🤝 Community Omegaverse, Yaoi, and MPreg Fandom Discussion Thread - God help us all

[Troonage Daydream]

Guys, did you know yaoi is feminist? This fujo who took one course says yes.

Imagine the mental gymnastics of saying that "yaoi is feminist because it doesn't use the damsel in distress trope". I don't understand why we can't....make more egalitarian straight romances? All the popular romantasies/smut I see nowadays that features a heterosexual couple always has the male lead kidnap, stalk, and rape the female main character. I don't think yaoi is the solution here, though. The sub twinks are still used as a self-insert for the female reader, it seems.

Also what kind of college class discusses yaoi???? Higher education is a joke.

 

[California Newt]

I don't understand why we can't....make more egalitarian straight romances?

Because that's a wet fart and everyone knows it.

No woman ever said, "oh my stars this man and woman are so eeeequal; I must now masturbate."

Sometimes men do (the "tomboy" guys), but women (correctly) accuse them of being gay and wanting boyfriends with vaginas.

And you can't even get those, despite what pooners promise. I think the women with the most masculine virtues are ironically the least likely to poon. You could probably say the same in reverse for men.

But I do think you're right that the female goonslop goes too far in the slavery rapemomster direction. It's probably overcompensation for the lack of an actual core, kind of like men's fixation on partialism stemming from an anemic emotional core to the fantasies presented.

 

[DeeNaMeeTay]

There should be no debate on this because is no such thing as good porn or smut. All porn is bad. Yaoi, yuri, straight, all of it.

It simulates a fake reality and illusion. It wastes time. It objectifies and strips away everyone’s humanity. It’s a self-indulgent ritual.

You will never be satisfied because it’s a beast that grows hungrier the more you feed it.

Porn bares no fruit, only fleeting pleasure.

 

[ruckingfetard]

Imagine the mental gymnastics of saying that "yaoi is feminist because it doesn't use the damsel in distress trope".

The thing I hate the most about yaoi shippers or just girls who are relentlessly critical of female characters (that may or may not get in the way of their ship) is that they only hate damsels when it's women. They hate to see those god damn HARLOTS being protected by these beautiful and innocent men. Meanwhile every trope they hate involving a woman is desirable to them when it's between men. That makes all their criticisms of women utter bullshit to me.
It's someone's fantasy, and that's it. Their fantasy isn't magically better because it involves faggots doing anal.

 

[Oddity]

As a guy, I do jack off to yaoi (specifically doujins) so it's interesting how many doujins are more female-oriented or just have more traps/femboys/tomgirls in them. It's hard to find doujins with a good self-insert and doesn't have lines like "you're turning my ass into a pussy!!" or "make me a girl now!!"

The one thing that bugs me is a lot of writers making characters trans in their fics. We need more dudes written realistically!

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Imagine the mental gymnastics of saying that "yaoi is feminist because it doesn't use the damsel in distress trope".

Even though the uke tends to be the damsel in distress?

 

[jfkfactsDOTorg]

As a guy, I do jack off to yaoi (specifically doujins) so it's interesting how many doujins are more female-oriented or just have more traps/femboys/tomgirls in them. It's hard to find doujins with a good self-insert and doesn't have lines like "you're turning my ass into a pussy!!" or "make me a girl now!!"

The one thing that bugs me is a lot of writers making characters trans in their fics. We need more dudes written realistically!

you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded

 

[jfkfactsDOTorg]

let's have a delightful yaoi uroboros: extremely well-adjusted author igingogi of popular korean yaoi manhwa slammer dogs, a story involving graphic prison rape and child abuse, found a random twitter fan's account and, in an unfortunately now deleted tweet, talked about how people reading her pirated work was causing her to (allegedly) self harm and (confirmed) shake and cry and throw up.

slammer dogs is serialized weekly on lezhin, a central hub of yaoi manhwa, where the infamous killing stalking was first published.

*apologies for double-posting. my edit button disappeared on my prior response.

 

[Chandelier]

I was unaware fujo TERFs and TERF shotacons were a thing. I really want to know if the latter are really TERFs because TERFs usually snuff out pedos. Radfems are posting Andrea Dworkin calling Allen Ginsberg a pedophile and calling out NAMBLA. There is currently a server error with archiving sites, so I'll add archived links later.



Bodybuilders are "repressed trans women":

Fujos terf subculture, eh? Start naming names.

There's also Dr. Bai here, a Chink living in the UK who got her PhD in premodern history. Considers herself a proshipper.

