Oddity (formerly Mother 4) - Winter 2014

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Coolio55 said:
Good news everyone!
There's been more staff departures and autists looking at the new development screenshots from discord have determined that the game may have had another engine switch. This time to gamemaker!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=41llBu0c2fUhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc
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Some dude also leaked a build to reddit (archive) with programs that the devs were using.
Screenshot 2021-12-30 at 04-27-36 Decompiled Oddity Build On Github.png
He's saying that he's just a fan leaking old stuff but there's a file in here that makes stuff from the last leaks work which previously crashed as shown by a readme in the files that says this:
Replace carbine.dll in your leaks with this one.
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I'm not sure what's going on, but it's a right mess.

Kiwi's giving me an error but I'm trying to upload the leak as an attachment to this post, I'll do it in an edit. In the meantime for anybody who stumbles on this pre-edit: Try to grab this yourself, best to get this into more people's hands since it makes some of the leaks from before not crash.

edit 2: file's too big, I'm gonna have to split it up.
EDIT 3: I've got the main stuff here including the carbine file, the only thing missing from this upload is the included build which I've got no idea how to compress since it includes nearly every music track for the entire game. It's not too different from previous builds from what little I've explored of it, but try to grab it while you can.
 

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Coolio55 said:
The mother series was a perfect trilogy like star wars. It didn't need any sequels.
I actually respect it for having the guts to properly end itself unlike SO MANY franchises.

This game is probably gonna disappoint. In the time it's been in development we got undertale which was the closest thing to a real spiritual succesor. Even it couldn't match Mother 3 though and I have predictions that Deltarune is just gonna double down on the bad parts of the first game even if there is still some likability.
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I don't quite agree, because the Mother games were not exactly exquisite games from a purely surface level perspective.

Mother 1, the gameplay was pretty lacking, a downright stupidly hard game specifically if you try to play it without a guide. Visually it was the NES but still there were far better looking RPGs. I'm not even a big fan of JRPGs in general but Dragon Quest 3 utterly surpasses it in every way except Mother's strongest suit the story and unique setting.

Then there's Earthbound the pinnacle of the franchise. It also kinda suffers from being really tedious without a guide. And visually it is one of the least remarkable SNES games. Still I really can't understate how damn brilliant that insane story is and just how much content it has.

And then finally there's Mother 3, which from what I've seen has somewhat become a divisive sequel because it doesn't even try to be a direct successor to Earthbound in terms of scope. There's also just elements of Mother 3 which I consider game design sins, Leder's Lore Dump at the very end is just so lazy. So much of it should have been told throughout the game or just not at all. And while bringing back Porky was cool & all especially with its utterly dark conclusion I feel Itoi should have kept all of Mother 3 essentially an original story. I find the Earthbound Connection to simply be hamfisted. After Matrix 4 I never want to see a previous movie or video game be literally shown in a theater in a sequel.

But with all that said what made the Mother games is that it was the work of Itoi at the helm as the writer. It is unique among all of Nintendo's games to do such a thing. And while I and many gamers can say what we like or don't like about Itoi's writing the fact is the 3 games are his stories.

So yes in that sense there can be no Mother 4 because Itoi doesn't want a Mother 4. And given his age now being well into retirement most likely he's happy just keeping up his blog and writing his Japanese exclusive essays.

If anything could happen I'd love Nintendo to do remakes for the Mother games. Keep Itoi's writing the same but improve the RPG engine, add some extra graphical shine but don't alter the pacing. Think the Link's Awakening Remake but with an artstyle similar to the promotional art of the originals. I'd love it if Itoi could go back to Mother 3 and maybe make a 2nd edition because I'm adamant the last chapters are so much shorter because of time constraints. Ultimately though that'd be up to Nintendo and Itoi. And Nintendo has so many good series that deserve new entries and that it's unlikely they'll ever want to go back to a cult classic franchise.

Hell it's unlikely they'll ever release Mother 3 in the west because of the Magic Mushroom references along with the whole potential controversy of the Magypsies.
 
