💊 Manosphere Norwood Cemetery - Virgin with an acid attack fetish.

[Norwood Crematorium]

Not really related, but why "females" and "men"? Wouldn't it make more sense to say either "women" and "men" or "females" and "males"?

That's just splitting hairs. Come on, now.

Yes, there are problems in Western civilization, but the people at Sluthate and similar sites aren't behaving in a way that will make things better. Heck, I think if someone poured their heart out here, they're more likely to get a positive response than if they did on Sluthate. How many times have you seen people remark on those sites that you should kill yourself ( or "flush yourself" or "go ER" or whatever their latest nonsensical euphemism is) if you aren't some specimen of physical perfection?

Quite, but I've spent enough time on those sites to know how much of the place is just throwaway comment and frustrated hyperbole. Without realising it, many users are parodying the ridiculous ideals held out by 'Looks Theorists'. Not everyone on SH/Lookism wants to 'make things better' as you put it. Some of us have accepted our lot and know it will be a long, lonely masturbatathon to the grave.

Those sites are not for positivity. Rather, the almost complete free speech allows venting or otherwise release of pent-up frustration. I'd never attempt to justify the place and I never will. But I frankly love the complete chaos.

If I put on a pair of red slippers and clicked my heels three times, I'd end up on SlutHate. That's just how life is.

...The more erratic behavior the more mockery can be had, but I feel some of it has gone overboard with trying to get something out of loveshies or incels that aren't on that level.

And with that, I rest my case. That's the exact point I am making. On @melty 's other thread (which I refrained from replying on further because my point was off-topic), too many people replied with thinly-veiled character assassinations and almost no-one (except @melty) gave an actual answer.

Your post put it better than I ever could.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

If I put on a pair of red slippers and clicked my heels three times, I'd end up on SlutHate. That's just how life is.

Whatever floats your boat, Dorothy.

 

[sugoi-chan]

Those sites are not for positivity. Rather, the almost complete free speech allows venting or otherwise release of pent-up frustration. I'd never attempt to justify the place and I never will. But I frankly love the complete chaos.

So do we, though more for the "cataloging exceptional individuals on the internet" angle. Thus the Loveshy Therapy Center was born. Putting angry monkeys in a cage will be funny to watch.

For the record, I never thought you deserved a thread either. Your acid attack comments were worth posting in the main thread because good god are they pathetic and hilarious, but you're not funny in the way that Thonis, Hood, and all the others who have their own thread are. Though comments like:

Some of us have accepted our lot and know it will be a long, lonely masturbatathon to the grave.

are pretty funny (in a sad way) too.

 

[Rin]

That's just splitting hairs. Come on, now.

Not really. After all, woman has fewer letters than female and suggests that you actually think of women as being people. So why don't you use it?

 

[Positron]

But like I clearly said in the post you quoted, I'm not referring to the people you create threads on specifically on this sub-forum. I'm talking about the general notion expressed on this place that if a person cannot secure sex, they are ripe for further abasement.

Not every person who cannot engage in intimacy does the things which you describe. So again, why does the inherent negative attitude to 'loveshys' prevail here?

I'm not sure how you came up with this idea. We never laugh at virginity itself; we laugh at virgins who behave in bizarre and disgusting ways. In the real world (what you people call "bluepill") no one even care about your sexual history -- until your behavior make other people cringe.

And make no mistake, I'm not saying that loveshys should be pitied; just perhaps that not everyone under that moniker is a Thonis, or a Hood Rych, or indeed a NorCem. Besides, a completely deranged shitheel like Thonis is not a great example to generalise any demographic/contingent by. There are, believe it or not, plenty of rational people on sites like SH. You even allowed two of them acceptance, for starters.

Well adjusted, rational people who happens to be virgins don't call themselves "loveshys", for a start.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

Not really. After all, woman has fewer letters than female and suggests that you actually think of women as being people. So why don't you use it?

And besides, calling them females just makes you sound like a douchey tool.

 

[Norwood Crematorium]

... well adjusted, rational people who happens to be virgins don't call themselves "loveshys", for a start.

For record, I've never claimed to be well-adjusted - very much the opposite in fact.

And yes, people who go around calling themselves Loveshy deserve a pasting. I'm talking about the general sense I get on your sub-forum, as an impartial observer with no axe to grind, that your extension of mockery tends to encompass anyone who struggles with intimacy; whether through generalisation or from the insults delivered.

That really is how it appears on this place at times. Hence the evening's conversation.

 

[Aaron]

That's just splitting hairs. Come on, now.


Quite, but I've spent enough time on those sites to know how much of the place is just throwaway comment and frustrated hyperbole. Without realising it, many users are parodying the ridiculous ideals held out by 'Looks Theorists'. Not everyone on SH/Lookism wants to 'make things better' as you put it. Some of us have accepted our lot and know it will be a long, lonely masturbatathon to the grave.

