Patreon Donation Charge Salt - Patreon Changes TOS; Lolcows Apoplectic

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Eh, keep the fees, just total them up and add them to the creators tab before they can pull the money out.

Even more Reeee!
 
muina said:
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Just when I thought they wouldn't bow down to the whiners.
 
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Intelligent Calcium said:
Will the people who come back after this make up for the ~$0.30 creators make less per patron again, now that the fees are back in their court? Some might get double fucked by this.
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Yeah something tells me that Patreon is gonna be slapping these fees onto the creators instead, which is hilarious considering for all their bitching that's what will hurt the actual creators in the long run compared to the proposed system.

Even more hilarious since, when the creators inevitably REEEE over increased fees and thus earning less pity bux, the average patron isn't gonna do much outside of tweeting the occasional token condolences to a handful of their favorites. Because, hey, the fees aren't coming out of their pocket this time, so it's not their problem.
 
Intelligent Calcium said:
Will the people who come back after this make up for the ~$0.30 creators make less per patron again, now that the fees are back in their court? Some might get double fucked by this.
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I probably won't. Too much work and some of my previous patrons exposed themselves to be whiny :autism: babies about all of this, so they don't need my money anymore.
 
The reason I find Patreon's backpedaling so funny is that - if I'm understanding the change correctly - most creators would've actually made more money in the long run. Some patrons panicked and dropped, yeah, but in time they would've been replaced with people who don't mind paying an extra 30 cents and the creators would be making more income per pledge. The only thing it would've substantially hurt are incest donations. They hurt themselves by shitting their pants when they saw the reflexive, temporary drop.

And the funniest part now is that many of those patrons who did drop are unlikely to come back, so not only are they out long-term revenue but the otherwise temporary sting from their panic is going to keep hurting them.
 
RJ MacReady said:
The reason I find Patreon's backpedaling so funny is that - if I'm understanding the change correctly - most creators would've actually made more money in the long run.
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But I believe this preserves the Patreon Dollar Shave Club circle jerk of Johnny giving Suzy giving Leonard giving Dinah giving Johnny. At least for now.
 
Elwood P. Dowd said:
But I believe this preserves the Patreon Dollar Shave Club circle jerk of Johnny giving Suzy giving Leonard giving Dinah giving Johnny. At least for now.
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With Patreon wooing big investors and becoming more clear that they don't give a shit about anyone who isn't a major earner as it tries to grow up into a big boy company, I'm eagerly awaiting to see how its dependents self-destruct over the next few years. They're aware that building your house on someone else's property is financially and strategically dangerous but they just can't wean themselves off of it, even with a decade of Youtube to learn from.

They're in for a bad time once the more experienced and ruthless businessmen Patreon is courting get controlling stakes or executive positions in the company, because they're smart enough to know they hold all the cards and will push their users around just like Google does.
 
They did specify that no taxing is still a problem for the platform, so it's unlikely that incest donations won't be hurt in the final run. I understand Patreon started all free and no worry to promote itself, but it ended up with an obviously spoiled userbase that can't do basic economics and won't accept any change.
 
RJ MacReady said:
The reason I find Patreon's backpedaling so funny is that - if I'm understanding the change correctly - most creators would've actually made more money in the long run. Some patrons panicked and dropped, yeah, but in time they would've been replaced with people who don't mind paying an extra 30 cents and the creators would be making more income per pledge. The only thing it would've substantially hurt are incest donations. They hurt themselves by shitting their pants when they saw the reflexive, temporary drop.

And the funniest part now is that many of those patrons who did drop are unlikely to come back, so not only are they out long-term revenue but the otherwise temporary sting from their panic is going to keep hurting them.
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Meanwhile, their main population remains the successes. So the public face of the business will be successes.

For some reason, businesses like successes to be their public face. Not whining failures.
 
RJ MacReady said:
The reason I find Patreon's backpedaling so funny is that - if I'm understanding the change correctly - most creators would've actually made more money in the long run. Some patrons panicked and dropped, yeah, but in time they would've been replaced with people who don't mind paying an extra 30 cents and the creators would be making more income per pledge. The only thing it would've substantially hurt are incest donations. They hurt themselves by shitting their pants when they saw the reflexive, temporary drop.
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From what I understand the main people that would've been hurt by this change were newer creators still trying to find an audience, patrons who make tons of $1 donations to multiple creators, and incestuous doners/the pity bux brigade.

The first two concerns I would say are fair and do suck, but the changes do also mean that competition would be boosted since, as other people pointed out, patrons would be more careful with their money and make large donations to a handful of people vs throwing a dollar or two to every single artist in their follower list willy-nilly. It would also be a greater incentive for creators to work hard since they'd be making content for people with a more avid investment in seeing results/progress rather than a bunch of small doners who might not even remember making a pledge to them

However, the third group don't really care the above two issues, because they likely know if they actually had to compete for the favor of patrons they'd lose by a landslide to those with actual talent and strong work ethics. So they would rather keep the system the way things are since they'd rather hold back tons of other good artists for the sake of maintaining an easy cash-flow.
 
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muina said:
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Damn. Zoe must have cradled Conte's balls, worked the shaft, and swallowed his gravy.

I'm sure the VCs throwing money at the company will totally understand when the company goes down like the Titanic.
 
I think whatever they come out with next will be received just the same. If Patreon had put the fee on the creators, there still would be screaming from the same people about how Patreon is trying to rob them blind.

When you run a service, if your concern is pleasing even the worst who cost you resources, it's not win-win. But, if your concern is aiming for quality and keeping the good customers around, you'll win. The new fee and payout adjustment wasn't a stupid move on Patreon and was presented transparently. Lots of websites have extra fees on the customer. That's not new. And yet still we get whining from people you'd think never used an online service. You really have to stand your ground as a service provider sometimes.

So much for a potentially competitive artistic environment. As it was already said, this would have given healthy incentive for creators to cater quality to their backers. Since it outed a lot of very entitled "creators," it might be a blessing in disguise.
 
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