Coolio55 said:
The mother series was a perfect trilogy like star wars. It didn't need any sequels.
I actually respect it for having the guts to properly end itself unlike SO MANY franchises.

This game is probably gonna disappoint. In the time it's been in development we got undertale which was the closest thing to a real spiritual succesor. Even it couldn't match Mother 3 though and I have predictions that Deltarune is just gonna double down on the bad parts of the first game even if there is still some likability.
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Even if this game is disappointing, it won’t piss off as many people as Toy Story 4 did.
 
Massively Strong Greed said:
Even if this game is disappointing, it won’t piss off as many people as Toy Story 4 did.
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A chance to sperg out about Toy Story 4? Don't mind if I do.

A while back I hung out with my cousin while he babysat his kid. I was there to just drink a beer with him, discuss the economy, try to explain to him my limited understanding of NFTs and why those priceless Cryptopunks are scams, all that boring adult shit. He put on the first Toy Story to entertain the kid and I ended up enjoying it as much as the toddler.

Toy Story 1 is a perfect children's movie. It's short, the plot is simple, the jokes land. And it has a good message for kids that they should take care of their toys because toys are expensive!

Toy Story 4 on the other hand, it's the equivalent to the Star Wars sequel trilogy. It has by my memory at least 4 different branching plot arcs. It was hard for me to follow the dumb movie so I can only imagine it being difficult for a child to sit thru. It's just a mess.

And I appreciate the messages that both Toy Story 3 and 4 communicate. If you can pass your childhood Toys to another kid so they can enjoy it. If you lose a good toy you shouldn't be depressed over it because at the end of the day it is simply a Toy, let kids imagine that Woody & Bo Peep can live on just fine instead of rotting in a dump.

Eliminate all the needless junk and there is actually a good story within Toy Story 4, it just needed an editor and I guess shrewd businessmen.

Disney is fucking up because they have so much ridiculous money and everything they make eventually makes money. They need someone up top to put their foot down and stop making bloat because the writers hate cutting their work. To somehow put this back to Earthbound I know for certain that Earthbound's ridiculous lengthy story would utterly fail in another medium. Earthbound and Mother 3 works because it's told thru simple sprites.

I'll standby with my feeling that I'd love a shiny remake of Itoi's games. The true monkey's paw would be if they made the same mistake as Square did with the Final Fantasy 7 remake.
 
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Cardenio said:
A chance to sperg out about Toy Story 4? Don't mind if I do.

A while back I hung out with my cousin while he babysat his kid. I was there to just drink a beer with him, discuss the economy, try to explain to him my limited understanding of NFTs and why those priceless Cryptopunks are scams, all that boring adult shit. He put on the first Toy Story to entertain the kid and I ended up enjoying it as much as the toddler.

Toy Story 1 is a perfect children's movie. It's short, the plot is simple, the jokes land. And it has a good message for kids that they should take care of their toys because toys are expensive!

Toy Story 4 on the other hand, it's the equivalent to the Star Wars sequel trilogy. It has by my memory at least 4 different branching plot arcs. It was hard for me to follow the dumb movie so I can only imagine it being difficult for a child to sit thru. It's just a mess.

And I appreciate the messages that both Toy Story 3 and 4 communicate. If you can pass your childhood Toys to another kid so they can enjoy it. If you lose a good toy you shouldn't be depressed over it because at the end of the day it is simply a Toy, let kids imagine that Woody & Bo Peep can live on just fine instead of rotting in a dump.

Eliminate all the needless junk and there is actually a good story within Toy Story 4, it just needed an editor and I guess shrewd businessmen.

Disney is fucking up because they have so much ridiculous money and everything they make eventually makes money. They need someone up top to put their foot down and stop making bloat because the writers. To somehow put this back to Earthbound I know for certain that Earthbound's ridiculous lengthy story would utterly fail in another medium. Earthbound and Mother 3 works because it's told thru simple sprites.