Those sites are not for positivity. Rather, the almost complete free speech allows venting or otherwise release of pent-up frustration. I'd never attempt to justify the place and I never will. But I frankly love the complete chaos.

If I put on a pair of red slippers and clicked my heels three times, I'd end up on SlutHate. That's just how life is.

Honestly, you seem like an alright dude. Full disclosure: I haven't read anything about you except for the OP and your responses since I joined this thread.

In the OP, you seemed to revel in the idea of a woman being the victim of an acid attack. That's obviously shitty, but you are posting on a forum that's about being shitty, in a sometimes-exaggerated way, because your life is shitty. You are welcome to do that. You are entitled to vent. I'm going to choose to believe that deep down in your heart of hearts, you don't actually believe that that random woman who you know nothing about deserved to be scarred with acid. (If you do believe that, fuck you, you DO belong here, and I take this all back.) It just made you feel a bit better to say it, so you did. I get that!

However, by saying that in a public forum, you subject yourself to public criticism, and MOST people aren't going to be as understanding as I am being right now. They're going to think you're being serious, and they're going to make fun of you. I think you get that, too.

Lemme just say this: When you wrote that Incel Summer post... That's art, dude. There's a wittiness to it. You wanted people to see that! You should be happy that you got it out to a larger audience. When I laughed at that post, I wasn't laughing at you, but with you. I can appreciate the way you deal with sadness through black comedy. I'd wager that you and I see eye-to-eye on a great deal of things, and so if it brings you any small modicum of happiness I'd like to let you know that you are not the kind of person I come here to laugh at.

 

[sugoi-chan]

For record, I've never claimed to be well-adjusted - very much the opposite in fact.

And yes, people who go around calling themselves Loveshy deserve a pasting. I'm talking about the general sense I get on your sub-forum, as an impartial observer with no axe to grind, that your extension of mockery tends to encompass anyone who struggles with intimacy; whether through generalisation or from the insults delivered.

That really is how it appears on this place at times. Hence the evening's conversation.

Obviously, nobody here can claim to speak for any of the other users, but I've never gotten that sense. Topics of interest here are those virgins who use it as evidence of conspiracies against men or a reason to be a sociopath. I rarely see anyone mocked for JUST virginity.

Then again, most people here are normal and don't make a big deal out of someone's sexual history.

 

[Emiya Kiwitsugu]

For record, I've never claimed to be well-adjusted - very much the opposite in fact.

And yes, people who go around calling themselves Loveshy deserve a pasting. I'm talking about the general sense I get on your sub-forum, as an impartial observer with no axe to grind, that your extension of mockery tends to encompass anyone who struggles with intimacy; whether through generalisation or from the insults delivered.

That really is how it appears on this place at times. Hence the evening's conversation.

I suppose I could understand someone getting that perception of the Love-shy Therapy Center that way. All of the Farms itself is probably something that can seem highly cruel and unusually spiteful. I know Null himself spoke about that as being one reason to make sure a user doesn't get doxxed--since while a user here may know, for instance, all of the terrible stuff ADF has done, an employer or friend might just see it as harassment of a homeless transwoman. For any given cow, there's probably a way a person without much knowledge about that cow and their activities could see it as being unnecessarily spiteful.

That said, all of the people we discuss here have displayed time and time again their highly misogynistic, as well as misanthropic, nature. Were they just lonely virgins who didn't spend their time decrying women for being sluts and savage animals, we wouldn't care. Of course, there isn't a single one here who hasn't done something like that...Such as, you know, celebrating acid facing attacks.

 

[Rin]

For record, I've never claimed to be well-adjusted - very much the opposite in fact.

And yes, people who go around calling themselves Loveshy deserve a pasting. I'm talking about the general sense I get on your sub-forum, as an impartial observer with no axe to grind, that your extension of mockery tends to encompass anyone who struggles with intimacy; whether through generalisation or from the insults delivered.

That really is how it appears on this place at times. Hence the evening's conversation.

That's no more the case than it is the case that everyone in the ADF subforum hates trans people. It's partly an act deliberately designed to provoke the subject of our attention, who we know is reading this, or people deliberately saying exaggerated things in order to act as bait. And at least this case, it seems to be you specifically ignoring all evidence to the contrary. The guy who asked for advice here got several sensible, helpful responses.

 

[Norwood Crematorium]

That's no more the case than it is the case that everyone in the ADF subforum hates trans people. It's partly an act deliberately designed to provoke the subject of our attention, who we know is reading this, or people deliberately saying exaggerated things in order to act as bait. And at least this case, it seems to be you specifically ignoring all evidence to the contrary. The guy who asked for advice here got several sensible, helpful responses.

