Paper Mario Series

[Kit Marz]

It's odd to describe a single player game as "dead."

Dead in terms of not making the impact that the people like Arlo who desperately wanted this remake to happen so a new generation could see for themselves what Paper Mario once was and so their dream of more games like this would be made again. It doesn't seem to have made the impression they were hoping for. It came and it went and it seems like that's all that's going to happen. This game was hyped up for years and it got initial excitement, but it seems like mainly from the people who played the original and maybe a few here and there who never did. I really can't see this remake being the savior that so many people wanted for the franchise so that more games like it can be made, and to me that means it's DOA.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Someone was working on a mod a while back on GayBanana, but they finished 75% followed by radio silence.
But yeah, there’s less to talk about online with a remake relative to a new game. What is there to discuss? New characters? New mechanics? New story and lore?

If that’s your definition of a slog, then I have some bad news about Superstar Saga.

It’s back alright, they resurrected its corpse and slapped rainbow paint on it.

...Superstar Saga? I thought hat 'SS' meant 'Sticker Star'!

 

[Two Dollars]

...Superstar Saga? I thought hat 'SS' meant 'Sticker Star'!

That would imply that anyone would ever want to play Sticker Star for a reason other than making themselves suffer.

 

[Lone Star]

I still don't understand why Nintendo doesn't take all the cut content from their rushed gamecube games and implement them in the remakes. I think that would have helped this game and Wind Waker a lot if they had done that. And also not mess with the script.

As someone way too interested in cut content, I'd love this. Though I can understand if it's entire dungeons or something like with Wind Waker, it'd take a lot of work. For Paper Mario, I just remember this guy living in my head when I first saw him as a kid.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

As someone way too interested in cut content, I'd love this. Though I can understand if it's entire dungeons or something like with Wind Waker, it'd take a lot of work. For Paper Mario, I just remember this guy living in my head when I first saw him as a kid.
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In big corpos minds effort > quality.
You can beg them however many times you want they won't add back cut content because that'd take effort. They'd also remove existing content if it wouldn't piss off little jimmy cuz they'd be making it into a worse game than the original.

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

TTYD honestly feels like it's already a dead game and i wonder if that's why theres no script restoration mod yet. I don't see anyone talk about the game online. I get Nintendo and RPG stuff recommended all the time, but I don't see anything about this game anymore. I searched on YouTube and it's only giving me results from 3 weeks to a month ago. It feels like Color Splash, Sticker Star, and Origami King had much bigger staying power, maybe because they were so decisive, while this one is largely a bland remake.

I still don't understand why Nintendo doesn't take all the cut content from their rushed gamecube games and implement them in the remakes. I think that would have helped this game and Wind Waker a lot if they had done that. And also not mess with the script.

I loved that game as a kid.

So the Vivian tranny controversy. Did that have any impact on sales or reviews? Initially I thought it was a big revision by some American taking too many liberties. But it seems like it only affected like 2 lines of dialogue so not a big enough deal?

 

[The Lawgiver]

So the Vivian tranny controversy. Did that have any impact on sales or reviews? Initially I thought it was a big revision by some American taking too many liberties. But it seems like it only affected like 2 lines of dialogue so not a big enough deal?

There were a lot more nonsensical alterations to the script that weren't accurate tothe JP original but the vivian tranny line addition thing got quickly used as a go to scapegoat for all criticism of the changes by framing people pointing out the differences as"transphobes" or "right wing grifters". US remake script's not accurate to the JP original like the localizers claimed, or even accurate to the JP remake (which had almost all the same lines as it's original release save for the vivian lines) People still bought it anyways because it's TTYD and the only people still talking about it are people that are goofing on the nonsense alterations while playing or people obsessively horny over the fact there's a trans character like doobus goobus.

 

[0 0]

I loved that game as a kid.

So the Vivian tranny controversy. Did that have any impact on sales or reviews? Initially I thought it was a big revision by some American taking too many liberties. But it seems like it only affected like 2 lines of dialogue so not a big enough deal?

The average consumer didn't care, be it for or against. I'm sure some reviewers pointed it out, but the game reviewed and sold fairly identically to its original version if I remember correctly. Normal people don't follow along with drama and controversy exclusive to internet discourse.

I saw something that said the Gamecube release had more sales at launch, but I assumed it was only counting physical copies and not digital, since the original was released on an extremely unpopular console with considerably less hype behind it. It is at least known for sure it sold better than Origami King.

 

[Human Institute Director]

Dead in terms of not making the impact that the people like Arlo who desperately wanted this remake to happen so a new generation could see for themselves what Paper Mario once was and so their dream of more games like this would be made again. It doesn't seem to have made the impression they were hoping for. It came and it went and it seems like that's all that's going to happen. This game was hyped up for years and it got initial excitement, but it seems like mainly from the people who played the original and maybe a few here and there who never did. I really can't see this remake being the savior that so many people wanted for the franchise so that more games like it can be made, and to me that means it's DOA.

I mean, what did you expect? A BOTW/Odyssey tier breakthrough? What game exactly makes that kind of impact nowadays?

 

[Kit Marz]

I mean, what did you expect? A BOTW/Odyssey tier breakthrough? What game exactly makes that kind of impact nowadays?

