Official homeless people hate thread - It's easy to hate the rich but are you brave enough to hate the poor.

[Jive]

Homelessness should be illegal and they should be thrown into work camps. If they sober up fine and build enough money they can buy their freedom by signing onto a lease agreement.

 

[Male Idiot]

I think they should just be forced into labor some people aren't cut out for the complexity of modern society and if they won't work they'd be better off basically being serfs

That's what the Soviet states did.

Say what you will about communism but it worked.

I'm not even talking about gulag. Just get them into a shelter and put them to do menial work.

A modern solution for regular hobos would be a shelter where they can sort out trash. Recycle plastic, sort out bottles, get paid in shelter, basic food and the cheapest beer you can get.

If the economy is good, give them a small paycheck they can spend or hoard for rent.

The drug zombies need to be locked up in an asylum where they can howl at the moon and play with their turds.

 

[CowBoyCormack]

Current year hobos seem like a different species from bums of old. When I was younger, I lived in an area that was notorious for having a homeless problem, although by today's standards it would be better off than most American cities. There were bums, but they behaved like human beings. They'd ask for money politely, you'd say no, and that would be that. These days cities are infested with feral zombies shooting up in the street, screaming incoherently, and attacking women, children,

Used to volunteer for the homeless in a soup kitchen, will do a tldr but if someone does want to read.

Spoiler: Homeless before Covid

There are definite differences that you can see over the course of the 2010s. In my city at least, in Canada anyways, most of the homeless tended to be elderly folk, and in particular immigrants from eastern Europe. I wasn't quite sure how they had gotten to Canada, but I guess after living in the country, they fell through the cracks. Maybe they had no retirement, maybe their relatives had died, maybe social security wasnt enough for them to retire properly on, and so they wound up living vicariously on the streets.

They tended to be really grabby with the free food and items, like a zombie mob, but were relatively contained and I guess I could understand their situation somewhat.

Bear in mind that even throughout that era, there were also crazies and druggies. Id put them in the minority, but you did used to see some mentally ill homeless people who, regardless of what you did or what programs you offered, probably would not have a place within society. Ive thought about them a lot and there arent many options overall for them outside of either institutions, or generous familial care with family custody (but also, taking care of a mentally ill person is not easy and a full time job unto itself).

Anyways

Something happened in the mid 2010s that really accelerated with covid-19. Started seeing more and more younger people among the homeless- people who should have no business being homeless, who were arguably physically fit, capable, etc.

Not going to diagnose what caused this, could be the bad economy, could be just younger people being less well adjusted, probably a combination of both.

But more and more of these people would either be heavily on drugs, or mentally ill- or mentally ill from drugs.

Instead of older people who may have a shit hand, over the years there have been more and more druggies. With the legalization of public intoxication (or police just not giving a fuck), youd start to have people shooting up in the streets, prostituting in alleys and within tents, etc; to the point where even volunteering wasnt safe.

They have my pity and sympathy, but homeless people are definitely of a different variety now than they were a decade ago.

I don't know if Id say that I want to hate them, but everything in the thread I can acknowledge and understand the rage against them, and really Id place my own at the government for not only allowing, but enabling this to happen with open street drug policies, among other things.

 

[Maker's Mark]

Canada's homelessness problem is so bad I genuinely believe that the only solution is to arrest any homeless person on the street.

 

[Devious Dave]

Canada's homelessness problem is so bad I genuinely believe that the only solution is to arrest any homeless person on the street.

I don't understand how you can be homeless in a place like Canada you'd think the winter would kill them all off

 

[Rootless Cosmopolitan]

REAL homeless people are homeless for a month TOPS. They are normal people who had a very bad break and manage to get back on their feet in short order. Schizophrenic drug addicts who indefinitely live on the street and shoot heroin in the library should be lit on fire. They give ACTUAL homeless people a bad rap and soak up all the resources and clog the programs meant for people who truly want, need and will actually use help from the government or non-profits. Do your part and throw drinks and garbage at them. Normalize making trigger squeezing gestures at hobos begging at red lights.

YES YES YES. 95% of homeless people transition back to being housed and employed in a few months or less. They’re women leaving abusive relationships, young people running away from home, men who made a lot of $$ in a construction job and got in a car accident while drunk or some other dumbass choice, etc.

These people suffer from a combination of bad luck and poor decisions, but it’s the type of thing Judeo-Christian tradition tells you to overlook and offer a hand up. Who among us has not sinned, after all!

They are also the biggest VICTIMS of the “chronically homeless”, who prey on them constantly.

We owe it to the unfortunate people in our society to protect them from violent feral hobos.

