💰 Grifter Owen Benjamin Smith / Big Bear - "147 IQ" Cult Leader, Flat Earther, Dinosaur Denier, Self hating Jew

[Desktop User2]

I made a comment once about how he is like 2, maybe 3 months from turning away from the Christianity thing completely. He seems right on the edge of some "GUYS! Jesus was a magic Jew birthed to a whore! I was never all in with that shit, it's weird, if you believe in it you're probably a... probably a sodomite."

And then he'll get into some absolutely wretched esoteric shit, he already kinda feels there the way he talks about the Pope and literally saying the worst thing about Christianity is Christians. Then you consider his proximity to Vox Day who probably believes in some dumb shit about the Divine Right of Aristotelian Kings but also all religion being wrong.

Owen doesn't understand or like Christianity, and I think people see that. He's not even really political if you listen to a lot of it so it's not like he is a Right-Wing personality. He doesn't seem to have either knowledge or interest in politics beyond showbiz. And it's not like he's giving them comedy tips cause if you watch any clip you'll see him get upset at 3 or 4 comments that are obviously jokes, and he bans them cause he somehow took it as a threat.

Because like you said, if there's one thing a man's man like Owen would be known for it's overreacting to jokes and being really passive aggressive to the men in your life you beg for money.

So you mean a bright mind that resort to call everyone a pedophile to further any of his deranged "points" is not political?! So what would it be? Are you implying he goes out on bursts about celebrities while enlightening us and saving Murica just for grifting sake? That's absurd and very racist, sir! I'd bet you are saying that just because he belongs to the Hollywood tribe...

 

[Jewish Porn Hoe]

One last thing: one of Owen's loyal Bears named Nate (who apparently worked for him and helped him write a book) tells his story from the inside now that he's realized what the fuck is going on.

Nate Slattery is Coddington Bear.
That's another long time supporter of Owen gone. He was the guy who went after Ty Richards, a Austin musician who wasn't a bear but adjacent to Owen and did free labor like designing tour posters for him, on behalf of Owen. Richards AMA is linked earlier in the thread.

Then you consider his proximity to Vox Day who probably believes in some dumb shit about the Divine Right of Aristotelian Kings but also all religion being wrong.

Nah, Vox Day is just a speshul snowflake wrt Christianity. His blog contains copious amounts of sperging about trinitarianism and him very, very word games with people who call him out on his bullshit.

The more read about this lawsuit and the shenanigans Vox and Benjamin engage in the more I'm convinced these two are 100% sociopathic grifters who're faking all of it and laughing about the people who follow them and hand them money.
Constant lies, lies and more lies, the shit they pulled with UA.tv and the attempt to pretty much extort 3,4 million from Patreon are what happened only recently and are therefore probably the tip of the iceberg.

Oh, and kind reminder Owen and Amy rent out an AirBnB for 550$/day and it's booked nearly all month, meaning that's a lovely 15k USD this month alone.

If this motherfucker was attending synagogue they'd tell him to go easy on the goyim.

 

[BOONES]

Woah woah woah. I can accept alot of things but this dude doesnt like dinos?

That's where I cross the fuckin line, dinos are fuckin cool.

 

[tantric_depressive]

I’d say Owen should try DMT but I hate the idea of my favorite, most inaccessible thing in the world being wasted on him. There’s a chance it could help, though. If only he hadn’t burned his bridge to Rogan, he could have tried it.

lol, Owen would be doomed. He'd end up a permanent resident in Alex Jones' Clockwork Elf alien dimension, just because that'd be the dominant frame of reference he'd have in his over-stressed, under-developed mind, while taking his first shaky steps onto his anxiety-riddled final journey.

Shit, that'd be glorious to watch a livestream of. I wonder if Jan Irving and Owen have ever crossed paths? Irving could probably be bribed to 'influence' Owen into a very spiritual direction like this tbh

 

[John Andrews Stan]

I love that this goofball’s fans are the ones who ended up putting Patreon against the ropes in court lol. (archive)

 

[High Tea]

I love that this goofball’s fans are the ones who ended up putting Patreon against the ropes in court lol. (archive)

I can't believe it. There does appear to be some wiggle room for Patreon, the wording referring to 'large creator'. What is considered a 'large creator' and why are they the only ones this applies to?