And that is gradually becoming understood. However, I don't see how I can be accused of 'ignoring' evidence to the contrary, when three regular users in relatively quick succession have conceded my assertions can appear to be correct to the outside observer.

For example, only from tonight's discourse have I learned that KF has it's own definition of 'LoveShy', as in a mock term for the angriest of angry incels.

 

[HickoryDickory]

And with that, I rest my case. That's the exact point I am making. On @melty 's other thread (which I refrained from replying on further because my point was off-topic), too many people replied with thinly-veiled character assassinations and almost no-one (except @melty) gave an actual answer.

Your post put it better than I ever could.

I can only speak for myself in how I feel about it, but I'm also a marshmallow and have been trained in grief and depression counseling. (And looking to take a refresher)

My empathy tends to get in the way of lols.

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

It isn't more sensible, agreed. But since you and other KF users are often making individuals targets on this sub-forum specifically for making those 'sweeping generalisations', then isn't it a tad hypocritical to make sweeping generalisations yourselves?

A lot of the things people like to do here is exaggeration. If people start taking some posters like cat seriously when some of his content is so clearly bait then that clearly says a lot more about you then it does us. While it does feel like a lot of us like to overgeneralize on the Loveshies and SlutHate and Lookism, you'll notice that most of us tend to calm down and actually treat you reasonably should you show up and notact like a total fucking sperg. I have to stress again that we had a crazy Ameriboo YouTube sperg and a guy who believed he was a maxi pad here, and both of them were treated fairly well when they showed up and treated the thread with civility and even a bit of levity. Your content and the crowd you hang with leaves a very huge first impression. There might be some really chill people on Lookism but forgive me if the entire idea of Lookism doesn't immediately turn some people off.

And yes, the same applies to us. You'll notice that a lot of Kiwis don't go running to defend the site when other lolcows start trashing us. If we're directly antagonized, we'll probably respond with some jabs here or on the site occasionally, but no one is attempting to ardently defend the Kiwi Farms and its noble goal of making fun of people on the Internet. It's pretty fucking autistic, no matter how you slice it. We're aware a lot of us view us as cyberbullies and haters and shit. If they want to reply like spergs to something that can be so easily avoided by ignoring us or closing the browser, then we'll continue laughing at them or even provoke more delusion from them.

As I pointed out during my first foray here, there are many otherwise normal users on SH (even more on PUAhate but we lost many in the site changeover). More people actually than you credit - but rational, even decent users aren't going to appear on the KF radar. By definition, you chaps go for the lolcow; meaning that your own perceptions about people aligning themselves to a certain definition - whether 'incel' or 'loveshy' - will always be inherently coloured.

Well, lemme be rather blunt and honest here... I try not to be a pessimist coming from a bit of a background myself where I was pretty fucked up and pessimistic myself (:powerlevel, so it's my personal belief that the only thing that really holds people back are people's mindsets. I guess this is why I love the Loveshy Therapy Center because, imo, I don't believe in the idea of an "Incel" or of people that are permanently virgins or doomed to be loveless or shit like that. People uglier and less fortunate than you have been laid and lead successful lives before. This post ended up being a lot less preachy than its first draft when I culled it for being autistic, but what I was trying to say is that I believe that people honestly need to be a lot more optimistic and stop writing themselves off based on past experiences. I mean, dude, the average age for most people is, like, 70's and 80's and shit. You're not even halfway done with your life, so imo just calling it quits and being content with being miserable with yourself is pretty autistic imo.

 

[Norwood Crematorium]

Just some clarification for you fellows, since, well, it's a thread about me:

- I'm not defending, or criticising anything. My earlier assertions are just how this place appears to me, that is all. I suspect KF as a whole is much more than the 'Loveshy Therapy Centre'.

- I've never once bemoaned being 'singled out' for a thread; no matter how ill-informed some of the assumptions. I made it clear last week that I frankly absorb online scrutiny/criticism like DeepThroatAfficionado absorbs ingested semen. If someone has a valid point I will listen; as has surely been noted by now.

- I'm not here to justify any of my posts elsewhere or the sites I frequent.

Points worth making I feel, as we are building up quite a rapport.

@Sanae Kochiya - telling me that I am not even halfway through my life is actually the most depressing thing any KFer has said to me this far.

 

[Frank Rizzo]

you'll notice that most of us tend to calm down and actually treat you reasonably should you show up and not act like a total fucking sperg

Exactly.

If you notice, with most (if not all) of the Sluthate/Lookism people we regularly mock, they pretty much fly in here like this:

"HERP DERP, U GUIZE ARE BLUE PILLED, COPING FAGS! WE'RE SO MUCH BETTER THEN U!"

And then they want to act indignant when we mock them.

