PIllowfort - For people who find Tumblr too triggering

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YumonStudios said:
I think I should make a blog saying that transgenderism is a mental disorder, and safe spaces suck on this website.
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Your plan relies entirely on them not deleting your blog as soon as they find it (they will) and on them actually making this site (they won't).
 
There's so many red flags about this thing, I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I've seen a few people saying "Oh! This is gonna be the Dreamwidth to Tumblr's Live Journal!". Except, no, DW was an alternative because of piss-poor business decisions that LJ made over the course of time. Largely ones that raised the hackles of role-players and fandom communities. DW never really took off the way most people involved at the time were expecting-or hoping-and by the time LJ finally shot off what was left of its feet, all the fandom-minded folks practically left for Tumblr, and all that remained of LJ was... Oh No They Didn't. Meanwhile, Dreamwidth's pretty much been languishing since then.

PillowFort, OTOH, is something made to further insulate SJWs into even tighter hugboxes for no real discernible reason. Whereas DW kind of does its own thing, I just don't see PillowFort ending well, period. Claiming that "hate speech" will be banned is one thing. But when and where exactly will this policy be enforced? What if, say, a well-meaning and not-assholish religious person makes a few positive, uplifting posts and shares innocuous Scripture quotes? Would someone who hates that stuff consider it hate speech and thus try to get that person banned? What about someone who says, in the politest of ways, they don't like X movie or care for Y activity, and then some thin-skinned doorknob considers that "hateful speech"? (I realize I'm probably jumping to extremes, but I've seen people flip their shit because of stuff like that in the past)

That's not getting into the whole thing about groups, either. I just do not see that ending well, either, and I saw some shit go down on LJ back in the day. Ughhhh. With Tumblr-style ultra-overreaction culture, it's not even going to be the funny point-and-laugh wank like it used to be.

Another big red flag is, upon reading the Q&As with users, I get the impression they're trying too hard to please everyone. You can't please everyone. It's impossible. Given all the requests/demands I've seen, it'll be a wonder if this damn idea even gets off the ground in the alpha testing stages. And if by some stroke of dumb luck it does? I give it a year, year and a half, tops, before it crumbles to abandoned dust like all the old LJ knock-off sites (that sprung up as also knee-jerk reactions to dumb business decisions) did during that site's "golden" years.
 
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I saw this on my dashboard a while back, and I actually got excited- completely ignoring the name.
If this ever gets made, and with all the features planned, I feel like it would be pretty useful. That's a big if, but for argument's sake, let's pretend it happens.
While almost all the features can be used for SJW purposes, they could also prevent the average user from being unnecessarily harassed by said community.

For example, editing posts and having all reblogs show the edit does allow clarification. There are plenty of situations where one user slanders another user (calls them a pedophile/white person/cis/etc), and the post gets reblogged by thousands of people. However, a few days later, the same person apologizes for their original post and attempts to clear the other user's name. The way tumblr works, however, means that people will most likely see the first post on their dashboard, never get the second post, and continue believing some lie. To avoid blatant backtracking, it might be nice for edited posts to be either an addendum only, or have a link to previous versions. That isn't what's proposed currently, but IMO, it's still better than tumblr's current system.

Deleting posts with reblogs sounds silly, but I'm assuming it's for the same purpose of getting people off your ass because you drew Rose Quartz one shade too light. I think that editing your posts is enough.

Blacklisting tags is something I sorely wish tumblr had, and it is because of the format. Stuff is delivered to your dashboard from people you watch, regardless of common interests. I could have a friend who loves Undertale, and I could just be sick of seeing Undertale- but still want to see the rest of the stuff they reblog. It isn't necessarily that people are triggered. It's that not having blacklisted tags detracts from the purpose of a dashboard, which is a frontpage of things you enjoy looking at. I've had friends who download xkit simply so that they can get rid of as much SJW bullshit posts as they can from their favorite artists.