That's the same Aina who ran to that other thread to get asspats. She got bodied here:


Take a guess what Dr. Bai writes.

Only POCs there is Korra. Rest are pale males.

A username I recognized from the Tranny Sideshows thread showed up. Guess what they're peddling.

True to proshipping form, she defends lolicon and shotacon. The creator of Black Butler is infamously one.


And just in case her politics weren't known:

 

[Arbiter]

I was unaware fujo TERFs were a thing

There's definitely a section of fujos who also hate trannies (whether that makes them TERF or not is debatable, but that's usually all it takes to get you labeled as one). They usually have to keep quiet about it. There's an active fujo community on LC, and iirc people from there went on to found fujochan, which is one of the only places you can be openly anti-tranny and a fujo. They even have a thread specifically for photoshopping out zipper tit scars and changing vaginas to penises lol.

 

[Chandelier]

There's definitely a section of fujos who also hate trannies (whether that makes them TERF or not is debatable, but that's usually all it takes to get you labeled as one). They usually have to keep quiet about it. There's an active fujo community on LC, and iirc people from there went on to found fujochan, which is one of the only places you can be openly anti-tranny and a fujo. They even have a thread specifically for photoshopping out zipper tit scars and changing vaginas to penises lol.

Just found a random thread of theirs and they are complaining that yuri fans are calling out misogyny. Here were some responses.

You ARE self-inserting - you just do it with the feminine man vs the masculine one. The dynamics are still the same.

Losing it over a yuri fan who had a completely normal take:

That user also happens to like yaoi, she just has a preference for yuri. She is a multishipper so she likes everything.

"Yuri cope" and they are rightfully asking where the lesbians are.

This list came from last year; this year the top ship was Jayvik, with Buck/Eddie from 9-1-1 being second and CaitVi third. People DO write for lesbians, they just aren't as popular because fujos are cock-centric.

One gives her profound reasons for liking yaoi: the bare-ass minimum for men acting like human beings:

> Tired of seeing women sexualized
> Is fine with seeing the woman-like character with a smaller form and smaller dick be sexualized
> It's ultimately based on inferiority and jealousy of female characters

That website also has mentions of the Kiwifarms, and mentions the Fanfiction horrors thread - which I frequent and post to a lot - as a 'great source of milk':

Well you heard 'em lads, better step it up with your shitty redraws!

"Trans politics are a majority in BL spaces"
If they weren't, you wouldn't have to run here, would you?

 

[Hum Humina]

There's definitely a section of fujos who also hate trannies (whether that makes them TERF or not is debatable, but that's usually all it takes to get you labeled as one). They usually have to keep quiet about it.

There were more than a few of them on Ovarit. They tended to be pretty vague about fandom specifics, but if you'd been around fujos for more than a minute, you knew.

I also once saw one of the original OTW board members like a TERF journalist's tweet on her real-life account. I think there are more radfem-leaning older fujos out there than you might expect, just waiting for the first big name to be their Fujo J.K. Rowling.

 

[DeeNaMeeTay]

I have more respect for Fujos that at least admit that they just like two men making out rather than expressing this whole grandstanding and moral righteousness for supporting muh gay rights and not sexualizing women (lol). They could’ve just stayed in their niche degenerate side of the internet for stuff like this but NO. Let’s harass people for not shipping blatantly hetero male characters that are just friends and send death threats to showrunners and voice actors of the female love interests because they are evil for existing and not abandoning their established plot line for yaoislop!

Also them saying that they are victims and that they don’t give men slack for wanting to see two lesbians make out is so wrong. They are justifiably called out for being weirdos for doing that, the reason that we see fujos have more pushback is because the fujo hivemind DEMANDs canon ships in the shows a lot more often and are active in harassment brigades while men have no shame and just jack it in their goon caves.

 

[California Newt]

I was unaware fujo TERFs and TERF shotacons were a thing. I really want to know if the latter are really TERFs because TERFs usually snuff out pedos. Radfems are posting Andrea Dworkin calling Allen Ginsberg a pedophile and calling out NAMBLA.

So do chuds, but look how that works out: their kingmakers on social media rub shoulders with the same pedotrannies as the lefties behind the scenes. There are plenty of examples on this website:

I haven't watched the recent Kino Casino, but people are talking about luminescent activity so I figured while there's eyes on that it'd be a good time to share this bit of forgotten lore about Shawn.

