Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

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Who wins on November 3rd? (Zeitgeist, not who you're voting for)

  • Expecting a Trump win.

    Votes: 978 45.7%

  • Expecting a Biden win.

    Votes: 277 12.9%

  • Expecting no clear winner on November 3rd.

    Votes: 885 41.4%
  • Total voters
    2,140
  • Poll closed .
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Here are some statistics for anyone interested in the numbers that I initially posted to the DP version. Will probably make two tables for tonight. One compared the early votes to 2016 numbers and the rally numbers for Biden and Trump for tonight.

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Graphs showing how some states have changed over time
Primary numbers for Trump and Biden in New Hampshire
Popular vote percentages in primaries for election candidates
Primary numbers for elections dating back to 1976
Livestream numbers for the townhalls Biden and Trump staged at the same time
Electoral college and popular votes in the general.
Comparing Trump, Bernie and Biden with the 2016 and 2020 primaries
Livestreams and numbers for the townhalls
Links to conventions for both parties since 2004.
Playing with the 270towin maps and the primaries
Bernie was a caucus baby
How much of a failure Bernie was in 2020 compared to 2016
Trump's overall increase in numbers from the 2016 to 2020 primaries
Trump primary numbers in 2016 and 2020
 
If orange wins we get another 5000 pages of rioting, more human cattle from the ghetto committing suicide by cop aggressively, and another four years of autistic screeching.
If biden wins I get to watch the Qboomers who flood the internet with their human waste desperately try to cope and say "BIDEN WILL GET LOCKED UP ANY DAY NOW" for four years and the odd communist nu-male thinking they can go shoot up a neighborhood of "ebul whitey" with no consequences and subsequently get swiss'd.

They way I see it, we should all be looking forward to quality entertainment.
 
Bush 2020 said:
then how come early 2010s was more decent than now? Trump was not president back then... Trump ruined everything and brexiteers are homos. Brexit and Trump is whats wrong with todays society. UK needs to rejoin the EU and Trump needs to go to jail.
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The early 2010s were better because SJWs had comparatively less power, but they were out there and working towards their goals from the start of the decade.

Also, the UK needs to rejoin the EU? You're a fucking faggot.

I'd abeeb bear said:
All the emo girls of the 2000s are now 30 year old cat moms that post emotional instagram pictures about voting for empathy. That's what we've truly lost.
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It breaks my heart, I wish I could go back so fucking badly.

Trying Too Hard said:
At least Hillary had the novelty of being the first female president as a possible reason for people to back her, despite the fact that she was a creepy haggard witch. Biden's got nothing; not an ounce of character in him that could lift anyone's spirits. Any public event the Democrats hold is akin to a high-school assembly. Contrast that with Trump's rallies where everyone seems in high spirits and cheer him on after every word and it's not hard to see why he won last year and why he's likely to win this year as well.
Fuck policy, fuck promises, these elections are a contest of character and it baffles me as to why the Dems keep running with these soulless husks to be the face of their party.
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It's a reversal of 2012's election where Romney was just so fucking boring, I wish Obama had never been President at all, especially for his second term, but I can't exactly blame people for not wanting to vote for Romney back then.
 
Trying Too Hard said:
At least Hillary had the novelty of being the first female president as a possible reason for people to back her, despite the fact that she was a creepy haggard witch. Biden's got nothing; not an ounce of character in him that could lift anyone's spirits. Any public event the Democrats hold is akin to a high-school assembly. Contrast that with Trump's rallies where everyone seems in high spirits and cheer him on after every word and it's not hard to see why he won last year and why he's likely to win this year as well.
Fuck policy, fuck promises, these elections are a contest of character and it baffles me as to why the Dems keep running with these soulless husks to be the face of their party.
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Because Biden's the safe candidate compared to The Five or Kamala Harris or any of the other crazies in the Left wing.
 
Can you believe the audacity of black men voting for that fucking racist Orange piece of shit? Fucking coons, we should put them back on the cotton picking fields if they are just going to support white supremacy like that. They can sing and praise massah' Trump all day then.
 
Bush 2020 said:
then how come early 2010s was more decent than now? Trump was not president back then... Trump ruined everything and brexiteers are homos. Brexit and Trump is whats wrong with todays society. UK needs to rejoin the EU and Trump needs to go to jail.
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Except they haven't??? We have literally been caught up in a middle eastern shitstorm for nearly 20 years until Trump pulled us out. (Even more if you count Desert Storm)
 
Dom Cruise said:
SJWs have made the 2010s and the 2020s so far suck ass.
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People draw parallels to how the Christian right acted in the mid-20th century, but it's really not equivalent. The religious right was better to live under. They wouldn't bash you over the head or get you fired & try to make you unemployable for the rest of your live over a civil disagreement. There's no breathing room for dissidence and original thinking anymore, so we're not really seeing much rebellion.

Which is why people get excited about even the dimmest right-aligned characters like that Catboy Kami guy, just for having the balls to act out in some way.
 
