Nurse practitioner delusion / "Noctors" / "Midlevel staff" - Nurses get a 1 year degree and start thinking they are better than doctors

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To be clear, there are plenty of doctors. The issue is you can't practice at all in the U.S. without at least some residency training. Most states require 2 years to even get a license. However, with competition from overseas the number of applicants to residency programs is increasing every year without an increase in slots. So there are many many people who graduate and can't do anythign with the degree, they just end up floundering for a year doing something else and reapplying to residency or eventually giving up. People are so desperate to get into any program at all they are even willing to work for free these days.

The fucking AMA is useless, instead of fighting to allow unmatched MD's to practice in some capacity they publish all of these BS statements about how they're fighting midlevel 'creep' while doing fuck all. It's infuriating.
 
To be clear, there are plenty of doctors. The issue is you can't practice at all in the U.S. without at least some residency training. Most states require 2 years to even get a license. However, with competition from overseas the number of applicants to residency programs is increasing every year without an increase in slots. So there are many many people who graduate and can't do anythign with the degree, they just end up floundering for a year doing something else and reapplying to residency or eventually giving up. People are so desperate to get into any program at all they are even willing to work for free these days.

The fucking AMA is useless, instead of fighting to allow unmatched MD's to practice in some capacity they publish all of these BS statements about how they're fighting midlevel 'creep' while doing fuck all. It's infuriating.
especially with colleges secretly applying affirmative action to those they let into med school. Niggers of all dark skinned minorities getting in despite awful MCAT scores compared to their white counterparts, and then still failing miserably lol
 
I got an email from an np (I had requested no np after one ignored the red flag for meds I am allergic to) which could have been avoided if the np let me know my doctor was out and options we could do, or she didn't give me asspats to a question and looked at mychart.

Working with them is bad, and as a patient it is frustrating. The corner cutting is obvious.
 
My sister has clear signs of chronic bronchitis (over three months of congestion in the lungs, green phlegm coughing up) following an initial bronchitis that was given acute antibiotics (I'm guessing it's actually viral since she still has it based on her symptoms). The NP said it could be allergies and gave her allergy meds. ALLERGY MEDS. NIGGA. In what world is long-term green phlegm ALLERGY? That is clearly fucking infection.

How can one bitch be so fucking retarded? Sister's not sneezing, no runny eyes, no hives. Green mucus and congestion and painful throat following treatment of acute bronchitis. "Just allergies" bitch if I see this NP I'm decking her.
 
Oof. That is a rough combo to just try and throw allergy meds at.

My NP told me that the procedure and possible side effect for a condition, at the condition-ologist. Was not any of those things. Which was how I know she didn't even bother looking looking at my chart.
 
The fucking AMA is useless, instead of fighting to allow unmatched MD's to practice in some capacity they publish all of these BS statements about how they're fighting midlevel 'creep' while doing fuck all. It's infuriating.
Well Tennessee has a program that lets unmatched MDs practice with supervision like a PA or NP. Welcome to the exciting race to the bottom.

If you can't even SOAP into EM in its current state then I'm really suspicious about your competency.
 
To be clear, there are plenty of doctors. The issue is you can't practice at all in the U.S. without at least some residency training. Most states require 2 years to even get a license. However, with competition from overseas the number of applicants to residency programs is increasing every year without an increase in slots. So there are many many people who graduate and can't do anythign with the degree, they just end up floundering for a year doing something else and reapplying to residency or eventually giving up. People are so desperate to get into any program at all they are even willing to work for free these days.

The fucking AMA is useless, instead of fighting to allow unmatched MD's to practice in some capacity they publish all of these BS statements about how they're fighting midlevel 'creep' while doing fuck all. It's infuriating.
What about physician assistants?





Fuck, I wouldn’t feel a bit bad about it. I have been known to make a comment like “I guess your practice would run a lot more smoothly without the pesky patients” when practitioners or their staff cop an attitude about me asking for basic shit that I’m paying for.

