One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

[TenMilesWide]

i think every time the world ends the sea levels rise and bury the past. that in turn causes many old rulers to lose their power only to be replaced with new ones. imu knows whats coming and does what he can to make sure he will always survive. i dont think imu wants to stop it i think he just wants to make sure he is the only ruler but to do this he needs to get rid of any form of freedom be it joy boy or nika or anyone with the will of d.

I had been thinking that the sea level rise and burying the past would turn out to be a result of Imu subverting the cycle rather than any natural order of things, like prior to the Void Century the situation was just that an emissary of the Sun would roll through and inspire the people to topple their tyrants and install new leaders every now and then, laughing all the while.
Imu and the other founding WG families saw that coming in the form of Joy Boy and decided to end the world on their own terms (by sea level rise and burying the past) to crystallize their power and "end" the cycle.
It would be a thematic/symbolic thing where they get to keep control, sure, but with a landmass and populace that shrinks every time they squeeze the fist.

Luffy's wild dream in that case would be to drain the ocean so everyone can walk around on the bottom, which he wants for selfish reasons possibly involving cartoon logic but would coincidentally upend the World Government by revealing the true history and illegitimacy of their thousand-year reign.

 

[Random Internet Person]

i think every time the world ends the sea levels rise and bury the past. that in turn causes many old rulers to lose their power only to be replaced with new ones. imu knows whats coming and does what he can to make sure he will always survive. i dont think imu wants to stop it i think he just wants to make sure he is the only ruler but to do this he needs to get rid of any form of freedom be it joy boy or nika or anyone with the will of d.

And now Luffy’s exploits have forced Imu to go into overdrive. Gone were the days of the world being in blissful ignorance.

Luffy's wild dream in that case would be to drain the ocean so everyone can walk around on the bottom, which he wants for selfish reasons possibly involving cartoon logic but would coincidentally upend the World Government by revealing the true history and illegitimacy of their thousand-year reign.

The only thing stopping that from happening is the fact that Luffy’s dream is the same dream that Roger had, and Roger’s whole thing was that he was “too early”, whereas Luffy would be “right on time. Now let’s begin.”

Also, draining the ocean where everyone can walk on the bottom seems like the silly thing Luffy would do, but your coincidence you mention could be where the prophecy and Whitebeard’s final words come to fruition. It’d also make sense considering his whole mantra is “being pirate king means having all the freedom in the world”.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Having the ending planned out in advance really worked well for How I Met Your Mother.

Didn’t they have to rush it because the story essentially ran real-time, and someone did the math and figured out that if they didn’t move forward soon there wouldn’t even be enough time to gestate the framing-device-kids?

Not what happened.

The writers always intended Ted/Robin as the endgame but when filming the pilot, they threw in a fake out VO saying Robin wasn't the mom. Which put them in a bind because the show only got picked up by CBS because of the mystery box of who the mom was and not doing the obvious thing of it being Robin.

When season one was airing, they filmed the final scenes where the entire series turns out to be Ted telling the story of his and his friends wild 20s/30s to get the kids to tell hin they give hin permission to date "aunt" Robin when theur mom dies. Partly to firewall as the kid actors get old and because they wanted it in the bank in case the show got canceled prematurely.

The biggest issue is that NO ONE expected Barney to become the breakout character, especially since NPH had just gone out as gay and was still dealing with being typecasted as Doogie Houser. Or that his relationship with Robin became so popular with viewers, over Hannigan/Seigel and Ted's various women. Or that fans would actually get invested in the show paying off who the mom was, as the writers (once the show became a huge hit) behind the scenes were full on "its all about the ride, not the destination" and thinking they could have their cake and eat it too. Which ultimately backfired on everyone in the show when they did their planned ending.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Not what happened.

The writers always intended Ted/Robin as the endgame but when filming the pilot, they threw in a fake out VO saying Robin wasn't the mom. Which put them in a bind because the show only got picked up by CBS because of the mystery box of who the mom was and not doing the obvious thing of it being Robin.

When season one was airing, they filmed the final scenes where the entire series turns out to be Ted telling the story of his and his friends wild 20s/30s to get the kids to tell hin they give hin permission to date "aunt" Robin when theur mom dies. Partly to firewall as the kid actors get old and because they wanted it in the bank in case the show got canceled prematurely.

The biggest issue is that NO ONE expected Barney to become the breakout character, especially since NPH had just gone out as gay and was still dealing with being typecasted as Doogie Houser. Or that his relationship with Robin became so popular with viewers, over Hannigan/Seigel and Ted's various women. Or that fans would actually get invested in the show paying off who the mom was, as the writers (once the show became a huge hit) behind the scenes were full on "its all about the ride, not the destination" and thinking they could have their cake and eat it too. Which ultimately backfired on everyone in the show when they did their planned ending.

