🐱 Nonbinary astronomers need better support from their field

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"Look around your communities to see who the most marginalized, most vulnerable members are and make sure their voices are not just included but prioritized in conversations about equity and inclusion — that their needs and ideas are heard and valued."


Gender equality in astronomy doesn't end with the male/female gender binary.


In a study led by nonbinary astrophysicist Kaitlin Rasmussen, researchers took a look at gender equity in astronomy and what practices could address outstanding issues that leave out or have a negative impact on researchers who do not fit into binary male or female gender identities.


This study, released in 2019, was inspired by surveys that were done by astronomers who looked at gender equity in astronomy. They and others in the field, as they point out in this study, noticed that a lot of the papers that have been published about gender equity in astronomy are led by astronomers instead of gender studies experts, Rasmussen told Space.com in a recent interview. "It was all men versus women, and sometimes nonbinary people were not even addressed or would be addressed as a footnote."


While other studies have not sufficiently included nonbinary scientists, Rasmussen said, there have been a number of studies that have, over the years, examined issues in the space sector and developed methods that could be used to improve life for people in these marginalized, minority groups who work within the sector. Previous studieshave also shown that people who are part of gender and sexual minority groups face increased risk of both harassment and assault in the fields of astronomy and planetary science.


"I'm privileged in that I am White and I am masculine presenting," V Wegman, a former NASA intern who completed two internships at NASA's Langley Research Center who went on to work on a third internship at the agency and who has also worked at the Carnegie Science Center in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and was not involved in these studies, told Space.com. However, they shared, when they came out as nonbinary, "I was really intensely discriminated against, I guess you could say, with my fellow students … it was impossible for me to complete labs because they just never let me participate." This discrimination even led Wegman to leave their last internship at NASA.


With this new paper, the researchers aimed to take a closer look at gender disparity specific to nonbinary people with regard to aspects such as "who's getting postdoc positions, who's getting tenured," Rasmussen told Space.com. They hope that, by making changes including who works on these studies, the field can improve to better and more effectively support its nonbinary members.



"The thing with the identity of being nonbinary is that more and more people are realizing that they do not fall into the man category or the woman category," Rasmussen said, adding that the more nonbinary people there are, the more people there will be that are not treated fairly within the field.



Making changes
In the study, researchers made a number of recommendations for ways that the field can change to better support its nonbinary members. These recommended changes include alterations to methodology, especially with regard to both collecting and reporting on gender data.


The study also suggests that gender data should never be shared outside of the context for which it was collected, and that privacy remains a significant consideration with such data. The group also recommends that while institutional reform is "beyond the scope of this paper," they wrote, to actually achieve gender equality, institutions must adopt a "more complex model of gender than has historically been employed by equity initiatives."



Additionally, they note that often, people's gender is presumed based on outward traits such as a name or physiology. But, they stress, making such assumptions is "unavoidably discriminatory."


"For nonbinary people in particular, there is simply no acceptable outcome here: we are either misclassified into a binary gender, or considered uncategorizable and discarded. While this may sound trivial, experiences of misgendering and erasure have very real psychological and professional consequences for nonbinary, transgender and gender non-conforming individuals," the authors wrote in the paper.


"Our final, and perhaps most important recommendation," the authors added, "is to listen. Look around your communities to see who the most marginalized, most vulnerable members are and make sure their voices are not just included but prioritized in conversations about equity and inclusion — that their needs and ideas are heard and valued."
 
"Oh no, people called me a dude/chick because I look like one even though I say I'm not!"

Peak first-world problems.
 
What happens when a nonbinary astronomer looks through their telescope and sees a binary star system?

Asking for a friend.
 
Oh for the love of... just shut up and stare at the stars, people! No one cares about what's in your pants, who you wanna fuck, or how you wanna dress.

Is it too much to ask that people focus on what's important in a job/academic field?
 
who completed two internships at NASA's Langley Research Center who went on to work on a third internship

Wait, what? Has the intern program changed from when i was in school? I thought you work as an intern over the summer and then either get hired or put it on your resume for other places you apply to. None of this 3 time interning stuff.



Anyways, its weird from leftist who worship at the altar of science with such infallible mantras as "the science is settled" and "numbers don't lie" are now saying that the science isn't settled and numbers do lie because a gender (or in this case, nongender) isn't represented while celestial bodies are being observed.

