most retarded in this thread due to your severe lack of reading comprehension. I hereby sentence you to read a fucking book, nigger.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

Releasing the same game three to four times with tiny differences and QOL upgrades you could've included in a single version has always been jewish behavior, and Pokemon fans always get defensive when you remind them that paying $40+ twice for the same game with two coats of paint isn't normal.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Releasing the same game three to four times with tiny differences and QOL upgrades you could've included in a single version has always been jewish behavior, and Pokemon fans always get defensive when you remind them that paying $40+ twice for the same game with two coats of paint isn't normal.

In a way I get it, and in a way I don't.

It made sense in 1998 to do version exclusives because one of the main features of the games is trading with other people (or just interacting with other people in general), and due to limited hardware, you really couldn't do that other than IRL face to face with a link cable.

Now though? You can communicate with anyone anywhere online, not to mention you have a bank system that holds prior games pokemon for you, so the whole version exclusivity is kinda lost. Regarding SV, I appreciate they tried to do something unique with the version exclusives by doing a whole "Past/Future" thing, but even then, it could have been a whole game where you pick one time period and then do something like go to the other time period post-game or something.

 

[Coldsteel the Hedgehog]

In a way I get it, and in a way I don't.

It made sense in 1998 to do version exclusives because one of the main features of the games is trading with other people (or just interacting with other people in general), and due to limited hardware, you really couldn't do that other than IRL face to face with a link cable.

Now though? You can communicate with anyone anywhere online, not to mention you have a bank system that holds prior games pokemon for you, so the whole version exclusivity is kinda lost. Regarding SV, I appreciate they tried to do something unique with the version exclusives by doing a whole "Past/Future" thing, but even then, it could have been a whole game where you pick one time period and then do something like go to the other time period post-game or something.

Paradox mons encouraging trading would have worked better if almost every single future form wasn't absolute dogshit.

 

[Executive Petrel]

The starter choices for Z-A…oh god how do i put this into words

Yeah where are muh buddies bulbasaur charmander and squirtle? Cmon gamefreak

 

[Squawking Macaw]

It made sense in 1998 to do version exclusives because one of the main features of the games is trading with other people (or just interacting with other people in general), and due to limited hardware, you really couldn't do that other than IRL face to face with a link cable.

It's one of those things that's understandable in the first installment of a franchise but not so much 30 years later. Do I believe they came up with different versions to encourage trading? Yes. Do I believe that's still the main reason why they do it? lolno.

I agree that if they want to keep doing separate versions of the same game then they need to add more differences than just a couple of different Pokemon and aesthetic changes. I propose the story. Like for example, there's no reason why powering a WMD with a Pokemon that can grant eternal life has the exact same effect as powering it up with a Pokemon that can make everyone around it drop dead.

Gen 5 had many version differences, not just Pokemon but entire places, songs, and a bunch of tiny details most people wouldn't notice, and even then it wasn't enough. N does the exact same things in Black and in White, yet in one game he gains the favor of the god of ideals and in the other he gains the favor of the god of truth. Well, which one is it? It ends up making Black feel like the canon game as N is clearly an idealist. The versions should have more story differences than just swapping some names and characters, it'd be a legitimate reason to buy the other version.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Technically, Touhoumon?

there sure are a lot of touhous



(maybe as many as pocket-mons?)

 

[anliteralidiot]

there sure are a lot of touhous



(maybe as many as pocket-mons?)

That's not even all of them.
But yeah, I think there's 180ish, in total.

I feel like the main reason people have a soft spot for third versions is solely because of platinum.

And Crystal! Adding in those little animations, and a reason to hunt the breasts was fun.

Diamond and Pearl are way worse than most people remember, slow, horribly pokedex, bland locations, horrible npc teams (hope you enjoying seeing geodude 9001 times)

Seriously, I almost stopped playing Pokemon all-together because Diamond and Pearl sucked. I've never played Platinum.