Kind of funny you mention “the ride” because I believe Oda mentioned something similar in that “the journey is important, but the destination is just as important, along with what’s at the end of it”. Also, for all those issues you mentioned, Oda must have gotten really lucky that a lot of his moves went down well so he really didn’t need to pivot much (I think the only time he’s ever had to stick to his guns was when Ace died and he made a habit of saying “he’s staying dead”) .

 

[Incecticyder]

Kind of funny you mention “the ride” because I believe Oda mentioned something similar in that “the journey is important, but the destination is just as important, along with what’s at the end of it”.

The journey and the destination are symbiotic. Imo, they need each other. A story with a good journey but a bad destination is said to have wasted potential. A movie with a bad journey and a good destination is what we call a slow burn. That is not to say that the destination is going to be the end all be all. The audience is far more receptive to mediocre journeys with good destinations than good journeys with mediocre destinations. "The Usual Suspects" come to mind. I think Oda understands this quite a bit.

Also, for all those issues you mentioned, Oda must have gotten really lucky that a lot of his moves went down well so he really didn’t need to pivot much (I think the only time he’s ever had to stick to his guns was when Ace died and he made a habit of saying “he’s staying dead”) .

Lucky is... Well you can argue that luck was involved but that is not all. First things first, many of Oda's ideas were controversial when first shown. Entire arcs were seen as bad by the audience for one (Syrup Village, Skypeia, Tottoland) only for further examination to elevate them. Characters seen as one-dimensional at the start became fan favorites (Bellamy, Bartolomeo, Mr. Pink, Bonney and more). Let us not pretend that every idea Oda had was recognised as great when it was first suggested. As for pivoting, I think it was a combination of good luck, good writing and good instinct in how to tweak an idea to make it work even slightly better to make it easier to stomach in the short term. Oda himself mentioned that a lot of the things we consider iconic about One Piece were not in the original script (Ace's lineage, the Supernovas etc).

 

[McMitch]

A movie with a bad journey and a good destination is what we call a slow burn.

A slow burn is something appreciated in afterthought, where the pace is deliberately slow because it makes an exponential rise at the end, rather than being a linear escalation throughout, but it is still competently constructed. A bad buildup, rather, is incapable of having a satisfying conclusion because, as you said, they are reliant reflections of each other.

The journey itself is almost more important because the payoff means nothing if you don’t actually care what happens to the characters therein.

 

[Monolith]

Also, draining the ocean where everyone can walk on the bottom seems like the silly thing Luffy would do, but your coincidence you mention could be where the prophecy and Whitebeard’s final words come to fruition. It’d also make sense considering his whole mantra is “being pirate king means having all the freedom in the world”.

I'm absolutely convinced that the Red Line is coming down. We've met people from almost everywhere, with the sole exception of the non-Marejois Red Line.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Lucky is... Well you can argue that luck was involved but that is not all. First things first, many of Oda's ideas were controversial when first shown. Entire arcs were seen as bad by the audience for one (Syrup Village, Skypeia, Tottoland) only for further examination to elevate them. Characters seen as one-dimensional at the start became fan favorites (Bellamy, Bartolomeo, Mr. Pink, Bonney and more). Let us not pretend that every idea Oda had was recognised as great when it was first suggested. As for pivoting, I think it was a combination of good luck, good writing and good instinct in how to tweak an idea to make it work even slightly better to make it easier to stomach in the short term. Oda himself mentioned that a lot of the things we consider iconic about One Piece were not in the original script (Ace's lineage, the Supernovas etc).

you’re not wrong, that’s for sure. It must have been really fun to see all those moments when they first went down.

As for “things not in the original script”, I do remember Oda saying Shanks losing his arm was because his editor said he needed something to raise the stakes, and IIRC the whole thing about Ace’s parents was mostly from Oda himself and his feelings that he was about to become a father.

 

[Incecticyder]

A slow burn is something appreciated in afterthought, where the pace is deliberately slow because it makes an exponential rise at the end, rather than being a linear escalation throughout, but it is still competently constructed. A bad buildup, rather, is incapable of having a satisfying conclusion because, as you said, they are reliant reflections of each other.

I am not arguing that a deliberately bad journey/destination has any merit. I am saying that the "slow burn" term has been used for stories with somewhat weak beginnings/mids but great payoffs. Obviously pure slop is not going to be saved by any short of ending but a story can work even if the early stuff is not breathtaking from the start. The ending is supposed to put things into perspective.

The journey itself is almost more important because the payoff means nothing if you don’t actually care what happens to the characters therein.