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

hey man you look just like my cousin my cousin is in the hospital can you swipe your card for two dollars can i borrow two dollars for gas to get to my cousin's house no well can i borrow your phone can you take me down the corner just drop me off at the corner man

 

[Chuck McGill]

The solution unironically is to just strip legal protections away from them. The term 'outlaw' used to mean something other than "I'm a country boy that wants to look cool and edgy". It meant exactly that, you are outside the protections of the law. Make it legal for me to break the subway flasher's legs and throw him shivering into the road, and you'll see how quickly this issue resolves itself. I don't give a fuck if some filthy shivering drug addicts suffer 'hOoMaN rIgHtS AbOoSeS", they aren't people anymore. Only their victims are. If you see one of them on the street, you unironically should have the right to hit them.

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

YES YES YES. 95% of homeless people transition back to being housed and employed in a few months or less. They’re women leaving abusive relationships, young people running away from home, men who made a lot of $$ in a construction job and got in a car accident while drunk or some other dumbass choice, etc.

These people suffer from a combination of bad luck and poor decisions, but it’s the type of thing Judeo-Christian tradition tells you to overlook and offer a hand up. Who among us has not sinned, after all!

They are also the biggest VICTIMS of the “chronically homeless”, who prey on them constantly.

We owe it to the unfortunate people in our society to protect them from violent feral hobos.

The solution unironically is to just strip legal protections away from them. The term 'outlaw' used to mean something other than "I'm a country boy that wants to look cool and edgy". It meant exactly that, you are outside the protections of the law. Make it legal for me to break the subway flasher's legs and throw him shivering into the road, and you'll see how quickly this issue resolves itself. I don't give a fuck if some filthy shivering drug addicts suffer 'hOoMaN rIgHtS AbOoSeS", they aren't people anymore. Only their victims are. If you see one of them on the street, you unironically should have the right to hit them.

Sometimes I get the feeling that the ruling class enjoys terrorizing the general population with these meth/fent zombie people. It's just another way to keep everyone subjugated and looking over their shoulder, never feeling truly safe. Newsom proved in California that they could just make the problem go away overnight if they felt like it. But they don't.

 

[BradeRunna]

It depends on why they are homeless. Drug addicts mentally ill and drunks? I hate them.

People that are homeless because they are poor or whatever. No, I don't hate them.

 

[Agitated Gerbil]

The way I remember it from stuff I read way back when, the authentic 1920s - 30s hobos were essentially ordinary people who got mauled by the Great Depression and took to the road, working odd jobs and so on. Some took a liking to that lifestyle even after the economic situation improved. The basic point is they weren't alcoholics or junkies, and if alcohol was involved it wasn't the cause of them being homeless but just a consequence down the line. this is why stuff like the "hobo code" and so on came about, they weren't insane. The modern homeless is more like a vagrant in feudal Europe - something went so horribly wrong with you you alienated everyone due to your violence, mental illness or some other issue you just got ejected from society. The two are not comparable.

Most modern homeless are of the inherent fuckup variety.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Say what you will about communism but it worked.

Communist governments were notorious for fabricating their own statistics and problems. They didn't really solve their homeless or unemployment problem. You should not trust what a communist government tells you about its problems, they're only good at lying.

Newsom proved in California that they could just make the problem go away overnight if they felt like it. But they don't.

California tried to solving homelessness by spending millions to help them. All that happened was the homeless destroyed their housing with crime, drugs and waste. Then the non-profits responsible for them embezzled what was left.

 

[Dysnomia]

Here in the United States, we have programs, shelters, church groups, and more to help homeless bums get off the street. The bums you see on the streets are the ones who actively choose to be there. See, a lot of homeless help is conditional: you can't be a violent druggie, you have to work to improve yourself, and so on. This means every homeless person you see on the streets is there willingly: they'd rather be homeless junkies than get help.

I had some extended family that chose to be homeless due to mental health problems. Even when someone offered to pay for an apartment they refused. They both ended up dying on the streets.

You just can't help everyone. I read a story about this guy who had a PhD and went to Harvard. He had a very unusual name I can't remember. I wish I could so I could link the article. He came from a wealthy family, was married and worked at a book shop because he wasn't sure about his career path anymore. He became increasingly unstable, got divorced and ended up in a residential hotel for awhile. When he disappeared from there he was later found living amongst the homeless. He had no reason to be homeless. But thanks to unchecked mental illness this is the path he chose. He ended up being murdered by a couple of teenagers who both ended up getting a slap on the wrist.

Again, you can't help everyone. Sometimes you just have to realise there's nothing you could have done that would have changed things.

 

[foam rolla]

I don't have an exact opinion on whether I hate homeless people. But I have seen what a couple can start doing to an area just by being there.