Now, whenever my elderly parents report back to me about their doctor’s appointments, they invariably end up being NP/PA appointments with alarming outcomes. I’d go with them to every single appointment if they’d let me.
This time, my mother finally got an appointment with a gastroenterologist for chronic (near-daily for over a year) constipation. All the NP did was order blood work and then prescribe antibiotics for her low white blood cell count — no exploration of why her WBCs might be down in the first place, just a script for antibiotics for an older woman whose gut is already a mess. And healthcare practitioners wonder why people trust Dr. Google more at this point.
Here's a fun one. I developed a bizarre rash on my leg. It looked like poison Ivy because I have gotten it a few times. So I go to an urgent clinic. This woman gives me

Prednisone​




why I have no idea. She also gave me cream (which I Had gotten before). The Prednisone btw was for 10 mg twice a day for 4 days. No tapering off, nothing! Furthermore, she thought it was shingles. I am nowhere near the age where shingles appear.

I went to my primary and you guessed it: It was poison ivy and the only thing I was given was that topical cream.....
 
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I am nowhere near the age where shingles appear.
You can get shingles at any age so long as you have had chickenpox. It's just rarer in younger pts.

Anyone in the healthcare industry who is not an MD is more likely to be retarded and should not be seen unless it's for an existing recurrent likely lifelong medication prescription refill. You're paying the same copay regardless of whether you're visiting an MD or an NP so why waste your time with the NP?
 
You can get shingles at any age so long as you have had chickenpox. It's just rarer in younger p
I have never had chicken pox, just the vaccine for it



Anyone in the healthcare industry who is not an MD is more likely to be retarded and should not be seen unless it's for an existing recurrent likely lifelong medication prescription refill. You're paying the same copay regardless of whether you're visiting an MD or an NP so why waste your time with the NP?
My MD was closed for a personal vacation. And I went to an urgent clinic to see SOMEONE. I didn't know at the time.

Why do they give non MDs so much power?
 
Well Tennessee has a program that lets unmatched MDs practice with supervision like a PA or NP. Welcome to the exciting race to the bottom.

If you can't even SOAP into EM in its current state then I'm really suspicious about your competency.
Actually EM is becoming one of rhe most competitive specialities to match into so they have the pick of rhe litter. If you're not aware of that I wonder if you're one of the noctors we mean here
 
Here's a fun one. I developed a bizarre rash on my leg. It looked like poison Ivy because I have gotten it a few times. So I go to an urgent clinic. This woman gives me

Prednisone​

I know of a person who presented at a derm office with pernio (chilblains) and got rx Prednisone by an NP. Absolute retards.
 
To be clear, there are plenty of doctors. The issue is you can't practice at all in the U.S. without at least some residency training. Most states require 2 years to even get a license. However, with competition from overseas the number of applicants to residency programs is increasing every year without an increase in slots. So there are many many people who graduate and can't do anythign with the degree, they just end up floundering for a year doing something else and reapplying to residency or eventually giving up. People are so desperate to get into any program at all they are even willing to work for free these days.

The fucking AMA is useless, instead of fighting to allow unmatched MD's to practice in some capacity they publish all of these BS statements about how they're fighting midlevel 'creep' while doing fuck all. It's infuriating.
I have an uncle who's a doctor. When I was a little kid he would criticize/mock my dad for being in a union trade and the whole 'call the hall' thing. About ten years ago my uncle was like...yeah we probably need some kind of union at this point.

The medical industry is totally out of hand in the US. It's driven almost exclusively by finance types and that's terrible for patients. It's also at all levels of medical care as far as I can tell. Assisted living homes, hospitals, urgent care: good luck because whatever your age and wherever you are, even if the provider means well they may not have the time or the tools to do the job properly. I know someone who worked at an assisted living home in 2020 and the operating system on their computers was comically old - Windows XP or something. They also had a bad old phone system and during COVID their administrator kept getting dropped from calls with the Health Dept. The owner would not update anything because he wanted to extract every last cent from the business. They had all these horror stories during lockdown.

I've had two experiences with NPs. One who basically misrepresented themselves as a doctor; they were employed at a location owned by a medical group. A law office called me and asked me if I want to be part of a lawsuit about that. The group that owns the office where that person worked has a track record of hiring people from far away and basically seems to pressure them to misrepresent themselves as doctors. In this case, they hired someone from across the country and that person probably couldn't afford to move back right away or something like that. That's the person who saw me. They seemed kind of dumb so I just didn't take their recommendation; during the consultation I said, "This is the opposite of what the last doctor I saw at NYU Medical Center said can you give me a reason I should take the opposite advice now" and they just hemmed and hawed. But almost everyone who worked there was a new hire from 2000+ miles away, or a travel nurse. So in that case, at least to me, the providers seemed like some combo of desperate and naive and trapped. I almost feel bad for them, but not really because of all the malpractice that seems to have been happening at that location.