A Humble Ewok said:
Can you believe the audacity of black men voting for that fucking racist Orange piece of shit? Fucking coons, we should put them back on the cotton picking fields if they are just going to support white supremacy like that. They can sing and praise massah' Trump all day then.
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It's my current favorite form of mental gymnastics since it's making a lot of lefty whites admit that blacks have lower IQ and they wanna take care of them and also lead them as kings of the black people.
 
String Boy said:
Because Biden's the safe candidate compared to The Five or Kamala Harris or any of the other crazies in the Left wing.
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I mean, sure, but... Biden? Seriously? That's their best pick? The old cunt could suck the soul out of a kid's birthday party, he'd be sure to suck the spirit out of an entire country. Is the left seriously void of any actual people and not boring seniors that all share the same beliefs?
 
I'd abeeb bear said:
It's my current favorite form of mental gymnastics since it's making a lot of lefty whites admit that blacks have lower IQ and they wanna take care of them and also lead them as kings of the black people.
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Old school progressives were eugenicists that believed they were inferior on a scientific level. Problem is that the average joe got tired of their shit and they decided to appeal to the same group of people that they still as inferior beings. And the black vote has blocked their progressive policies in the primaries as Bernie found out twice in the south for 2016 and 2020.

When Mississippi voted like over 90 percent for Joe Biden, Bernie's black voter outreach was a complete failure and killer mike was a meme.

Edit: I look forward to this happening. This will perfectly suit 2020. The sun belt for one last ride sends GEOTUS to the promised land of 4 more years.

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I know this topic was mentioned a few pages back, but wanted to make some observations (as someone who doesn't currently live there).

Even with PA having voted blue in the past, I think there have been a bunch of issues lately that will cause people to vote against the Democratic Party. While people might not like Trump, other issues might push them into his corner. In a nutshell, the lack of condemnation by the Democratic Party for the rioting, looting, social media censorship, anti-cop sentiment, pro-communism push, bizarre racial theories on the left will push many PA voters to vote red.

People in PA won't appreciate the riots in Philadelphia, let alone Lancaster County (which is like sacrilege, as that's "Amish Country"), and bad press is bad for tourism. High-income areas in the Philly suburbs don't want looting in their back yards. Small cities that have been falling apart since the US steel industry disappeared don't want more destruction and chaos.

PA won't appreciate the whole "abolish the police!" mantra from the extreme left. The whole "ACAB" thing is probably a slap in the face for those who have ties to the police, of whom historically supported the Democrats and vice versa.

PA has many self-identified Catholics, so they won't appreciate the attacks on the recent Supreme Court pick, the footage of churches being vandalized, Virgin Mary statues being decapitated, etc. Even the reluctant/lapsed Catholics would find this revolting. There isn't as much anti-Catholic angst as there used to be, so the fundamentalists will sympathize with them. Catholics, fundamentalist Protestants and Russian Orthodox will likely vote pro-life if they think there's a chance for a Roe V Wade overturn.

Many people in Northeastern PA commute to NJ and NY, and in the Southeast some commute to DC, they are probably pissed off at rioting naked freaks keying their cars and blocking roadways while they try to commute into the city.
There are also a ton of retiree "transplants" with fat pensions from NY/NJ who hated the politics/taxation in their former states, and THOSE people are often diehard Republicans who love Trump.

PA also has a sizable population of people who immigrated from the former Eastern Block (like Melania). They would find the whole social media censorship/news censorship and communism/socialism as sinister and frightening. Many of these people have relatives in and around NYC, Philly. Many of these same people have small businesses, just like the small businesses that are being smashed to bits in Brooklyn (which are also often owned and operated by immigrants), and they have no sympathy for unemployed looters who wave soviet flags.

Hispanic people in PA aren't a monolith as pollsters seem to think, and many of them seem to overlap with the people I mentioned earlier. Many of them have a strong dislike of illegal immigrants "they commit crime/join gangs and make us all look bad!", many of the newer citizens from Central/South America come to PA via conservative church-sponsored sponsorship, others come from families that have been in PA for 100+ years, particularly among the large population of Puerto Ricans. Many of them won't relish the idea of being lumped in one group labelled "POC".

The whole BLM/CRT thing will probably leave a great deal of people in PA with a bad taste in their mouths. There are already a lot of multi-racial families in small cities and suburbs of PA. To encourage hating "oppressive cis het white boomer Karen" is to "hate grandma". Intersectionality becomes schizophrenic when your ancestry covers four continents.

Your average low-wage PA person is probably "over" the COVID restrictions, and just wants to get back to work. Welfare programs are stringent. PA employment law in terms of sick leave and closures aren't as generous to employees as those of other NE states, so there's nothing for the working poor to fall back on if they lose everything and are out of work. I imagine they won't want the restrictions to last forever.

I could be totally wrong about all of this, but that's just what my gut tells me.
 
FrankyKismyFP said:
I know this topic was mentioned a few pages back, but wanted to make some observations (as someone who doesn't currently live there).