Bum #1

I once lived in a quiet, nice town and you didn't really see homeless people around.
In town, there was a supermarket that had closed and the building was in the process of being sold. Some old bum started living in the entrance way where trucks would load into the store. At first people ignored it but after a while he was there all the time along with mattresses and piles of clothes. Over time, more and more shit was piling up around this store like shopping carts, blankets, bags of old DVDs, bits of food waste. All this shit was spilling out onto the sidewalk and he was then putting shit into the nearby gardens. This part of town had been quiet for a bit but there were local businesses trying to build it up and bring more shoppers to it. But now had to contend with some bums hording trash there.

Eventually the cops or someone came around and threw all his shit into a dumpster and cleaned up the area. The guy disappeared for a few weeks but eventually came back and started the same thing started up again with piles of shit stacking up. There was a stench when you walked past and other bums started hanging around here. I felt bad for the woman who started renting the business next door as she had contend with filth outside her new shop. You would regularly see this guy pushing a shopping cart and gleefully yelling going past the nearby stores.

Someone ended up buying the supermarket and realized they couldn't access the loading area to the building as it was filled with trash and a dysgenic bum camping there. They eventually came in and threw all his shit out and kicked him out of there. I think he had a "oh my gawd, they stole my stuff and threw it away" moment. The area was now nice and clean but the guy decided to move into the public toilets a couple of shops down and was basically camping in the disabled stall like a freak. The local shop owners, families and shoppers now had a to contend with a bum who was camping in there day and night, moving his shit into the toilets and chain-smoking inside which made the toilet block smell like shit. Eventually he was booted out of there.

The cherry on tops was when I spoke to one of the nearby shop owners. They told me how he technically wasn't homeless but actually owned land in the next town over which was nice farmland that was being turned into more family homes. I asked them why he doesn't live there? they told me he doesn't have proper utilities hooked up on his land and wants to be closer to the main town so chooses to overtake businesses and public areas while leaving the place he owns empty. I then asked the shop owner "Why doesn't he sell his place and buy an apartment in town if he's not using his place?" They said they asked the bum the same thing and he replied with something like "I'LL NEVER SELL MY LAND. IT'S MINE AND I'M GOING TO DIE ON IT". He loved his land so much he never lived on it and spend his life smoking cigarette butts and yelling in front of local businesses.

Bum #2

We had a nice park in town. Lot of families, old people and visitors like going there. A few years back, this old bum who I think is mental started being there all the time. You'd see him going through the bins getting cans and hanging around these gazebos that are suppose to be for the public. He has an old junk car that's always there and filled with shit and I think he sleeps in it but pretty much all day he sits in this gazebo smoking, talking to himself or cooking foul smelling slop. From what I've seen, he doesn't harass people but most people avoid using the gazebo as they don't want to go near him. Sometimes people with no where else to sit will sit at the second table at the gazebo and awkwardly sit there having a coffee while he's there staring into the void.

Things are getting worse now as he's hording shit and putting it inside the gazebo and it's full of crap and the whole thing smells dank and derelict. I think the council sometimes go in and hoses it out and but it doesn't solve anything. He's also acquired a car trailer which is filled with random shit that's now taking up parking space in the mark and there's bags or random shit piled around the trailer. He's also acquired another car but isn't getting rid of his old junk car. That now sits in a parking space filled with shit. So pretty much one guy is taking over a part of a public park and even if he was offered some proper accommodation, I doubt he'd take it and instead will keep hording shit in the park. I doubt the community will do anything as he's been there for years and hasn't been moved on and when people discuss on social media how it could be an issue having him there, they get screamed at by local do gooders saying "OMG HOW DOES THIS EFFECT YOU? IT'S FINE. JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE"

So long story short, it's amazing how shitty a nice place can go from having crazy, homeless people take over and horde shit with an apathic public politely ignoring the problem.

 

[Koby_Fish]

NO! These people aren't going to get any better no matter how many clothes you give them, how many lunches you make for them, how many rides you give them across town or how often you let them come inside out of the weather. Nothing you can ever do will ever be enough because these people are fundamentally unwell, they are sinkholes that your good intentions will disappear into and never fill up.

you know it's bad when the motherfucking socialist bleeding heart let the crooks out to be the fucking witting or unwitting footsoldiers of The Revolution for the coming Police State NDP in Canada in British Columbia are seriously considering locking away the chronically mentally unwell/addict homeless up in secure facilities like they used to do, in places like Riverview Hospital in Coquitlam or Eric Martin Pavilion in Victoria.

 

[Male Idiot]

Communist governments were notorious for fabricating their own statistics and problems. They didn't really solve their homeless or unemployment problem. You should not trust what a communist government tells you about its problems, they're only good at lying.

They did that. Communist jobs were a lot of times inefficient.

But all of my Europoor ancestry lived it, and bums were not a problem.

But the west does it as well with usury and stonks and gdp.

