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[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

I'm in complete shock of what the fuck are these bumbling idiots thinking? Why would anyone want to spend hundreds of dollars on worthless clad coins that you can get at face value at your local bank?

Some of the grocery stores around here are short of pennies and have signs about that. I assume rolls of pennies are not at banks or they wouldn't have signs up. Plus there are people raiding banks thinking pennies will be worth a fortune in a few years when nobody cares about the penny.

 

[PandaChai]

After the US ended minting of the penny, there is currently thousands of mouth breathing retards buying 2025 penny roll boxes for HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!
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I'm in complete shock of what the fuck are these bumbling idiots thinking? Why would anyone want to spend hundreds of dollars on worthless clad coins that you can get at face value at your local bank?

"Just because they're listed at that price doesn't mean someone..."
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Some of the grocery stores around here are short of pennies and have signs about that. I assume rolls of pennies are not at banks or they wouldn't have signs up. Plus there are people raiding banks thinking pennies will be worth a fortune in a few years when nobody cares about the penny.

Seriously, the total number of 2025 pennies collectors will want wouldn't fill two rolls.

 

[Agares]

eBay scalper logic never ceases to amuse me. Over 600 million pennies were minted at Denver and Philly this year before they shut down production, so that's hardly rare. There's enough 2025 cents for every American to have a couple from each mint.

The last real "rare" circulating US coins were the nickels minted in 2024 and 2009 with mintages in the tens of millions. I've actually found a few 2009-D nickels in circulation when I was a kid and kept them, but I've yet to find anything from '24.

 

[PandaChai]

I actually have a cartwheel 1d, 2d, and Isle of Man ½d on the way, so can show the size difference when they arrive.

They finally arrived (and I finally scanned them). Had to squash down and cover the lid of the scanner because the 2d is hefty coin.

 

[Agares]

They finally arrived (and I finally scanned them). Had to squash down and cover the lid of the scanner because the 2d is hefty coin.

Carrying around a coinpurse full of those would've been fun I'm sure. Amazing designs though, especially the Isle of Man one.

 

[Waff]

eBay scalper logic never ceases to amuse me. Over 600 million pennies were minted at Denver and Philly this year before they shut down production, so that's hardly rare. There's enough 2025 cents for every American to have a couple from each mint.

The last real "rare" circulating US coins were the nickels minted in 2024 and 2009 with mintages in the tens of millions. I've actually found a few 2009-D nickels in circulation when I was a kid and kept them, but I've yet to find anything from '24.

I collected a couple of these during my job as a cashier. Honestly those coins designs far exceeded the beauty of the badge that came after it in my opinion. with that said I still dont get the point of discontinuing the penny when you can just make it in a different material. we know thats possible cause we did that in the 40s with steel and guess what? it looked cool too.

 

[Agares]

I collected a couple of these during my job as a cashier. Honestly those coins designs far exceeded the beauty of the badge that came after it in my opinion. with that said I still dont get the point of discontinuing the penny when you can just make it in a different material. we know thats possible cause we did that in the 40s with steel and guess what? it looked cool too.

They tried making the cent out of aluminum back in the 70's to save on the cost and examples were even given out to congressmen. But congress did what it usually does and rejected the proposal, and almost all the aluminum cents were returned and destroyed.

Might be worth revisiting but it looks like the end of the penny is a done deal here in the US.

 

[PandaChai]

They tried making the cent out of aluminum back in the 70's to save on the cost and examples were even given out to congressmen. But congress did what it usually does and rejected the proposal, and almost all the aluminum cents were returned and destroyed.
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Might be worth revisiting but it looks like the end of the penny is a done deal here in the US.

Speaking as a Bong (here's a convenient wastepaper basket to put my opinion in for you ), US currency already sort of feels like play money anyway, so I say the aluminium cent is a fair compromise. It might cross wires, but could then have a reverse of the Washington Monument which has an aluminium pyramidion.

 

[Agares]

Speaking as a Bong (here's a convenient wastepaper basket to put my opinion in for you ), US currency already sort of feels like play money anyway, so I say the aluminium cent is a fair compromise. It might cross wires, but could then have a reverse of the Washington Monument which has an aluminium pyramidion.