Even with PA having voted blue in the past, I think there have been a bunch of issues lately that will cause people to vote against the Democratic Party. While people might not like Trump, other issues might push them into his corner. In a nutshell, the lack of condemnation by the Democratic Party for the rioting, looting, social media censorship, anti-cop sentiment, pro-communism push, bizarre racial theories on the left will push many PA voters to vote red.

People in PA won't appreciate the riots in Philadelphia, let alone Lancaster County (which is like sacrilege, as that's "Amish Country"), and bad press is bad for tourism. High-income areas in the Philly suburbs don't want looting in their back yards. Small cities that have been falling apart since the US steel industry disappeared don't want more destruction and chaos.

PA won't appreciate the whole "abolish the police!" mantra from the extreme left. The whole "ACAB" thing is probably a slap in the face for those who have ties to the police, of whom historically supported the Democrats and vice versa.

PA has many self-identified Catholics, so they won't appreciate the attacks on the recent Supreme Court pick, the footage of churches being vandalized, Virgin Mary statues being decapitated, etc. Even the reluctant/lapsed Catholics would find this revolting. There isn't as much anti-Catholic angst as there used to be, so the fundamentalists will sympathize with them. Catholics, fundamentalist Protestants and Russian Orthodox will likely vote pro-life if they think there's a chance for a Roe V Wade overturn.

Many people in Northeastern PA commute to NJ and NY, and in the Southeast some commute to DC, they are probably pissed off at rioting naked freaks keying their cars and blocking roadways while they try to commute into the city.
There are also a ton of retiree "transplants" with fat pensions from NY/NJ who hated the politics/taxation in their former states, and THOSE people are often diehard Republicans who love Trump.

PA also has a sizable population of people who immigrated from the former Eastern Block (like Melania). They would find the whole social media censorship/news censorship and communism/socialism as sinister and frightening. Many of these people have relatives in and around NYC, Philly. Many of these same people have small businesses, just like the small businesses that are being smashed to bits in Brooklyn (which are also often owned and operated by immigrants), and they have no sympathy for unemployed looters who wave soviet flags.

Hispanic people in PA aren't a monolith as pollsters seem to think, and many of them seem to overlap with the people I mentioned earlier. Many of them have a strong dislike of illegal immigrants "they commit crime/join gangs and make us all look bad!", many of the newer citizens from Central/South America come to PA via conservative church-sponsored sponsorship, others come from families that have been in PA for 100+ years, particularly among the large population of Puerto Ricans. Many of them won't relish the idea of being lumped in one group labelled "POC".

The whole BLM/CRT thing will probably leave a great deal of people in PA with a bad taste in their mouths. There are already a lot of multi-racial families in small cities and suburbs of PA. To encourage hating "oppressive cis het white boomer Karen" is to "hate grandma". Intersectionality becomes schizophrenic when your ancestry covers four continents.

Your average low-wage PA person is probably "over" the COVID restrictions, and just wants to get back to work. Welfare programs are stringent. PA employment law in terms of sick leave and closures aren't as generous to employees as those of other NE states, so there's nothing for the working poor to fall back on if they lose everything and are out of work. I imagine they won't want the restrictions to last forever.

I could be totally wrong about all of this, but that's just what my gut tells me.
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Probably pretty spot on from what I know of PA. I lived in Ohio for a sizable portion of my life, and as I've said before in this thread, the people I know that were always staunch democrat to the point of listening to Current Year Man and horking along in 2016 have flipped their tune. PA always seemed pretty similar to Ohio for the most part, so I expect it's the same there. What we'll really see with this election, in my opinion, is if people are tired of their lives and wellbeings being dictated to them by politicians that couldn't care less about them, and movements like BLM and antifa that hate them and want them dead. I don't know who in their right mind could vote democratic this year with it being so recent, so I'm truly hoping for the seeming sanity of the nation it's a red landslide.
 
There's a nihilistic side of me that hopes we are the verge of a full on civil war, the world sucks, I'm bored, SJWs have systematically stripped out or are trying to strip out literally everything that is cool from society, we don't seem to be heading towards anything cool or good, so why not burn it all the fuck down? It'd be a lot more entertaining.
 
I'm cautiously optimistic for Trump, but I've also never seen such a sustained and coordinated attempt from nearly every pillar of power in our society to personally and professionally destroy someone with opinion presented as fact for 4 solid years. I didn't see it during Bush to near the level I've seen of late, and I definitely didn't see it under Obama.

I just don't know how gauge how effective the demoralization machine has been, especially with regards to the political football known as covid.

It was the only possible joker the Dems could play to get a real chance of beating Trump, and when it fell in their laps boy did they ever run with it.
 
gettingthatgrooveback said:
Having said that, If I was living in the US, I would vote for Biden. The mainstream media are the biggest instigators, so giving them what they want will surely calm the tensions the whole country is facing.
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Americans are the descendants of people who saw taxes blast through the roof and said "oh, fuck this" and sailed across the Atlantic ocean on 18th century ships, while Europeans are the decendants of people who just didn't want to cause a fuss.
 
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