The whole service economy is basically useless luxury services that make no real value.

This is still not good for society. It is just a different flavour from communism's shoe factory that only produced 1 type of shoe in 1 size, and had twice the staff needed for that.

 

[lol rascal]

The city of Grants Pass, OR has a few designated shitting streets homeless encampment spots.
You may recognize the name of this place from hits such as: City of Grants Pass, Oregon v. Johnson et al, in which the Supreme Court upheld the city's ordinance of prohibiting the homeless from camping in their parks. As I understand it, in the case it was argued that such an ordinance would be a violation of the 8th amendment.
Like many other places in the United States, there are a number of homeless outreach programs, charities, churches, treatment centers, etc in the area.

MINT (Mobile Integration Navigation Team) is a non-profit organization that opens warming/cooling centers, operates a small bus to provide medical care, meals, all that stuff. It sounds like they also operate their own shelter.
Anyway, for some time the city council had been working with MINT to financially go hand-in-hand with them on the purchase of a building to be fixed up and used as temporary housing. (I'm unable to explain how the finances were supposed to work, but I will link the city council's live-streamed meetings in case anyone is interested). Anyway, the building was a piece of shit, it would probably have been financially disastrous for this city to approve and go in on it, even if it didn't need massive improvements. I recall one person saying that the wood flooring in the building was from the 40s or something ridiculous. Imagine the picture of the homeless guy in a room posted upthread but many more people and in a worse building.

2025: there are some new people on the city council and decide, fuck this we aren't going to have anything to do with this building. There was a big hullabaloo about this, they had a special council meeting and tons of people showed up to express outrage at their belief that the council was trying to shut down not just MINT but all local programs... and trying to genocide the homeless. Almost no one even speaks in favor or against the actual topic at hand - the building and approval of the finances to purchase it - and instead they focus more broadly on the topic of homelessness in general. Just, lmfao.
There is quite a colorful cast of characters that appear. Here is the livestream (timestamps in the description). In the beginning there are some details about the loan or award that was being discussed to purchase the building. Maybe someone can explain that better than I can.

They also decided, during this same meeting I think, to begin shutting down one of three public encampment spots in the city. One of the remaining spots is now only open from 5pm - 7am (aka get a fucking JOB), and the other is literally right next to the police department, lmao. In that section of the livestream they also show some numbers about just how much it costs to perform upkeep on these areas. All the trash inside and outside provided dumpsters, portable toilets, handwashing stations, cigarette disposal, patrol and camera security, and on and on.

My takeaway from all of this is that people are in fact, sick of the literal and figurative shit that the homeless inflict upon them every single day. They are tired of being told that they should have more empathy, that it could easily be you too you know!, that these people are their neighbors, daughters, sons. That they should shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars for people who might actually throw shit at them given the chance. I'm glad this thread was created because I've found this all very fascinating.

 

[DrakosBiz]

Bro just go buy a house.

 

[Baseton Repillé]

Sometimes I get the feeling that the ruling class enjoys terrorizing the general population with these meth/fent zombie people. It's just another way to keep everyone subjugated and looking over their shoulder, never feeling truly safe. Newsom proved in California that they could just make the problem go away overnight if they felt like it. But they don't.

This one guy I follow wrote an effortpost about how the care of fucked-up bums is basically a jobs program for case managers, police, lawyers, and other bureaucratic cogs as well as a cash cow for nonprofits. Here's a salient quote:

In our present arrangement, manufacturing efficiencies by way of globalist arbitrage and automation have mitigated the need for a large and somewhat educated working class and demand instead a dull mass of consumers with disposable income, cultivated to embrace vice, addictions, and fads without considered thought. At the lowest level these people cease to be self-sustaining or even functional and thus come under the direct custodianship of the state.

So to your point, this kind of social dysfunction serves two purposes:

• It keeps these now-superfluous people occupied (a drug addiction will keep anyone plenty busy), and causes them to die rapidly, and
• It motivates everyone else to work harder than they would otherwise have to. The defining characteristic of middle-class life is that you earn enough to avoid the dysfunction of the lower socioeconomic strata.

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

This one guy I follow wrote an effortpost about how the care of fucked-up bums is basically a jobs program for case managers, police, lawyers, and other bureaucratic cogs as well as a cash cow for nonprofits. Here's a salient quote:

So to your point, this kind of social dysfunction serves two purposes:

• It keeps these now-superfluous people occupied (a drug addiction will keep anyone plenty busy), and causes them to die rapidly, and
• It motivates everyone else to work harder than they would otherwise have to. The defining characteristic of middle-class life is that you earn enough to avoid the dysfunction of the lower socioeconomic strata.

Very thoughtful take on this. Thanks for the reply, I'll be reading that effort post.