Physicists Capture Elusive 4D 'Ghost' in CERN Particle Accelerator

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There's a specter haunting the tunnels of a particle accelerator at CERN.
In the Super Proton Synchrotron, physicists have finally measured and quantified an invisible structure that can divert the course of the particles therein, and create problems for particle research.

It's described as taking place in phase space, which can represent one or more states of a moving system. Since four states are required to represent the structure, the researchers view it as four-dimensional.

This structure is the result of a phenomenon known as resonance, and being able to quantify and measure it takes us a step closer to solving a problem universal to magnetic particle accelerators.

"With these resonances, what happens is that particles don't follow exactly the path we want and then fly away and get lost," says physicist Giuliano Franchetti of GSI in Germany. "This causes beam degradation and makes it difficult to reach the required beam parameters."

Resonance occurs when two systems interact and sync up. It could be a resonance emerging between planetary orbits as they gravitationally interact in their journey around a star, or a tuning fork that starts to sympathetically ring when sound waves from another tuning fork hit its tines.

Particle accelerators use powerful magnets that generate electromagnetic fields to guide and accelerate beams of particles to where physicists want them to go. Resonances can occur in the accelerator due to imperfections in the magnets, creating a magnetic structure that interacts with particles in problematic ways.

The more degrees of freedom a dynamic system exhibits, the more complex it is to describe mathematically. Particles moving through a particle accelerator are usually described using just two degrees of freedom, reflecting the two coordinates needed to define a point on a flat grid.

To describe structures therein requires mapping them using additional features in phase space beyond just the up-down, left-right dimensions; that is, four parameters are needed to map each point in the space.

This, the researchers say, is something that could very easily "elude our geometric intuition".
In accelerator physics, the thinking is often in only one plane," Franchetti says. In order to map a resonance, however, the particle beam needs to be measured across both the horizontal and the vertical planes.

It sounds pretty straightforward, but if you're used to thinking about something a specific way, it might take an effort to think outside the box. Understanding the effects of resonance on a particle beam took quite a few years, and some hefty computer simulations.

However, that information opened the way for Franchetti, along with physicists Hannes Bartosik and Frank Schmidt of CERN, to finally measure the magnetic anomaly.

Using beam position monitors along the Super Proton Synchrotron, they measured the position of the particles for approximately 3,000 beams. By carefully measuring where the particles were centered, or skewed to one side, they were able to generate a map of the resonance haunting the accelerator.

"What makes our recent finding so special is that it shows how individual particles behave in a coupled resonance," Bartosik says. "We can demonstrate that the experimental findings agree with what had been predicted based on theory and simulation."

The next step is to develop a theory that describes how individual particles behave in the presence of an accelerator resonance. This, the researchers say, will ultimately give them a new way to mitigate beam degradation, and achieve the high-fidelity beams required for ongoing and future particle acceleration experiments.
The team's research has been published in Nature Physics.

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It's perfectly fine if it's a clear separation between the article and your commentary is at the end.

You're just not allowed to change the article and pretend it's part of the article.
It's in literally the first post of the board, Null even created a graphic.
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My favourite explanation for the Fermii Paradox is that there's some "trap" in Physics. Just a really easy mistake to make because the circumstances in which the laws of physics stray from what we know is just a really uncommon use case. So every technologically capable species at some point starts playing around with particle accelerators and says "Hmm, this is interesting. We should see what happens if we do this" and wipes out their planet.
 
My favourite explanation for the Fermii Paradox is that there's some "trap" in Physics. Just a really easy mistake to make because the circumstances in which the laws of physics stray from what we know is just a really uncommon use case. So every technologically capable species at some point starts playing around with particle accelerators and says "Hmm, this is interesting. We should see what happens if we do this" and wipes out their planet.

We already have that, they're called nuclear missiles.
 
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We alrwacy have that, they're called nuclear missiles.
No, we know how nuclear missiles work and a species could presumably be technologically curious without also being warlike to the point of self-extermination. I'm positing the idea of something that can't be naturally extrapolated from preceding knowledge. Akin to how people didn't expect there to be such a thing as an ionosphere until some Italian idiot decided to try and transmit a radio signal across the Atlantic which made no sense and it worked and nobody understood why.

The idea is that there's some experiment or action one might do that is spectacularly dangerous but almost no indicator that it will be because it's a circumstance that doesn't arise in nature absent advanced technology.
 
My favourite explanation for the Fermii Paradox is that there's some "trap" in Physics. Just a really easy mistake to make because the circumstances in which the laws of physics stray from what we know is just a really uncommon use case. So every technologically capable species at some point starts playing around with particle accelerators and says "Hmm, this is interesting. We should see what happens if we do this" and wipes out their planet.
I always figured that omnidirectional broadcasts at the power needed will forever be cost prohibitive and so alien races use communication lasers to talk to each other. Plus the further into space we look the further into time it is, so they're could be several advanced races that have been broadcasting for thousands of years, but we're still only seeing them when they were in the stone age. Also advanced technology may provide FTL communication which is regularily used by more advanced races.

Honestly the Fermi paradox is stupid. It makes no compensations for time and distance.
 
It's in literally the first post of the board, Null even created a graphic.
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Literally shows what I was explaining, maybe you should learn how to read?. Just as long as there is a break, it doesn't have to be a separate post. Hell I think that's from the era when you had to quote the article before he made A&N private for search reasons.