Back in 2018, Shawn helped expose a trans BLACKED underage grooming server involving a 16 year old transsexual user by the name of Traea/Nat Hemel, who had seemingly overnight suspiciously become a decently sized far-right account. He tried to share it with Jim and others on the Killstream but was too drunk and made a fool of himself. Anyhow, the people involved in the server had amiable connections to both big righty accounts as well as lefties like some transsexual communist named Cosmo (not sure who that is).

Aside from flashing the card of his FBI contact during the stream (don't know if that's unusual), the oddest thing about the whole scenario was that the whole Weekly Sweat episode was later set to private. I don't know when this was, because I only went back and checked after Shawn and Beardson circled the wagons for Nick and Kami's 10 hour catboy date. What's notable is that the same people in Traea's circles are also in Nick's circles, like this Stempai guy, who (to their credit) helped out Traea and their server in the first place:



Traea was also oddly buddy-buddy with guys like Crisprtek, but I've lost the archives.

Maybe Shawn and Beardson only took it down to put it up on gumroad or something, I don't know. If not, here's the stream. At the very least it's entertaining in its own right and sheds some lore on the sex weirdo underbelly of all this stuff. It was recoverable from a broken page on the Wayback Machine.

It's not enough to say "I'm calling out Ginsberg and NAMBLA and snuffing out pedophiles online": it's about spiritual warfare.

Imagine you're an American Revolutionary in Boston, and you're trying to launch cannonballs at King George—across the Atlantic Ocean—rather than deal with the Redcoat right in front of you. The redcoat is the gooner within; King George is the untouchable blackmail-goonocracy that runs our society.

I'm sure that many of those TERFs are actual TERFs, just like the chuds are (usually) actual chuds; the problem is that both think "well, I can goon a little on the side; we can still achieve the chudnostate/femnostate or whatever" and then these guys come scoop them up and twist them. At least chuds pay conceptual lip-service to spiritual warfare; TERFs seem defenseless.

Part of the problem is self-control, but the other is lacking an alternate creative framework to express those libidinal energies (in the form of zeal) in a real, non-cope way: without that. the gooners are gonna win every single time. Where are the great chud or TERF works of art (I know the chuds of history overwhelmingly dominate art, but I mean contemporarily)? Contemporarily, the chuds have Murdoch Murdoch and snootgame (arguably) and that's about it—that and a body of killer, sublime greentexts. I've never heard of TERF art or literature unless we count Harry Potter, which is a decent W.

 

[Chandelier]

During the AO3 stat fallout, there was a response from a man named Julian C. Williams, who insisted that women writing gay porn were not the problem and were not self-hating misogynists. When presented with evidence of the top ship on that list engaging in racist caricatures, he had nothing to say, and turned it around back to homosexuality due to NPC malfunctioning. Link / Archive

Do we not complain that straight men watching lesbian porn is objectification and that's the only reason why they accept them? That the only reason women watch gay porn is to de-center themselves so they will not be objectified?

Oh. He doesn't know.

He was given receipts:

And what was his response? He writes force-femme trans porn, therefore it's 'different' for him. Insists he isn't a chaser, before refusing to address the claim Bruh presented and circling back around to homosexuality. The statements made about fans harassing showrunners was also glazed over.

No one said you were a chaser, either. You brought that up yourself. Later, he gives the usual excuses why women consume yaoi: patriarchy.


> They can't think of mean boyfriends for women
> Write the men in yaoi being abusive rapists instead
> Fail to see how that confirms Bruh's points about it being fetishistic
> Ends the argument by saying he 'isn't attracted' to that person
They're the wrong sex. He really wants to get fucked by girlcock. He has a Substack where he writes about 'Breasted Boobily' 15-year-olds getting their tits leered at by grown men like a creep. Also has an article where he insists that everyone should write smut - including his own Breasted Boobily forcefem trans porn.

"Freud made me do it"

Here's the id that 'cries out for release': describing a 15-year-old's breasts in a Medieval setting like he's the new GRRM.



Take that, woke moralists! We're evening the odds by writing bizarre sexually charged scenes with big tittied teenagers!

On a related note, during a CaitVi event, the heads of the challenge stressed that their event needed consent as one of the rules. FTM fujos lost their fucking minds; a majority of those who tried to dogpile the event weren't even Caitvi fans. They were MLM/yaoi/Jayvik fans. People asked if MLM fans were more popular because they supported rape in their fic. They answer was yes.

"Let me write rape, otherwise I'll leave your lesbian ships in the dust."