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Meanwhile, the likes of Daily Dot are taking sides and of course they’re taking Patreon’s. I love seeing self-described “progressives“ cheer for big business to ruin the little guy.

 

[Jewish Porn Hoe]

Funny how Cernovich glosses over the fact that "the bears" actually did jack shit and are nothing but meat puppets who merely signed a bunch of papers so the multimillionaire Owen Benjamin (who has a larger passive monthly income than what most "bears" make p.a.) can cash out with a ~3 million dollar settlement from Patreon.

The amount of hand rubbing involved in this is unreal.

Edit: Cernovich is absolutely fucking lying, this will accomplish nothing against Silicon Valley censorship (which originates with CC processors anyway). More Alt-Grift lying here.

 

[NotStopped]

Meanwhile, the likes of Daily Dot are taking sides and of course they’re taking Patreon’s. I love seeing self-described “progressives“ cheer for big business to ruin the little guy.

Patreon is actually a much smaller business than you would expect from its brand, this lawsuit would be causing them pain and worry imo. Owen isn't a little guy either, he's a psychotic millionaire ebegger who is using his vast audience of paypigs to wage lawfare against Patreon for personal reasons. Don't even entertain the idea that this vanity suite is relevant to internet censorship and Owen is on the side of the little guy, anybody honestly interested in fighting online censorship should ignore this lawsuit completely since it can only make the whole cause look bad.

 

[Jewish Porn Hoe]

Here's what is probably going to happen:
Patreon loses/gets their lawsuit dismissed. The bear cases get kicked back to arbitration, Patreon has to pony up the fees in advance, the bears will lose.
Patreon can now sue the bears to recover fees. Owen will lose his arbitration case like Milo Yiannopoulos did.
There was no chance that Patron would replatform Owen anyway, the guy was kicked off for behaving like a /pol/shitposter on Twitter circa 2014 and has gone worse from there (e.g. death threats on stream).

And absolutely nothing will change because Mastercard/Visa are still the ones who decide who can stay on platforms and who can't despite what grifters and e-beggers like Mike Thernovich say.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Patreon is actually a much smaller business than you would expect from its brand, this lawsuit would be causing them pain and worry imo. Owen isn't a little guy either, he's a psychotic millionaire ebegger who is using his vast audience of paypigs to wage lawfare against Patreon for personal reasons. Don't even entertain the idea that this vanity suite is relevant to internet censorship and Owen is on the side of the little guy, anybody honestly interested in fighting online censorship should ignore this lawsuit completely since it can only make the whole cause look bad.

That's ridiculous. This isn't some tortured legal argument that lucked into a retarded judge, this is a very useful piece of California law being used for precisely it's intended purpose- remember the furore a few years back when MRAs got "Women in Tech" events shut down using the Unrue Act? Same shit. You don't have to like MRAs to see that they were doing nothing more than asserting their rights under the law as written.

 

[Jewish Porn Hoe]

(shamelessly stolen from r/owenbenjamin btw)

California law being used for precisely it's intended purpose

Dude, you're being put on a ruse cruise by a bunch of grifters and conmen. Here's the sequence of events:
The Big Tard Bear gets a TOS ban from Patreon for hate speech.
Big Tard Bear opens his own arbitration. They change the rationale from tortious interference to deceptive practices.
The lolyer of Owen does pic related ("Nice little company you got there, wouldn't it be a shame if it drowned in arb fees? You can always pay up instead.")
Patreon changes it TOS to forbidding group arbitration *and* maintains the bears accepted the new TOS.
Then the bears all file identical demands for arbitration against Patreon.

