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PewDiePie Picks DLive as Exclusive Live-Streaming Platform, Will Donate Up to $50,000 to Other Creators

PewDiePie, YouTube’s most popular individual creator, is throwing his weight behind DLive — a live-streaming video service that promises far better economic terms for creators than other major platforms.


The vlogger-gamer-comedian, whose name is Felix Kjellberg, says he will use DLive exclusively (for the next several months, anyway) to present weekly live-streams. PewDiePie is slated to kick off his first official DLive stream on Sunday, April 14, at 10 a.m. PT/1 p.m. ET, at dlive.tv/pewdiepie and the DLive app.


DLive is built on top of the Lino Network blockchain-based currency system. The DLive service doesn’t take a cut of the revenue generated by live-streaming creators through subscriptions or digital “gifts” and it pledges that it never will. That’s compared with other providers, including Amazon’s Twitch, which keeps 50% of channel subscription revenue. In addition, DLive generates credits to reward other participating live-streamers based on consumption of their content.

“I’m excited to start live-streaming again regularly,” Kjellberg said in a statement. “DLive is great for me because I’m treated like a real partner just like all of the other streamers on their unique platform.”

PewDiePie has more than 93 million subscribers on YouTube — making him far and away the biggest individual creator on the video site. For the past few weeks, Kjellberg has been engaged in a back-and-forth battle with India’s T-Series for the No. 1 YouTube most-subscribed position.


Lino Network, based in Cupertino, Calif., was founded in July 2017. The startup last year raised $20 million in funded led by ZhenFund, a Beijing-based venture-capital firm, with participation from FBG Capital, DFund, and INBlockchain. According to Wei, Lino Network (whose name is a contraction of “livestream now”) has about 30 employees.


DLive is the first service built on top of Lino. It launched in September 2018 and claims to have over 3 million monthly active users and 35,000 active streamers; some of the most popular creators are NoahFromDlive, Ltzonda, and DabPlays. The service is available the web at dlive.tv and via Android and iOS apps. According to Wei, DLive and Lino Network are independent companies that have collaborated closely with each other.


PewDiePie is supporting DLive because “this particular platform was able to support a lot of what he’s going after in terms of innovation and support for other creators,” said Kat Peterson, co-founder of influencer-media company re6I (ReelSix) and a member of Kjelllberg’s management team.


“This was a really good fit for him,” Peterson said. “This platform is able to support creators, in terms of the revenue share, in a way that is hugely favorable to the creator.” He’s donating Lino Points to other creators “to get everybody on the platform excited that he’s there,” she added.


And, of course, Kjellberg sees a business opportunity to generate a new revenue stream from fans, either through live-stream subscriptions or gifting on the DLive platform.


PewDiePie remains a controversial figure: He’s been the target of criticism for making anti-Semitic jokes and using racist language in the past, and lost business deals with Maker Studios and YouTube as a result of his over-the-line stunts. Meanwhile, the attacker in last month’s New Zealand mass shootings reportedly urged people to “subscribe to PewDiePie”; since then, more than 79,000 people have signed a Change.org petition to have PewDiePie banned from YouTube for “normalizing white supremacy.”


In a video posted Sunday, Kjellberg apologized again for his past offensive comments (including when he uttered the N-word in a livestream) but disputed many of the petition’s claims as false: “As laughable as some of these points are, a lot of people are obviously taking it seriously,” he says. “If you don’t know anything about me… then obviously it paints a really bad picture that just isn’t true.”


DLive says it gives 90.1% of all subscription and gift revenue directly to creators (in the form of Lino Points). To reward the most popular live-streamers, the other 9.9% goes into a pool that rewards people based on their contributions to the network on a daily basis.


While DLive doesn’t take a cut of creators’ revenue, there are processing fees from third-party providers associated with converting Lino Points into actual cash and vice versa. (The exchange rate is currently fixed at 1.2 cents per Lino Point.) For example, PayPal charges 40 cents per transaction plus a 4.4% of the total transaction value to purchase Lino Points.


What is Lino’s ultimate the business model? Wei declined to comment on how the company expects to earn money. “We are growing fast — monetizing is not in our short-term plans,” he said. “Our sole focus is on growth.”


As far as DLive’s streaming infrastructure, Wei said it uses industry-standard components and employs content delivery services including Amazon’s AWS.

If this name sounds familiar, it's likely because DLive was the temporary home of the Ralph Retort before they moved over to Stream.me. At that point in time, it seemed like the site struggled to accommodate 3-5 thousand viewers, so it'll be interesting to see if their infrastructure survives the influx from Pewdiepie's massive subscriber base.

It's great to see that there's some new competition for YouTube (owned by Alphabet) and Twitch (owned by Amazon). Any new services that try to disrupt the existing oligopoly will at least put pressure on YouTube and Twitch to offer better terms to creators. That 90/10 split is significantly better than YouTube's 70/30. It is interesting to note though that Google and Apple are still getting their pound of flesh from DLive's mobile apps, where there's a 30% charge for in-app purchases.
 