I would assume that whitelisting tags, ie, making all posts under them appear on your dash, helps the same way; its main purpose is just to help you find material you enjoy.

And of course, communities sound useful. Abusable, but useful.

Even though all these features can be abused by SJW's, I'm not sure if they're entirely catered towards them. Briar Nexus/Haven/whatever it was called had a much heavier emphasis on being a complete SJW hugbox. Pillowfort, to me, seems a bit more focused on keeping various user groups separate (SJW's, average users, anti-SJW's, that weird daddy dom community) so that they don't bother each other and boil into drama.
 
SentinelValue said:
I saw this on my dashboard a while back, and I actually got excited- completely ignoring the name.
If this ever gets made, and with all the features planned, I feel like it would be pretty useful. That's a big if, but for argument's sake, let's pretend it happens.
While almost all the features can be used for SJW purposes, they could also prevent the average user from being unnecessarily harassed by said community.

For example, editing posts and having all reblogs show the edit does allow clarification. There are plenty of situations where one user slanders another user (calls them a pedophile/white person/cis/etc), and the post gets reblogged by thousands of people. However, a few days later, the same person apologizes for their original post and attempts to clear the other user's name. The way tumblr works, however, means that people will most likely see the first post on their dashboard, never get the second post, and continue believing some lie. To avoid blatant backtracking, it might be nice for edited posts to be either an addendum only, or have a link to previous versions. That isn't what's proposed currently, but IMO, it's still better than tumblr's current system.

Deleting posts with reblogs sounds silly, but I'm assuming it's for the same purpose of getting people off your ass because you drew Rose Quartz one shade too light. I think that editing your posts is enough.

Blacklisting tags is something I sorely wish tumblr had, and it is because of the format. Stuff is delivered to your dashboard from people you watch, regardless of common interests. I could have a friend who loves Undertale, and I could just be sick of seeing Undertale- but still want to see the rest of the stuff they reblog. It isn't necessarily that people are triggered. It's that not having blacklisted tags detracts from the purpose of a dashboard, which is a frontpage of things you enjoy looking at. I've had friends who download xkit simply so that they can get rid of as much SJW bullshit posts as they can from their favorite artists.

I would assume that whitelisting tags, ie, making all posts under them appear on your dash, helps the same way; its main purpose is just to help you find material you enjoy.

And of course, communities sound useful. Abusable, but useful.

Even though all these features can be abused by SJW's, I'm not sure if they're entirely catered towards them. Briar Nexus/Haven/whatever it was called had a much heavier emphasis on being a complete SJW hugbox. Pillowfort, to me, seems a bit more focused on keeping various user groups separate (SJW's, average users, anti-SJW's, that weird daddy dom community) so that they don't bother each other and boil into drama.
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That's the very problem, it has good ideas, in theory, but as history has taught us things that may be abused, will be abused. I also don't just mean the SJWs, but also trolls, perhaps even more so!

The editing function may sound nice, clarifying mistakes and such, but what happens when people use it the other way? Consider a troll posting a post catering specifically to some popular blogger say a kitty... which they subsequently change to ISIS propaganda when it has been reblogged. This occurs to me as even worse than making a false claim about someone, it is making a claim which you can trick someone into admitting. Is that not far worse than not being able to correct a false claim, which by all means a normal person should take with a grain of salt until it's confirmed to a satisfying degree?

Deleting all reblogs is a case of owning up to your actions on the internet. In the real world we have to take responsibility for our actions; We get mad at someone and say something nasty? Sorry, shoulda thought about that earlier. Taking the responsibility for someones actions even more, even "just" on the internet sure as hell won't help fragile individuals remain in the real world.

Now on the point of blacklisting I agree with you, I can imagine you are not interested in some content, and as much as that will be abused to create the ultimate hugbox experience, it seems to me like a function that shouldn't have that great a harm, not everyone uses tags anyway.