They are equal. A bad journey means I do not care about the characters and a bad destination makes me regret caring about the characters.

you’re not wrong, that’s for sure. It must have been really fun to see all those moments when they first went down.

The One Piece Cycle! This Arc/Character/Revelation/Plotpoint sucks and it does not fit One Piece! => This Arc/Character/Revelation/Plotpoint was genius and elevates the story! => Repeat. Reminds me of that Big Bang Theory meme where the Sheldon goes WHY? WHY? WHY? Oh that is why!

As for “things not in the original script”, I do remember Oda saying Shanks losing his arm was because his editor said he needed something to raise the stakes, and IIRC the whole thing about Ace’s parents was mostly from Oda himself and his feelings that he was about to become a father.

Oda was blessed with editors that get his story and know when to let him cook and when to give ideas.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Luffy's wild dream in that case would be to drain the ocean so everyone can walk around on the bottom, which he wants for selfish reasons possibly involving cartoon logic but would coincidentally upend the World Government by revealing the true history and illegitimacy of their thousand-year reign.

luffy does seem like the type of character to somehow find the oceans drain plug and lower the sea levels that way. though i am also very very suspicious about the red line. part of me wonders if the seas are even actually rising and its not actually just the red line growing larger by absorbing all the surrounding land little by little over time

 

[TenMilesWide]

I'm absolutely convinced that the Red Line is coming down. We've met people from almost everywhere, with the sole exception of the non-Marejois Red Line.

luffy does seem like the type of character to somehow find the oceans drain plug and lower the sea levels that way. though i am also very very suspicious about the red line. part of me wonders if the seas are even actually rising and its not actually just the red line growing larger by absorbing all the surrounding land little by little over time

The One Piece treasure includes a dickbutt diagram of Nika punching the top of the red line so hard that the cartoon physics restructure the lands and seas. Roger laughed because he understood he could not achieve this. Luffy will laugh because he will know that he can, and it will lead to his other dream.

 

[Random Internet Person]

luffy does seem like the type of character to somehow find the oceans drain plug and lower the sea levels that way. though i am also very very suspicious about the red line. part of me wonders if the seas are even actually rising and its not actually just the red line growing larger by absorbing all the surrounding land little by little over time

Sounds like the conflict is Groudon vs Kyogre from Pokemon RSE.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Everyone is ignoring the most important part of this chapter.

Yamato has Ulti(and presumably Page one cause Ulti is gonna bully him into it against his will) as minions now.

Edit : Random Guess Time.

Brook will fight Kizaru..because Brook moves at near or faster than light speeds.

 

[Mr. 0]

Why is Gunko now covering her right eye?

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Why is Gunko now covering her right eye?

Sharingan?

 

[Tetragrammaton]

The One Piece treasure includes a dickbutt diagram of Nika punching the top of the red line so hard that the cartoon physics restructure the lands and seas. Roger laughed because he understood he could not achieve this. Luffy will laugh because he will know that he can, and it will lead to his other dream.

the fact that i could see luffy becoming giant and doing this amuses me. given how the red line is almost like a wall blocking people off from one another and getting rid of it would give people the freedom to explore this might actually end up being what happens.

Brook will fight Kizaru..because Brook moves at near or faster than light speeds.

this would be an interesting fight thinking about it. i could also see brook taking advantage of his ice attacks to somehow trap kizaru and taking him out that way.

Why is Gunko now covering her right eye?

i have two theories either 1. its because her arrow ability gets messed up if shes looking at anything else but the target or 2.shes two people fused together somehow and she has to cover the eye of the other person because they might fight back if they see her doing something they dont agree with kinda like cavendish and hakuba i think his name was.

 

[Snake of Diamond]

Everyone is ignoring the most important part of this chapter.

Yamato has Ulti(and presumably Page one cause Ulti is gonna bully him into it against his will) as minions now.

Edit : Random Guess Time.

Brook will fight Kizaru..because Brook moves at near or faster than light speeds.

gonna be honest i am not paying attention to what Yamato is doing at the start of each chapter

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

gonna be honest i am not paying attention to what Yamato is doing at the start of each chapter

I mean Yamato is the best girl.

 

[Mr. 0]

Well now I need to find the whole pic.

I mean Yamato is the best girl.

IS SHE NOW
www.reddit.com/r/funpiece/comments/18gm500/fire_fuck_ace_strikes_again_acrylictoon

Spoiler

 

[Incecticyder]

i have two theories either 1. its because her arrow ability gets messed up if shes looking at anything else but the target or 2.shes two people fused together somehow and she has to cover the eye of the other person because they might fight back if they see her doing something they dont agree with kinda like cavendish and hakuba i think his name was.

Her ability is vector manipulation.