This is why Patron is suing in the first place, they want all the claims thrown out before they go to arbitration.
The fact that most people seem to get their facts about what is going down here from Thernovich (who is buddy-buddy both with Dox Gay and Marc Randazza) and whole rightish e-celeb grifter orbit repeating it gives most a completely skewed picture.

Jack Conte and the rest of the Patreon crew may be a bunch of cum guzzling Bay Area shitlibs but this has jack shit to with going against "Big tech censorship", this about getting a fat paycheck for a cult leader and probably his grifter buddies.

In fact, if Owen wins this bigly the situation could easily get much worse.

Edit:

Sargon & Cernovich run Defense for Owen Patreon Lawsuit Update 7/13

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Here's a stream by Davy Crocko who goes over some of that stuff.

 

[Rekkington]

Watching his clips, he talks about "squirting" a lot. It means cumming, but it's applied to all sorts of shit. In his recent Beartaria Pledge Drive

Owen Benjamin's "Beartaria" Timeshare Pledge Drive - Day 6

Day 6 of former comedian Owen Benjamin live streaming himself robbing his fans blind

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He talks about squirting in relation to his manic paranoia making him lose his mind on people over the past weeks. And then July 4 he "squirts" and feels better. It's schizophrenic nonsense.

Another minor update on his streams, while Beartaria in Northern Idaho is no longer happening because:
1). The land was already bought up because Owen is a landowning trendsetter.
2). He managed to raise 40k in total, rather than the 20% of 2 Million he said at the start.
he's had at least 2 of his fans come forward saying they already have like 100 acres in California and a huge acreage in Texas to become part of his Bear Trail of interconnected shitstorms. So even his fans managed to figure this shit out, except they are donating it to his master plan.
Oh by the way ladies and gentlemen, over the past week or so Beartaria has transformed into something that "lives in our hearts." Donating money is a metaphor, guts, it's a goal to get you to heaven, it's logos (I'm convinced he doesn't know what that means.)

Also based on what he's discussed all his schemes for what it will turn into are really stupid and useless. He keeps mentioning doing comedy festivals and music festivals. I'd recommend looking into Insane Clown Posse and the Gathering of the Juggalos to get an idea of how insanely difficult and risky this is. But also, nobody is going to a Northern Idaho middle of nowhere campground to see a comedy festival made by a guy who thinks you're gay if you believe in the moon, and a black twink using stolen valor to try and fuck people's girlfriends online.

This isn't even Communism, this is Feudalism, this is one dude owning the land and bringing in peasants to work it for him and give him the spoils, and he can't even convince people with 21st century stuff. "It'll be so cool, you can live in a tiny house and eat raw potatoes, my wife said it's okay!"
It has to be because Feudalism is an autistic thing to know about in the 21st century but that's literally what he is proposing as a cool new idea. At BEST being a peasant, and at worse - given his doomsday scenario - being his slave. I'd have more respect for him if he was a Marxist, right now it's "GUYYYYYS! Pay me to be your king and work for me for free making the land I bought with your money valuable! Why? BANNED. Banned for life, see ya sodomite."

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Patreon changes it TOS to forbidding group arbitration *and* maintains the bears accepted the new TOS.
Then the bears all file identical demands for arbitration against Patreon.

This is why Patron is suing in the first place, they want all the claims thrown out before they go to arbitration.

And the judge's presumptive judgement on the TOS change and claim dismissal is "LOL, no, get fucked."

The fact that most people seem to get their facts about what is going down here from Thernovich (who is buddy-buddy both with Dox Gay and Marc Randazza) and whole rightish e-celeb grifter orbit repeating it gives most a completely skewed picture.

I see, so the law and judgement derived from it don't count because... bad people are in favor of it? Is this the argument?

 

[Getting tard comed]

Here's what is probably going to happen:
Patreon loses/gets their lawsuit dismissed. The bear cases get kicked back to arbitration, Patreon has to pony up the fees in advance, the bears will lose.
Patreon can now sue the bears to recover fees. Owen will lose his arbitration case like Milo Yiannopoulos did.
There was no chance that Patron would replatform Owen anyway, the guy was kicked off for behaving like a /pol/shitposter on Twitter circa 2014 and has gone worse from there (e.g. death threats on stream).