Our currency feels like play money? I can't even say the same thing about yours. Somehow your country has kept mostly traditional designs and I always found the 1 GBP coin to be interesting. They're small but thicc and people use them, while the US government sucks at making dollar coins a thing.

You do have a point and I think some people might feel like aluminum pennies would feel like monopoly money. Even though it's a better choice than copper plated zinc. That stuff corrodes pretty fast.

 

[Waff]

Our currency feels like play money? I can't even say the same thing about yours. Somehow your country has kept mostly traditional designs and I always found the 1 GBP coin to be interesting. They're small but thicc and people use them, while the US government sucks at making dollar coins a thing.

You do have a point and I think some people might feel like aluminum pennies would feel like monopoly money. Even though it's a better choice than copper plated zinc. That stuff corrodes pretty fast.

Would there be a plating that may prevent potential corrosion?

 

[PandaChai]

Our currency feels like play money? I can't even say the same thing about yours. Somehow your country has kept mostly traditional designs and I always found the 1 GBP coin to be interesting. They're small but thicc and people use them, while the US government sucks at making dollar coins a thing.

You do have a point and I think some people might feel like aluminum pennies would feel like monopoly money. Even though it's a better choice than copper plated zinc. That stuff corrodes pretty fast.

I think it's because 1. some of your coins are lighter than ours (edit: and different metals), and 2. they simply weren't what I was used to (this might be the more relevant one)

US Coins	Weight & Material	Weight & Material	UK Coins
1 cent	2.5g, Cu plated Zn	3.56g, Bronze (later Cu plated Steel)	1 penny
5 cents	5g, Cu-Ni	3.25g*, Cu-Ni (later Ni plated Steel)	5 pence
Dime	2.27g, Cu-Ni clad Cu	6.5g, Cu-Ni (later Ni plated Steel)	10 pence
Quarter Dollar	5.67g, Cu-Ni clad Cu	5g, Cu-Ni	20 pence
Half Dollar	11.34g, Cu-Ni clad Cu	8g*, Cu-Ni	50 pence
Dollar (SBA)	8.1g, Cu-Ni clad Cu	8.75g, Ni plated Brass, in a...	1 pound
Dollar (Saca.)	8.1g, Manganese Brass clad Cu	... Nickel Brass ring	"
2 cents (last minted 1873)	6.22g, Bronze	7.12g†, Bronze (later Cu plated Steel)	2 pence
2½ Dollars (last minted 1929)	4.18g, Gold	12g, see 1 pound	2 pounds

* The 5 pence piece is 3mm smaller in diameter than the Nickel, as is the 50 pence piece to the Half Dollar
† You may have noticed the 2 pence piece is twice the weight of the 1 pence piece, this was actually so "coppers" could be counted by weight, as pre-decimal coinage could be in the past. We actually had a decimal ½ penny too until 1984, which weighed half of a 1 pence piece, which is why the 2 pence piece is so large.

edit2: Perhaps a copper anodised aluminium cent would be worth trying? This company even makes a shade called "Copper Penny"!

 

[someFuckWad]

Are there an increasing amount of chinamen on pmg now?

 

[No. 7 cat]

After the US ended minting of the penny, there is currently thousands of mouth breathing retards buying 2025 penny roll boxes for HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!
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I'm in complete shock of what the fuck are these bumbling idiots thinking? Why would anyone want to spend hundreds of dollars on worthless clad coins that you can get at face value at your local bank?

I guess a dealer on Ebay might sell them to the gullible as rare last edition cents, but for those prices? PT Barnum probably didn't say there was a sucker born every minute, but not at any profit able resale.

think it's because 1. some of your coins are lighter than ours (edit: and different metals), and 2. they simply weren't what I was used to (this might be the more relevant one)

One interesting point is that silver disappeared from UK coins in 1947. I suppose in the bankrupt post WW2 years when trying to form the NHS and Welfare State while keeping the creaking Empire going, something had to give. Cupronickel replaced precious netals mostly. The US still used some silver until 1965 and the Coin Act.