 

[sugoi-chan]

Just some clarification for you fellows, since it's a thread about me:

- I'm not defending, or criticising anything. My earlier assertions are just how this place appears to me, that is all. I suspect KF as a whole is much more than the 'Loveshy Therapy Centre'.

- I've never once bemoaned being 'singled out' for a thread; no matter how ill-informed some of the assumptions. I made it clear last week that I frankly absorb online scrutiny/criticism like DeepThroatAfficionado absorbs ingested semen.

- I'm not here to justify any of my posts or the sites I frequent.

Points worth making I feel, as we are building up quite a rapport.

Remember that we're a site of users who get jollies out of people getting mad. Bait is common and I'd even go so far as calling it our primary language. We try not to be a hug box, especially for really pathetic concepts like angry virgins.

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

For example, only from tonight's discourse have I learned that KF has it's own definition of 'LoveShy', as in a mock term for the angriest of angry incels.

People who self-identify as loveshy often say amusing things when one purports to confuse and conflate them with the angriest of angry incels. I'd suggest this is less a kiwi-specific definition of "loveshy" than it is simply more bait.

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

@Sanae Kochiya - telling me that I am not even halfway through my life is actually the most depressing thing any KFer has said to me this far.

I'm gonna lay it right onto you. I don't like to be pessimistic and I find people who are extremely pessimistic about their lives rather depressing. You have your whole life ahead of you, dude. If you're being really serious, then don't put yourself down and don't think that the things you want to do are absolutely impossible. I mean, yeah, sure, the world ain't all sunshine and roses and not everything's gonna come true. I'm probably never gonna be the CEO of some insanely successful business and be set for life nor will I run into a red miko from a fantasy world and make hot passionate love to her, but set some fairly lofty but realistic expectations and, you know, just try to live your life and have fun with it. Finding love? Getting laid? I mean, seriously, there's a shit ton of people out there. I'm sure you'll find someone if you look hard enough.

Maybe it's because I indulge waaaaaay too much in those silly little animus where the protagonists are all about never giving up and following your dreams and all of that idealistic crap (something something row row fight the powah), but seriously, if you have a sound head on your shoulders and you aren't willing to partake in some of the more insane elements of the world that we mock, then pick yourself up a bit and smile. Enjoy your life, dude. You're here until you get eaten by a grue and taken down the River Styx, so you might as well make the most of it.

I believe this wholeheartedly and I'm never going to shut up about it - fucking do something to make yourself happy. Don't just give up or make yourself content with a life of misery or self-loathing. I know I'm gonna sound like a goddamn motivational poster that you probably read in 5th grade but you seriously can't say you really failed if you aren't even going to fucking get out there and try, are you? Fucking go out there and make yourself happy and fail as many times as you want if you have to, because I can think of no worse way to face the Grim Reaper than to go having regrets that you never fucking did anything to make yourself happy.

You're a fucking mortal and one day you are going to die. Do something with your limited time, because the people who waste away their lives in self-loathing and wallow in pity? Those are the real fucking lolcows.

 

[Norwood Crematorium]

I'm gonna lay it right onto you. I don't like to be pessimistic and I find people who are extremely pessimistic about their lives rather depressing. You have your whole life ahead of you, dude. If you're being really serious, then don't put yourself down and don't think that the things you want to do are absolutely impossible. I mean, yeah, sure, the world ain't all sunshine and roses and not everything's gonna come true. I'm probably never gonna be the CEO of some insanely successful business and be set for life nor will I run into a red miko from a fantasy world and make hot passionate love to her, but set some fairly lofty but realistic expectations and, you know, just try to live your life and have fun with it. Finding love? Getting laid? I mean, seriously, there's a shit ton of people out there. I'm sure you'll find someone if you look hard enough.

Maybe it's because I indulge waaaaaay too much in those silly little animus where the protagonists are all about never giving up and following your dreams and all of that idealistic crap (something something row row fight the powah), but seriously, if you have a sound head on your shoulders and you aren't willing to partake in some of the more insane elements of the world that we mock, then pick yourself up a bit and smile. Enjoy your life, dude. You're here until you get eaten by a grue and taken down the River Styx, so you might as well make the most of it.

Regrettably, as well-intended as your advice/observation/post is, it is frankly wasted on me.

As expressly stated prior, I don't harbor any notions about 'happiness'; neither do I pine for model-tier members of the opposite sex in some Wolf of Wanker Street basement fantasy. I accept my lot and long since have. Sure, I get occasional bouts of wistfulness (who doesn't?), but I know nothing will change - I lack ambition, and am too apathetic these days to make the effort. And if I make the startling realisation on my death bed that I should have done things different, then I'll deal with that as and when.

I'm not someone who moans about never getting laid again - that petulant ship sailed in my mid-20s. So I think your advice would be better suited to a frustrated, pent-up 'loveshy' who hasn't experienced life, or indeed sex. But the sentiment is appreciated.