The Arlo types fully expected it to be that way. There are tons of videos and posts across sites with the premise that if people could play TTYD that they would see how Paper Mario should be. My position is that it wasn't and was never going to be that way. Like I said, the game came and went and will most likely be a footnote in the grand scheme of things and will not bring the change they hoped for

 

[Human Institute Director]

The Arlo types fully expected it to be that way. There are tons of videos and posts across sites with the premise that if people could play TTYD that they would see how Paper Mario should be. My position is that it wasn't and was never going to be that way. Like I said, the game came and went and will most likely be a footnote in the grand scheme of things and will not bring the change they hoped for

That's being delusional. Mario RPG doesn't move crowds like that, it was always more niche compared to main Nintendo entries.
TTYD remake might have an impact on the discourse when Nintendo announces the next Mario RPG depending on what it is, but that's about it, you can't expect a Mario RPG title to influence the landscape beyond future Mario RPG titles. A remake, no less. TTYD already created its niche sub-genre back then. The remake is just going to make the RPG demands more vocal when we inevitably get Paper Mario and the papery cardboard in 2 years.

 

[Kit Marz]

That's being delusional. Mario RPG doesn't move crowds like that, it was always more niche compared to main Nintendo entries.
TTYD remake might have an impact on the discourse when Nintendo announces the next Mario RPG depending on what it is, but that's about it, you can't expect a Mario RPG title to influence the landscape beyond future Mario RPG titles. A remake, no less. TTYD already created its niche sub-genre back then. The remake is just going to make the RPG demands more vocal when we inevitably get Paper Mario and the papery cardboard in 2 years.

I agree with you. A lot of nintendo fans get delusional when it comes to their favorite franchises. I have always like the first two Paper Mario games and would like it if they made more like it, but there are some extremely devoted fans who will be devastated when they find out that nothing will change and like you said get another cardboard or paper gimmick again. They hoped the remake would be like BOTW in terms of impact and sales so their fantasies would be fulfilled and it was never going to happen.

 

[Metallic Blood]

They hoped the remake would be like BOTW in terms of impact and sales so their fantasies would be fulfilled and it was never going to happen.

This is what 12 years of awful/mediocre games of your favorite series does to a fanbase. Ngl, I wasn't expecting this remake to have BOTW levels of impact (specially with an "ok" remake like that, sheesh), but I was sorta hoping that this would be a sign of the golden age of Paper Mario being brought back once more.

...and then they announced M&L: Brothership, and that hope has been drown and left forgotten since then.

Oh well, I guess I can't complain much, since there's now an actual new Mario RPG game that I'm excited towards to. Too bad that game won't ever be a Paper Mario one.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

To those who are disgusted at Born of Bread having the 'not John K Cal Arts Tyle', I found something that may make you feel worse.
Rainbow Billy is probably the anti-Kiwi Farms Paper Mario.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1106830/Rainbow_Billy_The_Curse_of_the_Leviathan/

I tried the game on Switch, bu the game spent almost 2 minutes loading the title screen. This was the digital version I pirated and installed on the SD Card.
The rest of the game seems to run fine, though I have played very little of the game.
The Leviathan looks very cool, even within the cutesy rubberhose æsthetic, though.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

To those who are disgusted at Born of Bread having the 'not John K Cal Arts Tyle', I found something that may make you feel worse.
Rainbow Billy is probably the anti-Kiwi Farms Paper Mario.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1106830/Rainbow_Billy_The_Curse_of_the_Leviathan/

I tried the game on Switch, bu the game spent almost 2 minutes loading the title screen. This was the digital version I pirated and installed on the SD Card.
The rest of the game seems to run fine, though I have played very little of the game.
The Leviathan looks very cool, even within the cutesy rubberhose æsthetic, though.

Bro you'd make good clickbait content on youtube. From the first paragraph I expected a SJW game, I was prepared for a lecture on how much gamergate killed political discourse with this fucking wall of text, but no instead it's just the graphics that bother you.

And yet y'all still think Bug Fables looks good lmao.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Bro you'd make good clickbait content on youtube. From the first paragraph I expected a SJW game, I was prepared for a lecture on how much gamergate killed political discourse with this fucking wall of text, but no instead it's just the graphics that bother you.

And yet y'all still think Bug Fables looks good lmao.

Actually, the graphics do not bother me, but may bother others, who are averse to tha type of stuff.

The whole game has Paper Mario gameplay, but, instead of violence, you talk out others' problems, who turn others good. The game is extremely sweet.

Spoiler: Endgame

Th ending also shows tha the whole game is also a metaphor of a 'non-binary' child coming to terms with a *phobic father who never actually abused the child. The father just sent him to therapy in making the 'non-binary' child normal and a 'manly' uncle in making the 'nob-binary' child more 'manly'. He got into a conflict wi the uncle and therapist who said 'your non-binary child is perfectly fine'. The 'non-binary' child even had the idea of 'Maybe I was wrong about being non-binary and should accept my natural body', but he refused to go back to sanity. Someone 'helpful' possibly hypnotised him into accepting being 'non-binary'. In fac, the plot on the Leviathan getting rid of all of the colours eem to be a methaphor of *phobes turning the BGLT+ word cishet.

 

[Dreadnought]

The slot machines in pianta parlor are fucking rigged.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

And yet y'all still think Bug Fables looks good lmao.

Do people actually think that? It looks decent at best, definitely not good. And the game kinda sucks, starts off fine but just drags. Plus there's a fag in it.

 

[Coolio55]

Probably already known but I found it a very welcome surprise while searching TSR:
There's a big concept art gallery in the TTYD remake and it's been ripped.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

https://gamebanana.com/wips/85167

Looks like the 2004 mod for TTYD remake is dead. No updates after 2 months.