I'm just so tired of an extreme minority dictating everything and everyone being to nice to say anything back.
 
However, they shared, when they came out as nonbinary, "I was really intensely discriminated against, I guess you could say, with my fellow students … it was impossible for me to complete labs because they just never let me participate." This discrimination even led Wegman to leave their last internship at NASA.

What, did they make you sign an NDA? Is that why you can't elucidate on how this works? Were they afraid of catching your enby cooties? How did they not let you participate?
 
is this the intern who was actually booted out for something entirely different? I can’t remember what for but I’m sure I read it on here.
 
"astronomers who looked at gender equity in astronomy."

What? Why? I was under the impression that getting into astronomy was a tough call, one that rewarded the patient and the meticulous with the possibility of watching one of the most fascinating aspects of our daily lives: the skies and their stars.

Every single individual that got there wanted to be there. Why would you impose quotas. Its a work of passion and dedication, and these traits transcends sex or gender.

"It was all men versus women, and sometimes nonbinary people were not even addressed or would be addressed as a footnote." "

What the hell? Am I on LSD? Why would you want to dwell on categories that are either irrelevant or fucking harmful to who you are? Be yourself, gaze upon the stars and steamroll the opposition if there are one.


" increased risk of both harassment and assault in the fields of astronomy and planetary science. "

My usual advice: If it happens, sue and move on. You don't even need to win nowadays. Just sue, make it public, and see the oppressor be devoured by the flames of social media.
It costs too much? Okay. Dox and humiliate the harasser, find a way, strike back, get a gun for self-defense. Do something.

" For nonbinary people in particular, there is simply no acceptable outcome here: we are either misclassified into a binary gender, or considered uncategorizable and discarded "

First of all, your totalitarian mind will one day understand that a person is not only defined by the categories to which they might belong.

Second, these people need to read Invisible Man: To be misclassified or to be discarded is not an resentful outcome, rather it marks the disappareance of false pretenses. You know who has your back and who doesn't. Anger and anguish are meaningless, and you can now try to understand what you truly are and what you really want.
You are free from the yoke of stereotypes, free to chase happiness, yours and the happiness of those that your truly hold dear. That is unacceptable for a narrow mind, but it is the normal condition of the free.
 
is this the intern who was actually booted out for something entirely different? I can’t remember what for but I’m sure I read it on here.

A couple years back a furry-flavored troon of a NASA intern used profanity in a tweet, an engineer replied and reminded them it was unprofessional to do that and they should watch their language.

They told the engineer to "SUCK MY BALLS".

Said engineer was Homer Hickam...... of October Sky fame.... and member of the National Space Council at NASA.....

There went THAT internship

Irony, the swearing was in a tweet CELEBRATING that they got the internship.... also, Hickam soon left the platform, either through shadowbanning or just getting tired of being dogpiled by furries all day long that he'd cost one of "theirs" a job.... nothing of value was lost and the sane world got on with things.

I think said deer-troon keeps popping up in the furry community, as autistic as ever, having learned nothing.
 
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"astronomers who looked at gender equity in astronomy."

What? Why? I was under the impression that getting into astronomy was a tough call, one that rewarded the patient and the meticulous with the possibility of watching one of the most fascinating aspects of our daily lives: the skies and their stars.

Every single individual that got there wanted to be there. Why would you impose quotas. Its a work of passion and dedication, and these traits transcends sex or gender.

"It was all men versus women, and sometimes nonbinary people were not even addressed or would be addressed as a footnote." "

What the hell? Am I on LSD? Why would you want to dwell on categories that are either irrelevant or fucking harmful to who you are? Be yourself, gaze upon the stars and steamroll the opposition if there are one.


" increased risk of both harassment and assault in the fields of astronomy and planetary science. "

My usual advice: If it happens, sue and move on. You don't even need to win nowadays. Just sue, make it public, and see the oppressor be devoured by the flames of social media.
It costs too much? Okay. Dox and humiliate the harasser, find a way, strike back, get a gun for self-defense. Do something.

" For nonbinary people in particular, there is simply no acceptable outcome here: we are either misclassified into a binary gender, or considered uncategorizable and discarded "

First of all, your totalitarian mind will one day understand that a person is not only defined by the categories to which they might belong.

