One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

[Random Internet Person]

SHIT THAT KUMA SHOULD HAVE DONE ALREADY.

Motherfucker should have Yeeted Saturn back to The Red Line when he did that mega punch.

Wasn’t Saturn in spider form at that point? Maybe the Gorosei have the Mary Geoise treasure: something that surpasses devil fruits, given to them by Imu, who cultivates this power giving thing.

To be fair, story of Kuma’s life that. And most ‘good’ characters in OP. Not doing things they really should have.

Probably because it’d have made the story so much shorter than it currently is.

Yeah. I predict several chapters as we need to show them off and how they get hurt is clearly going to reveal something about how Imu has to be faced. Only for Blackbeard to have, as he often does, have gotten lucky and be afforded the ablity to sidestep fighting Imu head on.

1. Does Blackbeard even want to deal with Imu? He just wants to have all the perks the world government can give him. While taking down every seafarer that gets in his way.

2. I think you’re right about Imu considering Imu has the same transformation powers. We’ve already seen the giants cut into Peter in his worm form.

 

[Kurohige]

SHIT THAT KUMA SHOULD HAVE DONE ALREADY.

Motherfucker should have Yeeted Saturn back to The Red Line when he did that mega punch.

True, but he's a vegetable currently(?), so what do?

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Maybe the Gorosei have the Mary Geoise treasure: something that surpasses devil fruits, given to them by Imu, who cultivates this power giving thing.

It’s One Piece the treasure is going to be something of important sentimental value that will make you laugh at how dumb it is most likely.

1. Does Blackbeard even want to deal with Imu?

Even if he does not want to he is likely going to have to. Cause Blackbeard can’t have the world if Imu already has it.

2. I think you’re right about Imu considering Imu has the same transformation powers. We’ve already seen the giants cut into Peter in his worm form.

Yeah Elders seem like ‘need to show off Imu but too early and need to show that Luffy would struggle and can’t take him 1 v 1,’

 

[Random Internet Person]

It’s One Piece the treasure is going to be something of important sentimental value that will make you laugh at how dumb it is most likely.

That’s the issue: it’s hard to think of anything that leads to that, at least for Mary Geoise. Laugh Tale though, I can comprehend how that could leave to laughs.

 

[FatR]

And Mihawk is still stronger.

That’s what makes the fact skeleton horse sword god just but everyone to shame.

Because it means Mihawk is above that.

Zoro is so fucked.

Buggy will be King. Mihawk will make sure of it.

It is impossible to tell Mihawk's power level with certainty, because he had never been pushed to the limit or even forced into a fight with actual personal stakes, but there is a wealth of circumstantial evidence pointing out that he's not strong enough to deal with an Admiral/Emperor going all out, and therefore holds his title on a technicality of Shanks not calling himself a swordsman despite primarily using a sword.

The Elders so far are demonstrating feats that put them in the same league as their most OP admiral. Perhaps half a step below, or perhaps even above, depending on how difficult it is to stop their instant regeneration.

Also, if One Piece is going to end soon, all Straw Hats but Luffy aren't likely to have actual resolutions to their arcs, the story is just going to say that now their arcs are resolved. A way to do this with Zoro is to relegate his showdown with Mihawk to a flashback to the timeskip and say that the title had passed to him on a technicality. Because theire would be no time to either make Mihawk great again or build up Gandhi or Crescent Face as The Real Strongest Swordsman, Shiryu is a dishonorabru sneak attacking shitter, and Shanks cannot be fed to Zoro because all of his connections are with Luffy.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Also, if One Piece is going to end soon, all Straw Hats but Luffy aren't likely to have actual resolutions to their arcs, the story is just going to say that now their arcs are resolved. A way to do this with Zoro is to relegate his showdown with Mihawk to a flashback to the timeskip and say that the title had passed to him on a technicality. Because theire would be no time to either make Mihawk great again or build up Gandhi or Crescent Face as The Real Strongest Swordsman, Shiryu is a dishonorabru sneak attacking shitter, and Shanks cannot be fed to Zoro because all of his connections are with Luffy.

I’m not sure that’ll actually happen because Zoro’s whole arc has been never losing again, training to fight Mihawk to take his title, and be the greatest swordsman ever to accompany Luffy as king of the pirates. I’d wager that it’d be the arc where it’s the Straw Hats face their last fights and challenges before claiming The One Piece.

