Paper Mario Series

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Which Paper Mario Game is your Favorite?

  • Paper Mario

    Votes: 172 23.2%

  • Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door

    Votes: 356 48.0%

  • Super Paper Mario

    Votes: 124 16.7%

  • Paper Mario: Sticker Star

    Votes: 19 2.6%

  • Paper Mario Color Splash

    Votes: 9 1.2%

  • They're all good imo

    Votes: 62 8.4%
  • Total voters
    742
It hit me. I think I get it.

Paper Mario is the anti-Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest more or less does the same thing every fucking time and it works. Paper Mario needs to more or less do the same thing every fucking time for it to work... and they don't. Something about JRPGs makes the same thing work every fucking time.

It has to be the autism. Must make my Excel spreadsheet numbers larger.
 
Brahmin Baron said:
Is there actually a reason (beyond laziness) that they refuse to go back to the 64/ttyd formula and instead stick to the colour splash/sticker star style? Is this style cheaper to make? Is it so they can reuse assets from colour splash? Is nintendo just really anal about making mario too "gritty" nowadays? Or is it just that no one on the dev team actually cares?
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Nintendo just likes using this series as a way to test weird gimmicky shit.
 
Brahmin Baron said:
Is there actually a reason (beyond laziness) that they refuse to go back to the 64/ttyd formula and instead stick to the colour splash/sticker star style? Is this style cheaper to make? Is it so they can reuse assets from colour splash? Is nintendo just really anal about making mario too "gritty" nowadays? Or is it just that no one on the dev team actually cares?
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I'm inclined to think it was a declaration from Miyamoto that made it this way.
 
Brahmin Baron said:
Is there actually a reason (beyond laziness) that they refuse to go back to the 64/ttyd formula and instead stick to the colour splash/sticker star style? Is this style cheaper to make? Is it so they can reuse assets from colour splash? Is nintendo just really anal about making mario too "gritty" nowadays? Or is it just that no one on the dev team actually cares?
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Not like I'm an authority on anything since I'm just a schmuck who listens to behind the scenes commentary for video games in the background. But if I were to guess one of the lead producers at Nintendo/Intelligent Systems is the one who came up with the Sticker Star formula and has convinced the designers that it is indeed superior to RPG Format. Nintendo is one of the most prestigious video game companies because they've always polished their games, but they're very stubborn when it comes to altering game design they feel is well made.

It took them 13 years to finally move away from the Ocarina of Time structure, it required their 2nd most popular franchise to have a commercial disappointment (Skyward Sword) to change things up with Breath of the Wild. I really hope Origami King is great because the presentation is just top notch and they at least have some RPG Elements as Mario's HP Meter changed during the trailer. I don't know why they insist that the minor characters can't have unique visual looks and personalities. The moment that made me laugh the hardest in Paper Mario was the Koopa parody of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
 
Cardenio said:
Not like I'm an authority on anything since I'm just a schmuck who listens to behind the scenes commentary for video games in the background. But if I were to guess one of the lead producers at Nintendo/Intelligent Systems is the one who came up with the Sticker Star formula and has convinced the designers that it is indeed superior to RPG Format. Nintendo is one of the most prestigious video game companies because they've always polished their games, but they're very stubborn when it comes to altering game design they feel is well made.

It took them 13 years to finally move away from the Ocarina of Time structure, it required their 2nd most popular franchise to have a commercial disappointment (Skyward Sword) to change things up with Breath of the Wild. I really hope Origami King is great because the presentation is just top notch and they at least have some RPG Elements as Mario's HP Meter changed during the trailer. I don't know why they insist that the minor characters can't have unique visual looks and personalities. The moment that made me laugh the hardest in Paper Mario was the Koopa parody of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oWFyHwEoN6A
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Nintendo's strict adherence to tradition is a double edged sword. On the one hand it leads to there games being pretty polished and freedom from wokeshit and predatory monetization models. On the other hand it leads to them being very stubborn in regard to change even positive change.
 
Miyamoto is to blame yes. Stupidest decision he ever made apart from that hellish Wii Music performance and Skyward Sword's control scheme.

But I seem to remember a female employee saying something about the series a few years back in regards to the complaints about the way the games have gone down in quality and differing from their roots.

Edit: It was Risa Tabata and she was referring to the possibility of a Thousand Year Door remaster.
 
BlueCandle said:
Btw whats with modern Nintendo and their sudden obsession with Spike? That fucker is the most forced addition to the cast since Petey Piranha during the GC era. Someone at nintendo has a fetish for frogs that vomit spikey balls, I bet its Miyamoto that dirty old man.
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spike is kinda a old enemies, he begin in SMB3. Not counting the paper mario occurrence they were like a 14 year time laps since the last game they appeared(yoshi island) and when they started to get popular in they cure form (NSMB WII)
 
UntimelyDhelmise said:
There's also the Koopalings who, ever since their return in NSMBW, have managed to be shoehorned into a fuckload of titles (including Paper Mario).
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Super Mario Bros. 3 is my favorite 2D platformer and the Koopalings are part of the reason why, so I don't have a problem with that to be honest.
 
A lot of people seem to be citing interference from Miyamoto and I’m just curious as to how much involvement he actually has in these games nowadays. I know that he has a history for poking his head in and asking for changes and additions (the transformation of Dinosaur Planet into Star Fox Adventures being one of the larger instances, but also the suggestion that eventually led to the visor system in Metroid Prime), but how often does that happen now? With each new core release in the Mario and Zelda franchises, the interviews invariably say how this one had the least involvement from Miyamoto yet. And maybe I haven’t been paying enough attention, but I think it’s been years since Miyamoto has been used meaningfully in any of their Directs or Treehouse presentations, the last one being the notorious Star Fox Zero. I just assumed that Intelligent Systems was just interested in shaking things up. It’s unfortunate that Paper Mario games don’t come frequently enough that they could alternate between traditional games and experimental ones the way the Kirby franchise has done.
 
One of Nintendo's core design philosophies is to make their games unique. This is part of the issue with Paper Mario, I think. You get the worst of that philosophy with this series. Because Nintendo derives the vast majority of its profit from video game hardware and software sales, they need to make sure that their product isn't something that you can get on the other guy's system. Usually this works. But not all of the time.
 
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