And absolutely nothing will change because Mastercard/Visa are still the ones who decide who can stay on platforms and who can't despite what grifters and e-beggers like Mike Thernovich say.

Why would Patreon file to sue for an induction (stop the arbitration) if the arbitration was going their way? You don't like Vox or Owen, that's fine you don't have to. But from all reports, even from people who hate Vox's guts and disagree with him he doesn't lie. Vox is on record multiple times now saying Patreon is losing in arbitration. Judging by their lawyers performance at the hearing I dont have reason to think they are doing much better in arbitration.

Two questions: Whybare you so convinced Patreon is winning/will win in arbitration despite all evidence to the contrary?

Why do you want any company to have the right to not only remove someone from their platform for arbitrary purposes not stipulated in the contract agreed to, and why do you believe a company should have the right to change the rules in the middle of the game to benefit them?

If this wasn't Owen would you still feel the same way?

 

[Jewish Porn Hoe]

Why would Patreon file to sue for an induction (stop the arbitration) if the arbitration was going their way?

Because they didn't want to pony up the cash *and* weren't exactly optimistic about getting their money back from the bears either (according to the docs a lot of them are walking credit risks).
Also, if my memory doesn't fail me Teddy effectively threatened another hundred arbitration claims, meaning he's planning to use his brainlet followers as legal suicide bombers.

You don't like Vox or Owen

No shit, they're scumsucking grifters ranking slightly above Zoe Quinn.

even from people who hate Vox's guts and disagree with him he doesn't lie

Yeah, that's fucking bullshit.
Vox Day is a habitual liar who has lied about (just on top of my head) his own accomplishments, the accomplishments of his ancestors, the accomplishments of his children, the products he's peddling, having a disabled guy who trolled his shitty blog hauled away by police, being able to beat up Joe Rogan and probably a fuckton of other stuff.
If that dweeb told me the sky was blue I'd go outside and check.

I dont have reason to think they are doing much better in arbitration.

You realize Teddy threw out his original legal team, which consisted of some of his blog commenters and high school buddies and instead retained a lawyer charging rates somewhere between 900 and 1000 bux per hour, right?
Does this sound like someone confident in the way the suit was going to you?
Also, go watch the Croko video. Milo recently lost arbitration against Patreon, they tried to bring him into the case and got slapped down by the judge too.

Why do you want any company to have the right to not only remove someone from their platform for arbitrary purposes not stipulated in the contract agreed to

Let me explain this to you slowly: These rules (NewProject2 by Dick Masterson had similar stipulations) exist because if Visa and Mastercard come knocking and tell you to drop person because they engaged in hate speech according to their definition/offended the Learned Elders of Zion/drew loli guro scat hypervore comics your choices are:
1. drop the person
2. don't drop the person and lose your ability to process funds thereby driving your company into the ground

Under these circumstances a guy who drinks turpentine, rants about the Earth being flat, the Holohoax, the fake moon landing and goes NIGGERSNIGGERSNIGGERS in public won't be platformed soon again.
And it doesn't matter what I, you, Teddy Spaghetti or Owen want. As long as these powers exist this is the name of the game and remedying the situation would require action the federal level in the US.
Anything else grifters looking for a payout under the guise of free speech.

And the judge's presumptive judgement on the TOS change and claim dismissal is "LOL, no, get fucked."

News at 11: Judges can be retarded and btw the Vic case says "Hi".

I see, so the law and judgement derived from it don't count because... bad people are in favor of it? Is this the argument?

Hey, remember that time when Cernovich pretended he was the one who blew open the Epstein case leading to his arrest when in fact he was operating as proxy for Dershowitz to dox Epstein victims?
Very trustworthy person.

 

[Besachf Jhakut]

But from all reports, even from people who hate Vox's guts and disagree with him he doesn't lie.