I'll standby with my feeling that I'd love a shiny remake of Itoi's games. The true monkey's paw would be if they made the same mistake as Square did with the Final Fantasy 7 remake.
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It’s Woody breaking his promise that was the big problem with 4. As for being confusing, at least it won’t confuse kids as much as Soul (but I adore that one).
 
Massively Strong Greed said:
It’s Woody breaking his promise that was the big problem with 4. As for being confusing, at least it won’t confuse kids as much as Soul (but I adore that one).
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Soul is a movie that I think will only be enjoyed by people 12 and up. You definitely need to have a more grownup mindset and understand what it means to have a passion in life. I also hope the majority of kids would just hate Tina Fey's character and not empathize with dream of not having to deal with the lows of life.

But yeah if I could be equivalent to Jeffrey Katzenberg was to 90s Disney I would have forced them to either make Buzz Lightyear the willing toy who'd be lost or make the staff give Woody a proper reason to want to abandon his leadership. The former would have made a lot more sense because what little girl wants to play with a 1990s Space Man?
 
Gru said:
Some dude also leaked a build to reddit (archive) with programs that the devs were using.
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He's saying that he's just a fan leaking old stuff but there's a file in here that makes stuff from the last leaks work which previously crashed as shown by a readme in the files that says this:

I'm not sure what's going on, but it's a right mess.

Kiwi's giving me an error but I'm trying to upload the leak as an attachment to this post, I'll do it in an edit. In the meantime for anybody who stumbles on this pre-edit: Try to grab this yourself, best to get this into more people's hands since it makes some of the leaks from before not crash.

edit 2: file's too big, I'm gonna have to split it up.
EDIT 3: I've got the main stuff here including the carbine file, the only thing missing from this upload is the included build which I've got no idea how to compress since it includes nearly every music track for the entire game. It's not too different from previous builds from what little I've explored of it, but try to grab it while you can.
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The github was updated with leaked developer documents.

What a trainwreck.
 

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In the span of time this game's been scrapped and rebuilt 5 or 6 times we've gotten like 5 or 6 games accurately capturing the various facets of earthbounds appeal made by people who clearly were fans of the series and wanted to make thier own game in that sort of style, while also simultaneously being their own things entirely.

I still need to get and play through citizens of earth someday, watched a friend play through part of it a few years back it was a pretty funny rpg. I've heard barely fucking anyone talk about that one since it's release though compared to stuff like Undertale and Lisa.

Found some gameplay of that game, by the way.
What the fuck? they added voice acting and some other shit like a space age thing to that game. Either that or I somehow forgot about there being voice acting. I'm guessing it was PARTIALLY some update thing nobody told me about because there's voice acting in the playthroughs from a few years back I'm finding title of the game is apparently "citizens unite" now in more recent ones. Legal issues like what happened with spooky's, I guess?

EDIT: the guy playing the thing in the playthrough I linked takes a while to do anything, there's not really a good chunk of content in the video. it does showcase what the game pretty much looks like though. It's got the gimmick of being able to recruit almost any npc to your party.
 
Both Citizens games are really tedious and IMO aren't worth the time. Earth feels like a Pokémon without the catch mechanic or TM/HMs and Space is much more comparable to the later Mario and Luigi games than EB, especially with the insistence on tying every powerful attack to an extremely long (literally 60 seconds in some cases) minigame.

Citizens Unite is basically a double pack with an extra glue area between the two where your progress in one game can give you bonuses in the other.

I'd suggest just watching a speedrun if you want to see the good they have to offer.
 
ducktales4gameboy said:
Both Citizens games are really tedious and IMO aren't worth the time. Earth feels like a Pokémon without the catch mechanic or TM/HMs and Space is much more comparable to the later Mario and Luigi games than EB, especially with the insistence on tying every powerful attack to an extremely long (literally 60 seconds in some cases) minigame.

Citizens Unite is basically a double pack with an extra glue area between the two where your progress in one game can give you bonuses in the other.

I'd suggest just watching a speedrun if you want to see the good they have to offer.
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I more or less watched a friend play through it when it came out a few years ago. At some point IIRC he forgot to stream it to me and finished the game lmao.
 
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