Dumb faggot

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Next time I shall add in a comment below.
Why is it described as a structure? I don’t really understand that
Take this with as much salt as you need, considering I passed both semesters of Physics courtesy of the professor pitying me: going to guess ‘structure’ in this case is shorthand for ‘the interaction of magnetic field effects that produce the predictable, replicable drift in our beams of charged particles.’

That said, science journos really are their own unique flavor of scum, aren’t they? I grew to hate them courtesy of undergrad research projects tangentially related to some Discovery channel specials, and the hype they generate for ratings/clicks puts Don King to shame.
 
I always figured that omnidirectional broadcasts at the power needed will forever be cost prohibitive and so alien races use communication lasers to talk to each other. Plus the further into space we look the further into time it is, so they're could be several advanced races that have been broadcasting for thousands of years, but we're still only seeing them when they were in the stone age. Also advanced technology may provide FTL communication which is regularily used by more advanced races.

Honestly the Fermi paradox is stupid. It makes no compensations for time and distance.
Agreed. There are a number of very plausible explanations for it. I also agree with @Cyclonus that it's not a good name for the puzzle. For all we know, Unicron could just eat any planet that develops a sufficiently advanced civilisation.
 
I always figured that omnidirectional broadcasts at the power needed will forever be cost prohibitive and so alien races use communication lasers to talk to each other. Plus the further into space we look the further into time it is, so they're could be several advanced races that have been broadcasting for thousands of years, but we're still only seeing them when they were in the stone age.

But that assumes that we are the first advanced civilization to exist (or among the first), because if other civilizations advanced ahead of us, then we'd still find signals even if the signals were thousands of years old. What are the odds of everyone just happening to get there after us?

Astronomers don't just look for "communications" either, they do stuff like look for biosignatures (this article explains it pretty well) and signs of technology.

Shame that name stuck really, it's not a paradox at all, even if it was true. I heard it called "the great silence" once and I like that. It goes nicely with "the great filter".

The "dark forest" theory and its variations are the most terrifying explanation IMO:

In 1987, science fiction author Greg Bear explored this concept that he called a "vicious jungle" in his novel The Forge of God. In The Forge of God, humanity is likened to a baby crying in a hostile forest: "There once was an infant lost in the woods, crying its heart out, wondering why no one answered, drawing down the wolves."​
One of the characters explains, "We've been sitting in our tree chirping like foolish birds for over a century now, wondering why no other birds answered. The galactic skies are full of hawks, that's why. Planetisms that don't know enough to keep quiet, get eaten."​
 
But that assumes that we are the first advanced civilization to exist (or among the first), because if other civilizations advanced ahead of us, then we'd still find signals even if the signals were thousands of years old. What are the odds of everyone just happening to get there after us?
Not quite. @Betonhaus is correct I think, even though he is a Bluey obssessed weirdo (no offence). He posited that omni-directional high power communications are an inefficient method that any technological civilisation would not use for normal purposes. Instead using direct line of communication such as lasers. In this scenario we would not be awash in signals from other civilisations.

There's also the question of the persistence of such civilisations. We have been around as a species for a few hundred thousand years. Of those hundred thousand years, the period in which we have been technologically capable enough to make our presence known off world (whether radio waves or just emitting light and other signs of life), has been a few centuries. Not even the blink of a blink of a blink of an eye in cosmic terms. So even if for our existence we're blasting out radio waves in every direction it's not a continuous thing that another civilisation would notice as soon as they became capable of looking but a thin shell expanding outwards that if you're not looking when it passes over you, you will never see - not before nor after. In short, two civilisations must overlap in their technological abilities and in their spatial proximity in order for one to become aware of the other. Be off in your timeline by even a tiny amount, such as a million years, and you'll miss that blink of a blink of a blink of an eye.

This brings us back to my own fun explanation which is a subset of the more general category: What if civilisations just don't last that long?
 
But that assumes that we are the first advanced civilization to exist (or among the first), because if other civilizations advanced ahead of us, then we'd still find signals even if the signals were thousands of years old. What are the odds of everyone just happening to get there after us?
Not necessarily the first.
Let me ask you this: take our most powerful omnidirectional transmitter. Could a civilization in even the next star system over be able to detect that signal and identify it as intelligent information, using the exact same technology we have? I don't think so. It would need to be several levels more powerful to do so, and still it would need to be a directional signal that has a million in one chance of both the transmitter and receiver being pointed at each other.

And that's not even including the factor that they may use an encryption scheme or data compression that makes it impossible for us to recognize the signal. A 100 year old General Electric radio could pick up a wifi 6E signal, but it would just be static noise. We may have already received intelligent data signals (like the Wow! signal, but to our equipment it's so complex and degraded that it's just noise.

There's also the political factor that some alien species may either choose not to try broadcasting to whoever is out there, or lose interest in doing so over time. Or maybe they develop a more advanced communication tech like subspace communication and are transmitting in a way we simply cannot hear with our technology.

Or maybe aliens have communicated with us and our government has chosen to keep that under wraps, with several related conspiracy theories being true.

There are many explanations why the stars could have many civilizations that we simply haven't been able to hear.
 
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