At the risk of being flamed, I've also had a good experience with an NP. This person is in private practice, in an office with one other provider, also an NP. I needed an appointment; their clinic could see me quickly and accepted my insurance. Their practice is honest in their advertising that it's a clinic run by NPs. They are transparent about their training and what universities they attended - decent state universities, and when you walk in to the exam room the diplomas are on the wall. They're not hiding anything, basically. I made the appointment because I have a history of anemia; I was feeling tired in that recognizable anemia way. I figured they could order bloodwork and read my iron level as well as anyone else. The NP actually sat with me and explained all the values in the lab work when it was back which was nice. The appointment didn't feel rushed like most do these days.

If you need to see someone, provided it's a sane NP who knows their limits, they're not all bad. But I'd be careful about like, how are they talking about themselves in the way they describe the clinic/practice. If you're pretty sure you have an ear infection and just need some amoxicillin: an NP can be fine. Like chiropractors it seems there's a big range - there's normalish ones who even a doctor will tell you to see for certain back issues, and then there's crazy ones who think they have all the answers but it's mostly woo. NPs seem kind of like that.

The scary thing is thinking about who giant hospital chains or urgent care chains might hire to keep costs down. It won't be the experienced NPs who are smart enough to know their limits and run their own practices competently. It's going to be people who are really green or who fit the Dunning Kruger Effect.
 
That's the key though...knows their limits
It's hard in a setting where you don't necessarily have control over who's seeing you, like a hospital or an urgent care. But I think you should always ask questions of providers especially if they are recommending something that doesn't sound right. Being the pain in the ass patient is better than being the patient who ends up seriously hurt by bad "care."

I like providers who explain why they're diagnosing something or recommending a particular treatment. I saw a great PA once at urgent care after a spider bite who said something like, "I'm giving you this steroid and also get this antihistamine because it will attack the inflammation from 2 pathways. If the swelling spreads go to the ER because it can affect your heart." But if a provider can't tell me why they're doing something, why should I listen to them? Why can't they explain what they're doing? No matter what qualification someone has IMO they should be able to communicate what you have and why they're treating it that way.

In the case where I chose to see an NP, it was someone who was really open & honest about their qualifications. I was looking for an in-network provider, there was no weasel wording on their website. It was in a western state that was historically rural and has used NPs for a long time. These were providers with 10+ years of experience running a practice the community keeps using.
 
Like chiropractors it seems there's a big range - there's normalish ones who even a doctor will tell you to see for certain back issues
Jesus fucking kek you can fuck right off with that. A massage therapist is what you'd see for that. A chiropractor is a quack. If a real doctor sends you to one it's because of the financial conflicts of interest you explained in the rest of your post.
 
Working adjacent to a mixture of nurses, doctors and physical therapists, you can tell the nurses apart by the length of their nails and stench of their perfume. It's such a proof of how detached they are from real life when they walk in 7AM to help a lost soul through life, wearing $1800 of brand clothing next to a patient using hospital clothing going on their 500th wash. Every single one of them has several kids and a mansion all on the man's dime, but in return he gets to "marry a nurse" which is among the most prestigious things a self-made man can do. A sweet angel who made a career out of saving others!... When she ain't busy knitting on the other side of the glass wall.
Jesus fucking kek you can fuck right off with that. A massage therapist is what you'd see for that. A chiropractor is a quack. If a real doctor sends you to one it's because of the financial conflicts of interest you explained in the rest of your post.
Chiropractors crack your knuckles- in your spine, maybe, possibly fixing a one-off issue, but a whole range of physical therapists could instead prevent this one-off issue from appearing twice a week, but it's easier to pay someone to fix your issues than to muster the balls to do it yourself. It's almost lunacy if you think about it. Stretch out every other day for 30 minutes; prolong your life and fix your back. Nah, my insurance pays for 30% of this quack's death-inducing practices on my body! Humans used to do the full range of motions every day and now we can't even be fucked doing it once a week.
 
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