Speaking silver, here's a 1973 Paul VI 500 lira:





Thinking of cupronickel prompts thought of fake or replica coins. The first is a possibly replica 1800 8 Reales of Charles IV (tho IIII was how the Romans expressed 4 as did Mexican coin makers with is piece of . The second is a replica of James II gun money, probably a half crown (2s 6d) with the exact date of minting in this case Nov 30th 1689. James had first fled to France when William landed, but decided to head to Ireland where had had support. James didn't have the resources to mint in gold and silver but used bronze and sometimes pewter. The soldiers could claim repayment in gold and silver plus interest fixed according to the date. That didn't happen, but they were used by William and Mary in Ireland as copper coins were rare for a time.




1974 Cypriot commemorative coin of Abp Makarios.

 

[No. 7 cat]

A base metal 4th century Roman coin. I cannot make out the inscription, but a coin of Maximianus seemed close.

Now there's no doubt on the next which is a Centenionalis of Constantius II.

 

[Makov]

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A base metal 4th century Roman coin. I cannot make out the inscription, but a coin of Maximianus seemed close.

Now there's no doubt on the next which is a Centenionalis of Constantius II.
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Constantius II issued some of the most aesthetically pleasing coins during Late Antiquity. Regardless if they're silver, bronze, or golden, some of the best and coolest reverses and sometimes obverses during Late Antiquity.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Constantius II issued some of the most aesthetically pleasing coins during Late Antiquity. Regardless if they're silver, bronze, or golden, some of the best and coolest reverses and sometimes obverses during Late Antiquity.

His coins do have the same large eyed stern emperor on obverse, but it's well done in the style of the era. This has the usual 'glory of the army' but it has a vigor to it.



Festival of Britain Crown piece. Given the occasion, it is in silver not cupro-nickel.





1957 50 Pesetas



Follis of Maximianus


Not sure what this is. I think it's some sort of Indian gold coin with a high silver content. It was listed as Roman, but isn't.



The Sovereign ring was the epitome of traveller / Argos tack, but this one with a 1918 George V Sovereign is unusual as it's a full Sovereign.


Follis of Justinian


Philip II (son of Philip the Arab) provincial tetradrachm, c. 247-249AD



Also Google Lens is dogshit for coins. Every Roman coin is a Jeton, a token coin to cover the lack of minted coinage in medieval and early modern Europe.

 

[Agares]

It’s been a minute since I last posted here but since someone said Roman coins, here’s a couple that I’ve cleaned up. Removing 2 millennia of dirt and grime takes a long time.

For some reason the reverse is usually more legible than the obverse. I use distilled water, dish soap, olive oil and in extreme cases, lemon juice (carefully) to clean these.

And here’s some other ones I’ve done in the past. No idea which emperors they belong to, or what “SMANRI” means but I like the design on that tiny one. It preserved the best.

 

[Jimmy Hopkins]

They tried making the cent out of aluminum back in the 70's to save on the cost and examples were even given out to congressmen. But congress did what it usually does and rejected the proposal, and almost all the aluminum cents were returned and destroyed.
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Might be worth revisiting but it looks like the end of the penny is a done deal here in the US.

There's two things that stand out to me with aluminum coins such as the ones released during the Third Reich was the fact that they look bad. Possibly due to the weak luster or the fact they get dirty quick. The other complaint is the fact that they're super light. As the Bong mentioned, you dont want your currency to seem like monopoly money, and the light weight of aluminum coins screams monopoly money to me.

 

[Agares]

There's two things that stand out to me with aluminum coins such as the ones released during the Third Reich was the fact that they look bad. Possibly due to the weak luster or the fact they get dirty quick. The other complaint is the fact that they're super light. As the Bong mentioned, you dont want your currency to seem like monopoly money, and the light weight of aluminum coins screams monopoly money to me.

It's funny because the 50 reichspfennig coin was made of aluminum even before the war started (1935). Aluminum coins definitely feel like monopoly money and some countries are more used to it that others, the US not being one of them.

 

[monk]

Are there any nondestructive ways to test for fake silver? Other than calculating the density, which still won't catch silver plated fake coins, or XRF, which I think can only test the composition of the outside layer?
With inflation being as high as it is, has anyone made calculations on when the base metal value of current denominations of coins will be worth more than their monetary value?