As Jewish Porn Hoe says, Vox is a fundamentally dishonest person, and you can figure this out by reading his blog for only a month or so, his lies are that blatant and frequent. The story he's spinning about how the litigation is going is plausible, but don't depend on it.

Maybe check his latest celebrating another hit job against Einstein, which as usual never mentioned the photoelectric effect and Brownian motion papers, the first being the specifically cited item in his Nobel. If you debate Vox on exactly that point, he'll declare you a Gamma when he runs out of other evasions, although I suppose in all fairness someone more ignorant of science than a housewife who uses hot water to loosen a tight lid on a jar is severely handicapped with discussing anything STEM. Too bad for him STEM is of overwhelming importance in today's world, has been for centuries.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

The point is obviously to bankrupt Patreon. It doesn't matter if the claims for arbitration are meritorious or not, Patreon has to cough up millions against opex, of course that's the goal. You won't find those involved in the case saying this explicitly because that would give patreon a potential argument against them, but that's clearly the goal.

Adhesion contracts tend to be presumptively lawful but that is not an ironclad defense against getting told your contracts are fucked and unenforceable for various reasons because you can still run afoul even if you put it down in writing. Like this is basic shit, it's just in most cases it never makes it to a point of the contract being scrutinized by a judge because the cost of getting it there in the first place is prohibitive to the parties who would seek relief. The dice tend to be weighted in favor of the party who made the contract, but that's no guarantee, especially if you keep changing the contract directly in response to people attempting to follow your contracts.

Mostly though all this whining about grifting is kinda odd because the only parties likely to get jack shit are everyone's lawyers, it's not unlikely that the bears lose on arb, and even if they win patreon will probably have to shutter due to losing Mastercard and not getting the arb fees aspect reversed. Nobody makes money except the lawyers and patreon goes down. Explain in detail where the grift is because I don't see it.

This looks to me more like a bunch of people losing money to fuck over a very specific totem of silicon valley tech.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

The point is obviously to bankrupt Patreon. It doesn't matter if the claims for arbitration are meritorious or not, Patreon has to cough up millions against opex, of course that's the goal. You won't find those involved in the case saying this explicitly because that would give patreon a potential argument against them, but that's clearly the goal.

Adhesion contracts tend to be presumptively lawful but that is not an ironclad defense against getting told your contracts are fucked and unenforceable for various reasons because you can still run afoul even if you put it down in writing. Like this is basic shit, it's just in most cases it never makes it to a point of the contract being scrutinized by a judge because the cost of getting it there in the first place is prohibitive to the parties who would seek relief. The dice tend to be weighted in favor of the party who made the contract, but that's no guarantee, especially if you keep changing the contract directly in response to people attempting to follow your contracts.

Mostly though all this whining about grifting is kinda odd because the only parties likely to get jack shit are everyone's lawyers, it's not unlikely that the bears lose on arb, and even if they win patreon will probably have to shutter due to losing Mastercard and not getting the arb fees aspect reversed. Nobody makes money except the lawyers and patreon goes down. Explain in detail where the grift is because I don't see it.

This looks to me more like a bunch of people losing money to fuck over a very specific totem of silicon valley tech.

To many people, “grifter” just means “person with followers for whom I have a raging hate boner.”

 

[Rekkington]

This looks to me more like a bunch of people losing money to fuck over a very specific totem of silicon valley tech.

This is why I've done a complete 180 on this, at first I thought this was just Owen and Vox doing some dumb shit but the moment I clued into how it was these Bears just trying to land as many stab wounds as they can just to show people can fight back, I am 100% on board. If all this accomplishes is one giant fuck-you to these pieces of shit, it's worth it. "Oh it's really Mastercard pulling the strings" okay they're next. Let's all figure that out. Every step of the way, the general public learns how this labyrinthine perplexing ass rape works, learns who the leaders are, and where the pain points are.

This is why, while I detest Laura Loomer, her taking a strip off of Facebook in whatever way she can should be applauded. People are using the very same system that persecutes them to attack these colossal motherfuckers because for once they didn't have their Legion of Litigious Jews read the fine print.