Also, I’m still banking on The One Piece being something that boosts abilities, so for Zoro, it’d be a sword or armor that can make any power gap with his opponents nonexistent.

As for the other arcs, I think only Robin and Luffy have arcs that can’t be relegated to being shown as completed in an epilogue. And even then, I doubt Oda is the kind of guy to leave plot threads hanging. He’s made his reputation and the length of One Piece on tying up loose ends.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

It is impossible to tell Mihawk's power level with certainty, because he had never been pushed to the limit or even forced into a fight with actual personal stakes, but there is a wealth of circumstantial evidence pointing out that he's not strong enough to deal with an Admiral/Emperor going all out, and therefore holds his title on a technicality of Shanks not calling himself a swordsman despite primarily using a sword.

It suggests the opposite. It suggests Shanks was the only one that could give him a challenge and when they were finally equal Shanks lost an arm.

Zoro’s goal is not a technicality, it would be the higest of disrespect to essentialy the second main character in the series.


If anything Samurai Gandhi and Figarland seemed like they were set up for Mihawk to style on.

Also, if One Piece is going to end soon, all Straw Hats but Luffy aren't likely to have actual resolutions to their arcs, the story is just going to say that now their arcs are resolved. A way to do this with Zoro is to relegate his showdown with Mihawk to a flashback to the timeskip and say that the title had passed to him on a technicality. Because theire would be no time to either make Mihawk great again or build up Gandhi or Crescent Face as The Real Strongest Swordsman, Shiryu is a dishonorabru sneak attacking shitter, and Shanks cannot be fed to Zoro because all of his connections are with Luffy.

There’s plenty of time when you consider the sheer amount of stuff that’s happened in the last 50 chapters alone. But it’s Oda so as reasoned we’ve got likely 100-150 to go.

People really underestimate the obvious prep and build up Oda has been doing for all the core dreams to moreorless resolve at once

 

[Kari Kamiya]

From Tekking's 1110 review:

 

[Kurohige]

Zoro’s whole arc has been never losing again

*Water 7 Lucci

I’d wager that it’d be the arc where it’s the Straw Hats face their last fights and challenges before claiming The One Piece.

Also, I’m still banking on The One Piece being something that boosts abilities, so for Zoro, it’d be a sword or armor that can make any power gap with his opponents nonexistent.

If the crew is going to get any power-ups, regardless of sudden they are, it's before they find One Piece. IIRC, Oda has stated the main story (minus any epilogues) ends when they finally reach that titular treasure.

 

[Random Internet Person]

If the crew is going to get any power-ups, regardless of sudden they are, it's before they find One Piece. IIRC, Oda has stated the main story (minus any epilogues) ends when they finally reach that titular treasure.

Except Whitebeard said “a great battle will engulf the world” and Oda plans to have “a finale that’ll make Marineford look like child’s play”.

And this is all AFTER the treasure is claimed.

People really underestimate the obvious prep and build up Oda has been doing for all the core dreams to moreorless resolve at once

I’m not sure if the thing is “underestimating the prep work” as much as it is “overhyping”. People think it’s a matter of paying off things that happened sagas ago, like Nika being foreshadowed by one panel of dancing at Skypiea, when in reality it’s probably a matter of Oda being like:

“Alright, time for the Gorosei to go out on the field and fight! *gets notes on Gorosei* Huh, been a while since I’ve first sketched out these animal forms for them. Can’t believe I finally get to use these! *looks at notes some more* Wait, I’ve really gone THIS long without revealing their names? Eh, better late than never, right?”

I’m sure Oda plans a lot of things out, and he certainly knows what the ending is and how to get there. But I have my doubts that it’s all a matter of perfectly analyzing the cause, effect, setup, and payoff of something hundreds of chapters later the microsecond he starts drawing a panel, as some fans and memes claim.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Oda definitely plans things out but he keeps the setup and foreshadowing vague enough as to not paint himself into a corner or really commit to anything.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Oda definitely plans things out but he keeps the setup and foreshadowing vague enough as to not paint himself into a corner or really commit to anything.