Second, these people need to read Invisible Man: To be misclassified or to be discarded is not an resentful outcome, rather it marks the disappareance of false pretenses. You know who has your back and who doesn't. Anger and anguish are meaningless, and you can now try to understand what you truly are and what you really want.
You are free from the yoke of stereotypes, free to chase happiness, yours and the happiness of those that your truly hold dear. That is unacceptable for a narrow mind, but it is the normal condition of the free.

From what I hear astrophysics is a very competitive job (since there are only so many places that hire them. Google says there are only 10,000 in the world). Insisting that they give you and advantage because of your gender identity is one way to get ahead in the competitive field. Shouting discrimination is how they steamroll the competition. If they make it so the bosses have to hire NBs or face bad press and there are only two NB astrophysicists then both are guaranteed a job.

Random notes and quotes from the paper:

frameworks of gender and an overemphasis on quantification as an indicator of gendered phenomena are harmful to people of marginalized genders, especially those who live at the intersections of multiple axes of marginalization such as race, disability, and socioeconomic status.

Gotta bring in stuff other than gender too.

The paper has almost 70 cosigners, listing their pronouns next to their name. There are a lot of females, and one or two them/theys.

While this is the way most of our author list identifies, we would like to make clear that not everyone whose gender falls under this definition uses the term ‘nonbinary’ to describe themselves, and that language surrounding gender identity is continually evolving and rarely universally agreed upon by those it purports to describe.

The entire nonbinary astronomer population was writing this paper apparently. You could have just all filled out a survey and have been done with it.

3In this context, “pronouns” refers to the set of pronouns that should be used to refer to an individual person, suchas “they/them/theirs” or “she/her/hers”. Seehttps://www.mypronouns.org/for more information.

Imagine linking to mypronouns.org in a published paper.

Two other noteworthy publications released this year concern methods intended to promotegender equity in astronomy. Huppenkothen, McFee and Nor ́en(2019) describe an algorithm,Entrofy, which can be used in cases of cohort selection—i.e., to maximize diversity alongcommittee-defined axes such as race, gender, career stage orseniority, skill set, and geographicorigin when admitting students, awarding grants, choosingconference speakers, and so forth.Oliveira and de Rosa (2019) present an initiative implemented at the Space Telescope ScienceInstitute to improve gender representation on institutional committees, and to track genderrepresentation in activities that the committee organizesor contributes to, such as the selection ofinvited speakers for a conference.

We made a machine to maximize diversity. You get hired by a robot because of your gentiles! Welcome to the future!

We identify three major concerns common to most or all of the analyses presented in the aboveworks: (1) the treatment of gender as observable through means other than self-identification; (2)categorization schemes with limited gender options; and most critically, (3) an over-reliance onquantitative methodology that is at best insufficient for understanding gendered phenomena inastronomy, and at worst epistemically violent towards people whose genders are poorlyrepresented by these schema. Moreover, these studies typically demonstrate little engagementwith the vast bodies of relevant existing work in such disciplines as gender studies and sociology,nor do they prioritize the testimony and participatory inclusion of people of marginalized genders.

Its violence! They said the line! Who needs quantitative data in science? Not astrophysicists I'm sure.

Summary of the first part: Did you just assume their gender REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. You have to ask or its violence.

Several of the works we have described include statements tothe effect of: “While we recognizethat gender is not binary, we do not include nonbinary peoplein our analysis due to lack ofstatistical significance.”10Statistical significance is here the determining factor in who gets to beaccounted for—whocounts. In this way, reducing the work of inclusion to that which is quantifiable and measurable produces simplistic results that fail to describe the deep nuance andcomplexity of gender and the experiences of people navigating it within astronomy.

While they bring up how they arn't social scientists multiple times, they really should have brought up how they arn't statisticians. Or really good physicists. Quantifiable data is violence!

Additionally, such complexities cannot be properly understood without also considering race,dis/ability, and other axes of marginalization

Also your attempts to get more woman astrophysicists ignore getting more black disabled astrophysicists. They have three citations to feminist organizations
 
I fully support nonbinary astronauts and believe they should have the utmost support and opportunity. That's why I propose the first manned mission to the sun, with a crew of entirely nonbinary astronauts. It will be a lot of hard work, but it's worth it to promote this fine cause.
 
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