Admitting that men rape more than women AND that you only like MLM as some part of revenge fetish? Say it ain't so. This user ended up getting ratioed, for good reason. But the casual admittance F/F ships aren't as popular due to smaller incidences of sexual violence says a lot, doesn't it?

 

[Paper Machete]

Admitting that men rape more than women AND that you only like MLM as some part of revenge fetish? Say it ain't so. This user ended up getting ratioed, for good reason. But the casual admittance F/F ships aren't as popular due to smaller incidences of sexual violence says a lot, doesn't it?

M/M shippers are obsessed with unhealthy if not overtly taboo pairings. This is one of the main reasons they like M/M in the first place, because it's outside the norm. They refuse to just be honest about it. (Well, that and such heavy NLOG-ery that they don't want to think about other girls, even fictional ones, getting any.) Any rando justifications they came up with are just desperate attempts to make their chosen form of schlickfic more legit.

Also, you know what? I'm just going to say it. Just like with people IRL that are shit as sex and have boring personalities who use weird kinks and BDSM as a cover for being bad at sex and unable to ignite any sparks...writers on ao3 use kink and BDSM and toxic relationship dynamics the same way. They can't really write for shit and make up for it by being edgy.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

writers on ao3 use kink and BDSM and toxic relationship dynamics the same way. They can't really write for shit and make up for it by being edgy.

Now that is an objective FACT. If the tags are extremely edgy, and the final chapter count is undetermined, its a guaranteed sign that the writer is hot garbage

 

[Chandelier]

Pro shippers like to say they respect boundaries and people's choices. Here's them gloating about a fanficcer writing rape to spite those mean lesbians who didn't want rape in their event.

"They were asking for it" and it features a penis owner raping a woman...curious choice, there.

A Wincest fan tells a coon to shut her ass up.

If you wanna be a good nigga, you gotta ship them white folks. If not, it's up a tree with you.

In an ironic twist, they were calling other people conservative puritans:



Another user points out a long-standing dynamic of the "top" being beastly, and the "bottom" being white and civilized. If you don't believe me, just look at the "Captive Prince" covers.



Asking the real questions.

"It's mainstream media's problem"
"Excuse ME why are you asking ME to draw more darker skinned characters?!"

Turns out, that "fandom purity" page ran defense for NAMBLA:

"Just write your own!”

 

[DeeNaMeeTay]

Why is it always the mlm ships that have the worst quantity of shippers?

To my knowledge the worst fandoms of straight ships were Reylo, Twilight Jacob vs Edward, and the Miraculous Ladybug Love square. The worst wlw ship fandoms were probably clexi, catradora, supercorp, bayojeanne, bumblby, and togachako.

But with toxic mlm fans I can name 20 off the top of my head. What kind of crack is in male-centered ships that drive these people insane?

 

[Paper Machete]

But with toxic mlm fans I can name 20 off the top of my head. What kind of crack is in male-centered ships that drive these people insane?

Most of them are addicted to pretty extreme pornography...it's just written/drawn, so it's the usual extreme porn brainrot. I mean it's seriously not that difficult to go into any fandom, filter for m/m, and then just scroll and see how much rapey shit you run into or anything else crazy.

Also, again, I find the purposeful autistic questions like "but you like men....but not buhlack men, curious!" game to be so retarded. It's not a gotcha. Black men are 1. just not attractive to them apparently 2. do not pretend as if the "discourse" wouldn't be 100x worse if the usual m/m tropes were being used with darkies. I mean all the rape, yandere type shit, all the extreme kinks, etc. It's honestly a good thing fujos ignore them or the usual suspects would all have aneurisms since they breathlessly sit on those character tags to complain about no content and then to complain when content is there and it's not up to some imaginary standard.

A lot of those asian characters are also cartoons. While they're meant to represent actual asian characters a lot of them look nothing like what actual asians do irl, let alone what anyone else does. They're cartoon and manga characters. Bakugo from BNHA is technically a Japanese kid in universe but he's also drawn stylistically and has blond hair and bright red eyes, so I think it's dumb to make comparisons to actual real people or racial politics. If you see some pairing that's named like xiaojang wang/yongwoo bubu it's not like actual chinks but some long haired cartoon with super sparkly eyes or whatever and anyone writing about them buttfucking each other is paying absolutely no thought to it being "representation" for the slant eyes.

Both sides pretend this stuff isn't just entirely deranged self-indulgence but in opposite directions. It's amusing at this point.