Sure, but I think some fans exaggerate how well he does it.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Except Whitebeard said “a great battle will engulf the world” and Oda plans to have “a finale that’ll make Marineford look like child’s play”.

Except there is no reason for the people involved to allow anyone to claim it before going after them, the Great Battle will happen when someone makes a move for Laugh Tale.

Also I wonder if there is a possibility that what Gol and crew were laughing at was separate from what the World Government fears, seeing as We know there are at least 2 things on Laugh Tale, A pile of "real" Treasure, and the History of the World.

I’m sure Oda plans a lot of things out, and he certainly knows what the ending is and how to get there. But I have my doubts that it’s all a matter of perfectly analyzing the cause, effect, setup, and payoff of something hundreds of chapters later the microsecond he starts drawing a panel, as some fans and memes claim.

I think he had a broad outline of the major points of the plot that needed foreshadowed..but keeps notes on things he might want to reference back to..Or just rereads the entire Manga once in a while.

 

[FatR]

It suggests the opposite. It suggests Shanks was the only one that could give him a challenge and when they were finally equal Shanks lost an arm

The problem is, in the actual story Vista (a no-name who was never heard about before or since) managed to give Mihawk a challenge. Sure, Mihawk would have won after going 100%. Probably without too much damage. But compare the impact that Vista had at Marineford with the impact Shanks had. And please don't tell me that Mihawk was phoning it. A lot of people were, and yet Aokiji or Doflamingo had actual accomplishments to their name at Marineford. After the timeskip, all of Mihawk's feats were massively surpassed long ago. He's hanging out with Crocodile whose entire personality is defined by being a loser. And he was a Warlord in the first place. He needs a very big role in the final war to make beating him into something meaningful again. Within 90, or even 150, chapters, he's not going to get it.

There’s plenty of time when you consider the sheer amount of stuff that’s happened in the last 50 chapters alone.

The last 50 chapters is what makes me think that no Straw Hat but Luffy will get any good resolution, that won't amout to the final chapters/epilogue just saying "and then they fulfilled their dreams". I mean, it was obvious a decade ago that Oda deems their presence suffocating, given how often he writes the crew out of the arc, splits the crew, or disregards plot threads related to the crew (most obviously, everyone in the crew still is treating Sanji's bullshit which got a ton of people, including named characters, killed, as if that never happened).

And during the last 50 chapters the story is rushing through the main plot, in which anyone but Luffy is involved entirely or primarily by association with him. Look, we're currently having an arc entirely revolving about the whole Nika business. Guess who has zero connection to it? The rest of Straw Hats. So in this arc they are... just there. Zoro got Luffy's sloppy seconds to barely have a very chopped and unsatisfying fight with. Everyone else... Forget character development, they don't even get cool moments. What makes you think that if story rushes to resolve the main plot from here onwards, the crew would be treated any better?

 

[Kurohige]

I mean, it was obvious a decade ago that Oda deems their presence suffocating, given how often he writes the crew out of the arc, splits the crew, or disregards plot threads related to the crew

The last times the whole crew had an all-out battle were Fishman Island and Wano (where Usopp looked his most fraudulent).

It's at the point (in this particular arc) now where I laugh every time I see someone who wants to see the non-Monster Trio Straw Hats fight opponents like the Vice Admirals who gathered on the island. Oda doesn't want to juggle that shit, and even if he did, it would even more unsatisfying than what agenda merchants think of Zoro vs Lucci.

I swear, no one wants to see the six bums on the crew after Sanji (more Ifrit feats pls), in terms of power, fight fodder just for it to end in inevitable loff-screen no-diffs just to fulfill something we know whether it isn't or is fleshed out: that the Straw Hat Pirates are indeed a Yonko crew.

All in all, Luffy's fights will be clean. Zoro vs. Mihawk will be alright. Akainu will be cherished, and Dragon will look West. However, start praying for Usopp vs. Van Augur, or shit like Chopper vs. Doc Q.

