Opinion "Not all men"

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A lot of people, when they hear women — anyone, really, it doesn’t just happen to women, but that’s who I’m focusing on here — talking about their experiences with men who abused/raped them, will immediately respond with “not all men” in some form or another. As if women, talking about the very real abuse and torment they suffered from being abused, assaulted, or raped, do not already know that “not all men” do this sort of thing, and patronizingly just need to be told that it’s “not all men” who do it.

It’s like the ones who say it don’t understand that knowing that it’s “not all men” doesn’t help. It makes it worse. Much worse. Because a lot of the men who do this have learned to present a facade to the world of being “good people”, so women who have something like this happen to them will always, every day of their lives, wonder who will next reveal the truth under their facade.
But there are certain tells women have learned to detect — because, much more often than not, their lives and health depend on it — which help them recognize those for whom it might be a facade. And one of the biggest tells of all is someone saying one of the many variations on “not all men”. If you say this to women you are making it pointedly, abundantly clear to them that you are more concerned about the reputation of men than the well-being of women. Especially if you, yourself, are a man, because then you are effectively telling them that your reputation is more important to you than they are.

So many people get this so terribly, horribly wrong that they make matters far worse than they would otherwise be. Because the way to avoid doing this is surprisingly simple and straightforward. Show, don’t tell.

Don’t tell women that it’s “not all men”. Show them that you are not one of those men who it unquestionably is. The easiest and simplest way to do this is, when faced with something you might feel is critical of “all men”, don’t attempt to challenge it with a “not all men” line because you feel it is not fair to men who don’t do this. Men who don’t do this don’t need you to defend their reputations or anything like that, because they aren’t focused on their reputations and how people think of them to begin with. They just behave like decent human beings — they ask first, take no for an answer, and don’t attempt to cajole or pressure someone who doesn’t want to do something into doing it anyway.

And, if you do feel the impulse to say some variation on “not all men” when you hear women talking about their experiences with men, then you need to ruthlessly squash it and examine the part of yourself which felt the need to offer this non-”defense” to begin with. Because, unpleasant as it is to contemplate, while you yourself may never have committed abuse, violence, or sexual assault against a woman, you probably have done things which contribute to our culture which gives implicit permission to those who do. And if you want to do something about that culture, you have to start with taking a long, hard look at yourself and how you contribute to that culture. Because we all do, to some degree or another, and so it’s how we do that matters, not whether we do.

Do you ask first? Do you accept no for an answer? Do you refrain from putting pressure on someone who’s made their desire clear? Then you’re contributing positively to it. There are other ways to contribute positively too, but those are good starting points if you aren’t already doing them.
 
How much money do you think it would take to pay a pack of roving sand niggers to film themselves gangraping this creature until its asshole looks like someone drove through the front of a TJ Maxx?

(I'm staying gender-neutral because my Google searches for the author's username indicate it might be a 50 year old man with a DeviantArt account)
 
Don’t tell women that it’s “not all men”.
Not all women kill fetuses, newborns, infants and toddlers, but most murdered fetuses, newborns, infants and toddlers are killed by women.

Perhaps before criticizing the vanishingly tiny minority of men who wilfully engage in sexual violence, feminism should be addressing the far larger number of women who slaughter our most vulnerable out of a fear of being inconvenienced or a sense of being irritated?
 
Unsurprisingly, the author is a troon.

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"I live in one of the most “conservative” states in the country as a quietly trans person."
 
anyone, really, it doesn’t just happen to women, but that’s who I’m focusing on here — talking about their experiences with men who abused/raped them,
It's never about an individual rapist, it's "rape culture" and trying every aspect of traditional western culture and religion as co-conspirators in their rape. It's always this "personal is political" bullshit.
 
This made me nostalgic so I'll reply with a nostalgic answer
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This absolute specimen also wrote the think piece What I Learned about Racism from UNDERTALE. It's just as inane as the men one.