Second your thoughts on the potential infrastructure issues, this seems like a gamble. If you notice anything about the other two competitors they have a lot of cashish sitting around offshore to blow on shiny hardware.

Something about wax wings and flying too close to the sun springs to mind..

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Looks like they've taken this into account with a 10am timeslot for the stream, thats so far off peak it's on a different mountain.
 
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It's too bad DLive is a bit fly by night, and may be a cryptominer.
Did the cryptominer meme every get validated? My guess is that it was just venture capital bait back when cryptocurrency was the flavor of the month. They've got to be throwing piles of money at Pewdiepie to get him on the platform, not to mention the money they're burning in AWS costs and salaries.

Second your thoughts on the potential infrastructure issues, this seems like a gamble. If you notice anything about the other two competitors they have a lot of cashish sitting around offshore to blow on shiny hardware.

Something about wax wings and flying too close to the sun springs to mind..

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Looks like they've taken this into account with a 10am timeslot for the stream, thats so far off peak it's on a different mountain.

Even 10 AM Pewdiepie is going to absolutely blow their previous max out of the water. TRR was pulling in what, 5,000 people on their best days? I wouldn't be surprised if Pewdiepie hit 50k. I mean, theoretically they should be able to handle it if they don't mind a massive AWS bill, but I'm skeptical of whether they're set up properly to deal with that load.
 
I dunno, it's pretty easy to know if a website has a cryptominer, or that is what I understand, I am not an expert.
For the moment looks like a good alternative to twitch and his faggotry community.
 
I mean, theoretically they should be able to handle it if they don't mind a massive AWS bill, but I'm skeptical of whether they're set up properly to deal with that load.

"As far as DLive’s streaming infrastructure, Wei said it uses industry-standard components and employs content delivery services including Amazon’s AWS."


I'm very skeptical of their monetization strategy, taking 0% from your content creators and funding the site as far as i can tell entirely through micro-transactions with 'Lino Points'

Also just to add their sole payment processor , for their sole purpose of monetization, is PayPal .

I cant see that causing any problems at all
 
"As far as DLive’s streaming infrastructure, Wei said it uses industry-standard components and employs content delivery services including Amazon’s AWS."
Yeah... that's why I used "theoretically". Those are basically the same lines any company is going to use in their marketing. The question though is whether their systems are designed properly to scale with that volume of traffic.

I'm very skeptical of their monetization strategy, taking 0% from your content creators and funding the site as far as i can tell entirely through micro-transactions with 'Lino Points'

Also just to add their sole payment processor , for their sole purpose of monetization, is PayPal .

I cant see that causing any problems at all
My guess is that it's the classic SV startup strategy of:

  1. Raise lots of money with hot buzzwords (linocoin, blockchain whatever)
  2. Blow lots of money acquiring a userbase (0% take from creators, paying influencers)
  3. ???
  4. Profit
Sometimes it pays off, or at least creates enough of a threat for one of the big players to buy them out for a nice profit.

If I recall correctly, @DispatchCommit looked into it and reported on an episode of the Killstream (before they hated each other), that it was not mining in your browser, but was just very poorly optimized code. He reported a lot of vulnerabilities to them to fix as well.
Poorly optimized code sounds about right. Based on the article, they've only got ~30 employees, which works out to maybe 10-20 actual software engineers. The part about vulnerabilities sounds a bit questionable though.
 
I remember back in the day there was one time when the SA front page was just an ALOD blow-out, 60 (or 100?) Shitty Geocities Sites Racing to Oblivion, with the joke being that SA's userbase would crash them all due to their pitiable monthly bandwidth allowances. Anyways, thats what this is going to be.
 
With how often that goddamned duck shows up I would be unsurprised if Pewd's followers start an unironic Cult of the Ducc
 
Did the cryptominer meme every get validated? My guess is that it was just venture capital bait back when cryptocurrency was the flavor of the month. They've got to be throwing piles of money at Pewdiepie to get him on the platform, not to mention the money they're burning in AWS costs and salaries.
I'm not confident it would be an issue even if it were a miner site. So long as browsers are developed to have reasonable controls on these things and an opt-out functionality, given the death of advertisement and the alarming amount of over-specialized devices floating around the market with barely any hardware utilization, it would seem to be the most viable and unobtrusive form of crowd-sourced income.
Imagine how much better most sites would be if they actually had to convince you to stay a while to collect shekels, rather than just click on there briefly and leave when you realize the headline was retarded bait they're using to help pad their engagement numbers.
Hell, the Farms had one for a while back in 2017. I didn't actually realize it was ever removed, and reading through those threads it looks to have been mostly due to shitty malware block-lists rather than generating actual problems for the clients. As one might expect.
 
If the site is gonna use your rig to mine bitcoins, they might as well just have you pay up front, because you'll end up spending more on electricity than they make from it. Of course, people aren't likely to think about that or care as much as an up front fee, so maybe it makes sense anyway.
 
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