It seems to me like whitelisting anything would flood your dash in seconds... If this takes of it seems like such a useless utility, either the site will be so small it is pointless because there is almost nothing getting posted anyway, or it will make one big damn mess of your dashboard!



(Also white, cis, that is slander..? SERIOUSLY?)
 
SentinelValue said:
Deleting posts with reblogs sounds silly, but I'm assuming it's for the same purpose of getting people off your ass because you drew Rose Quartz one shade too light. I think that editing your posts is enough.
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I don't really think this would help get people off your case at all.

Let's say you have, for instance, drawn Garnet from Steven Universe as a lighter skin color. The most heinous crime imaginable I know, but please bear with me.

So people start harassing you, it blows up into a big thing and Tumblrites (Or Pillowfort Generals as I would like to call them) dox you and send you death threats. So you think," I'll just delete the post and all of its reblogs, then everyone will leave me alone!"

Nope! Because Tumblr never forgives and never forgets, there are archival receipt blogs that record that post. They start spreading around,"Hey guys, GarnetQuartz777 drew problematic fan art that hurt so many people and then tried to make it go away! Let's keep harassing them calling them out so they know what they did was wrong!"

So people would still harass you anyway. And if the Staff of this Pillowfort were just normal people with common decency who you could get to delete these posts, Tumblristas would just cry out "Freedom of Speech/Censorship" and flock over to next big Tumblr-Like platform.
 
Polish_Privilege said:
The editing function may sound nice, clarifying mistakes and such, but what happens when people use it the other way? Consider a troll posting a post catering specifically to some popular blogger say a kitty... which they subsequently change to ISIS propaganda when it has been reblogged.
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This is pretty similar to an old board raid strategy where you'd have a bunch of different nicks post otherwise inoffensive posts to a board for some period of time, all including links to a bunch of 1x1 pixel images on another site, and then, once the site is saturated with them, suddenly change all the images to porn, gore, thin pictures of Steven Universe characters, etc.

With the reblog editing feature, you could similarly do this to a whole bunch of content all at once after it's been reblogged.
 
Doesn't this take away from the entire point of Tumblr and re-blogs?
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Hat said:
Doesn't this take away from the entire point of Tumblr and re-blogs?
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Yes, but tumblrinas have been gagging for it for ages anyway, because if a post gets reblogged enough eventually someone will call you on your shit.

But note the "only rebloggable to specific users" bit they add in there. That way you could make sure that only your select hugbox, the people who you've vetted as having exactly the same opinions as you do with no variation whatsoever, can reblog your posts. You'd never have to worry about your safe space being invaded by criticism again!

(Until, of course, one of your hugbox crew suddenly and randomly gets infected with shitlordness and has an opinion you didn't pre-approve. Then you can cast them out of paradise by removing their name from your whitelist. Which, by the way, needs a less triggering name, thank you.)
 
Erica said:
And despite all the cries for a tumblr alternative, watch them get no financial support at all (I think inkstand only got like 600 dollars?).
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Bingo.

Considering the same crowd that's all in favor of this (potentially doomed) venture overlaps with the same crowd that e-panhandles for donations-or expensive items off of an Amazon Wishlist, in some cases-because they can't/don't want to get jobs for various reasons/excuses, or they claim they're perpetually broke? I honestly doubt they'll get continued financial support after the initial crowdfunding phase ends, if they even get to that point at all, especially if the average Tumblrina is their target audience.

That said, having witnessed firsthand the process of getting tax/business-related matters sorted out, I can see some legitimacy to their statements above. Not a whole lot, but some.
 
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Someone I'm following reblogged this site's initial little flier, and I got reminded we had a thread on it that's been dead for a while! This is honestly one of the only interesting posts. All of the others are answered questions on if the site will have x and y with Tumblrina flavor (eg. making things private, non-rebloggable, etc.).

So we can look forward to seeing exactly how much people want this next month, maybe.
 
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