For those who never played UNDERTALE, here’s a short synopsis of the game. You, the player, control a human child who fell into the Underground, where monsters have been sealed behind an impenetrable barrier since time immemorial. It turns out that with the power of determination, even a human child is powerful enough to easily kill almost any monster, and so the monsters fear your sudden appearance and frequently attack you. For your part, you can either respond with hostility or mercy; retaliating against the monsters who attack you (thus killing them), or enduring and avoiding their attacks until you can convince them to stop attacking you.
You learn later on that the actual reason the monsters are attacking you is because they need seven human SOULs (represented by different colored hearts, of which they have six) in order to break the barrier and free themselves, as well as the tragedy that led to this point — how humans attacked the monsters out of fear at their ability to manipulate SOULs, in a short-lived war without a single human casualty where monsters were either killed or imprisoned underground behind a barrier put up by humans, as well as the fate of the first human to fall into the Underground and the monster prince who became their adopted sibling.

It’s not obvious — what we consider racism isn’t even mentioned in UNDERTALE, since you only ever see one human, and a child at that — but the game has a lot to say on the subject via allegory. Such as how those who have benefited or are benefiting from racism have the responsibility to do something about it, not just those who have been harmed or are being harmed by it. The monsters have every reason to attack the fallen human you play as, since you are more powerful than them, an invader to boot, and your SOUL is the final key they need to be freed from their dark prison; it is up to you as the player to prove to them that you will not harm them, and that you will find a way to free them instead of killing them or even just escaping.
Just as it is up to white people to ACT against white supremacist racism in this country. White people are the ones who benefit from it, and so white people must ACT against it. Black people been victimized by white supremacist racism in this country since long before it was a country; while they can and do ACT against it, the societal structures put in place by white supremacist racism prevent them from succeeding on their own. It is up to white people to sabotage those structures from the “outside” to allow us all to SAVE ourselves from the shackles holding us prisoner to the whims of the powerful.
 
Don’t tell women that it’s “not all men”. Show them that you are not one of those men who it unquestionably is. The easiest and simplest way to do this is...
...is to tell the woman, "What does all that shit have to do with me?"

In 9 cases out of 10 she would freak out and admit, "It is because the rapist was a man! And I really do mean YES ALL MEN!"
 
If you say this to women you are making it pointedly, abundantly clear to them that you are more concerned about the reputation of men than the well-being of women.
Can't i be concerned about both?
Especially if you, yourself, are a man, because then you are effectively telling them that your reputation is more important to you than they are.
If some cunt wants to see me as a potential rapist by default then yes, my reputation is way more important than she is.
Don’t tell women that it’s “not all men”. Show them that you are not one of those men who it unquestionably is.
Ah yes, guilty until proven innocent.
if you do feel the impulse to say some variation on “not all men” when you hear women talking about their experiences with men, then you need to ruthlessly squash it
Or... and this might be a shocker of a thought... you need to ruthlessly squash your sexism.
And if you want to do something about that culture, you have to start with taking a long, hard look at yourself and how you contribute to that culture.
I don't contribute to it at all so I don't need to do anything.
You however are contributing to men and women drifting further apart and the future being even lonelier and more grim.
Therefore, fuck you... metaphorically, of course because you don't deserve real sex.
 
Don’t tell women that it’s “not all men”. Show them that you are not one of those men who it unquestionably is.
Generally I try to exhibit this by not committing sexual assault. I just thought naturally that because I've never raped anyone, or even tried to rape anyone, that I am not a rapist.
 
"Shut up and take our sexist abuse" - the article

How about no. How about boys and young men need to know this isn't acceptable, and they should hate themselves. How about men in general need to stand up for themselves, and say "No, I've never raped or harmed anyone, nor have the majority of men; and I won't sit here and be quiet." You aren't entitled to lambast the sex that makes everything... wait this is a mentally ill-troon. Please join the 41%.
 
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