 

[ShitLurker]

Well, that escalated quickly. I did not expect the fucking Gorosei rollcall. Situation is getting muddier by the second and we still haven't seen the mystery giant robot under the lab make an appearance. I'm kind of divided, on one part I just want to know what Vegapank is sharing in his little podcast and want the situation to stabilize since I see too many of the big players now on the scene, on the other, if the Mugis start squaring off and having to fight the Gorosei with some Giant support and it devolves into a mosh pit for a few chapters, I'm definitely not going to say no to that.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

>everyone thinking the One Piece will be a power up
>in reality it’s a power down

 

[Cryogonal2]

and then Kuma teleports them out at tensions' tightest.

Surprise, 3D2Y 2!

 

[6MillionCoofs]

@FatR
Mihawk was not challenged by Vista. He was having fun and otherwise focused on Luffy.

And before that everyone’s response when Mihawk did anything was ‘oh f, we are screwed,

Shanks caused an issue because he’s very clearly connected to the people that run the world.

All of the Warlords weren’t going all out in Marineford.

Whole Cake heavily focused on Sanji
Wano absolutely focused on Zoro
Elbaf is going to focus on Ussop
Nami’s likely set to get heavy focus.

The core cast is absolutrly going to get and has got focused on. A lot. Spending 50-60 chapters focusing on end game stuff in between that is fine.

Jimbe’s goal is going to be hit when the fishman are freed.
Brook will get his conclusion when the read line comes down
Robin at laughtale
Franky when he upgrades the Sunny.

The fact is not that half the cast will get nothing or no focus the problem is a majority of the cast have end goals and dreams that will just happen and otherwise they don’t have much. And that’s always been the case. That being said, Oda’s absolutely going to dedicate time to ths.

I’m not saying the story is going to rush it’s main plot. I’m saying it could be easily done in 90 - 150 well. It’s not going to be because Oda is likely going to spend way long on stuff and introduce 10 new characters when 5 would do. Etc.

Also, plot threads not happening the way people want does not mean they are dropped.

 

[Random Internet Person]

@FatR the thing about Mihawk was that he never went all out mainly because he never felt a need to. When he faced Zoro first, he straight up told Zoro “I’m out of your league” so he used a dagger most of the time, until the final shot which was basically offering Zoro a courtesy because of his resolve that comes across as “Wow. You made me use 1% of my power” a la the Ultra Instinct Shaggy meme, and when Shanks challenged him, Mihawk wasn’t interested because Shanks had lost an arm.

Also, the whole thing about Mihawk is that he’s waiting for Zoro to reach his full potential before they fight for his title of world’s greatest swordsman. So what you get is basically the concept of the two headbands from Afro Samurai, except the owner of the #1 headband has made it known that nobody can touch the owner of the #2 headband until they fight.

And considering what Zoro has done, including training under Mihawk, I can’t think of anything he can do to show off his skill besides destroying Don Krieg’s ship. Hell, I think the other thing is that Mihawk has grown bored at being at the top for so long and that’s why he took an interest in Zoro as an opponent.

The last times the whole crew had an all-out battle were Fishman Island and Wano (where Usopp looked his most fraudulent).

It's at the point (in this particular arc) now where I laugh every time I see someone who wants to see the non-Monster Trio Straw Hats fight opponents like the Vice Admirals who gathered on the island. Oda doesn't want to juggle that shit, and even if he did, it would even more unsatisfying than what agenda merchants think of Zoro vs Lucci.

I swear, no one wants to see the six bums on the crew after Sanji (more Ifrit feats pls), in terms of power, fight fodder just for it to end in inevitable loff-screen no-diffs just to fulfill something we know whether it isn't or is fleshed out: that the Straw Hat Pirates are indeed a Yonko crew.

All in all, Luffy's fights will be clean. Zoro vs. Mihawk will be alright. Akainu will be cherished, and Dragon will look West. However, start praying for Usopp vs. Van Augur, or shit like Chopper vs. Doc Q.

@FatR I think it’s been well established how the formula goes: Luffy fights the main villain of the arc, Zoro (and maybe Sanji) fights the second/third in command, and everyone else fights the villain’s henchmen that mostly serves to undermine the villain’s grip on power before Luffy completely destroys it. Honestly, the most I can see the other Straw Hats getting a moment will be in the event they fight the Red Hair Pirates, Blackbeard and his crew, or Cross Guild, mainly because of the connections and the similar roles certain members have compared to the opponents, and even then, it’ll be a matter of Captain vs Captain because of course it is when it comes to Luffy.