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Inafune Fanfiction said:
Its hilarious how hypocritical the Anti-DRM crowd are as will gladly lay down their lives for a steam release of just about anything. Every game runs better without something like steam in the background.
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You know Steam games aren't required to have DRM, right? That's the choice of the publisher, and a giant chunk of Steam games are DRM-free.

Conversely, I don't get why so many people are opposed to the idea of Dolphin getting a Steam release. Indifferent I can understand, but there's literally nothing bad about it.
 
Two Dollars said:
Conversely, I don't get why so many people are opposed to the idea of Dolphin getting a Steam release. Indifferent I can understand, but there's literally nothing bad about it.
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It doesn't make any logical sense

Dolphin is not that hard to download/install and set-up, it works like every other emulator that's not named RetroArch.
  • Google Dolphin emulator
  • go to dolphin website which is the first result of google
  • download stable build on whatever OS you use
  • click the .exe to run emulator
  • go find the roms for emulator
  • add roms to emulator in the same folder as emulator or make a separate folder for it
  • Enjoy playing
How much of a lazy nigger does one have to be that everything I just listed is far too complicated to the point where you just HAVE to have it in the same library as Steam or else it's an impossible task? RetroArch ALREADY combines (almost) every system on one emulator, why does one need ANOTHER collection to a collection?
 
Pissmaster said:
Xcom 2 on Switch is like the worst port I’ve ever played. The loading times last a month of sundays and the battle setup screen is a slideshow. It just baaaaaaarely works.
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Apparently, it's possible to actually crash that game simply by drawing out the campaign
 
Celebrate Nite said:
It doesn't make any logical sense

Dolphin is not that hard to download/install and set-up, it works like every other emulator that's not named RetroArch.
  • Google Dolphin emulator
  • go to dolphin website which is the first result of google
  • download stable build on whatever OS you use
  • click the .exe to run emulator
  • go find the roms for emulator
  • add roms to emulator in the same folder as emulator or make a separate folder for it
  • Enjoy playing
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Again, I understand being indifferent toward a Steam release, but why would its existence be bad? If you don't like it, just keep using what you already have. In addition to everything @Pissmaster said, you'd also get native support for Steam's remote play so you can use multiplayer with only one player having the actual game. It's not something I'd use, but some people value that.
Celebrate Nite said:
How much of a lazy nigger does one have to be that everything I just listed is far too complicated to the point where you just HAVE to have it in the same library as Steam or else it's an impossible task? RetroArch ALREADY combines (almost) every system on one emulator, why does one need ANOTHER collection to a collection?
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As much as I like RetroArch, it's not an end-all solution for everything. Dolphin, like most post-Dreamcast systems, is an instance where the RA core runs worse than the standalone emulator, and there are features that are only supported in standalone (for example, official Gamecube controller support).
 
Celebrate Nite said:
Big Thunk Moment
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I guess it's O.K. when a big company does it.
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If the emulator gui is in the texture image itself, they must have loaded it up in VirtualNES and screenshotted it to make the background, they're not actually running the game in an emulator. Who cares? If Nintendo bothered to steal emulators from the internet maybe their N64 emulation would be less bad.
 
Two Dollars said:
Again, I understand being indifferent toward a Steam release, but why would its existence be bad?
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I think from our point of view as regular customers or whatever a point of indifference is largely appropriate. But can Nintendo logically take a stance of indifference? Having an installer on a storefront as large as Steam sends a bit of a different message about Dolphin and emulation as a whole.

A streamlined process with automatic updates is probably not in Nintendo's interest. I'm not the target audience for an emulator and I am largely indifferent to the whole thing.

But am I surprised that the Dolphin people got themselves in some hot water over this? Definitely not. They can play innocent all they want and say "poor me"; but they are the ones that fired a shot across Nintendo's bow by trying to get their emulator onto Steam and the end result isn't exactly surprising.

I think that is where my indifference comes from. On the one hand I think the emulator is neat and on the other hand Nintendo (or anyone) are well within their rights to try to stop the theft of their product.

I mean I think I'm making a pretty big statement by being tacitly okay with emulation to begin with; because let's be very, very clear about it: 90% of the reasons people use emulation amount to them being lazy and not wanting to spend money on something so they choose to steal it. There are very few altruistic reasons behind any of this, despite everyone claiming to be Aladdin. And then every tenth person is a Ross Scott that has a genuine interest in archival and/or preservation of digital art. By and large it is thieves and high school kids that don't have jobs. I can't knock the high schoolers as much, they're just kids so whatever.

So... indifferent and unsurprised and mildly entertained. :popcorn:
 
Dammit Mandrake! said:
I think from our point of view as regular customers or whatever a point of indifference is largely appropriate. But can Nintendo logically take a stance of indifference? Having an installer on a storefront as large as Steam sends a bit of a different message about Dolphin and emulation as a whole.

A streamlined process with automatic updates is probably not in Nintendo's interest. I'm not the target audience for an emulator and I am largely indifferent to the whole thing.

But am I surprised that the Dolphin people got themselves in some hot water over this? Definitely not. They can play innocent all they want and say "poor me"; but they are the ones that fired a shot across Nintendo's bow by trying to get their emulator onto Steam and the end result isn't exactly surprising.

I think that is where my indifference comes from. On the one hand I think the emulator is neat and on the other hand Nintendo (or anyone) are well within their rights to try to stop the theft of their product.
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Okay, I can buy that. Nintendo can play dumb for a standalone program, but putting it on something as big as Steam is forcing them to make a statement saying they're either for or against it, and they're certainly not going to be for it.
Dammit Mandrake! said:
I mean I think I'm making a pretty big statement by being tacitly okay with emulation to begin with; because let's be very, very clear about it: 90% of the reasons people use emulation amount to them being lazy and not wanting to spend money on something so they choose to steal it. There are very few altruistic reasons behind any of this, despite everyone claiming to be Aladdin. And then every tenth person is a Ross Scott that has a genuine interest in archival and/or preservation of digital art. By and large it is thieves and high school kids that don't have jobs. I can't knock the high schoolers as much, they're just kids so whatever.


So... indifferent and unsurprised and mildly entertained. :popcorn:
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To play devil's shill, that's true for modern consoles, but there are plenty of reasons to emulate older ones. 90% of my own Wii library was obtained through backups I made myself - and I have a modded Wii that can play ISOs so not even that matters - but I emulate for both the convenience and heavily improved visuals of playing a 480p console on a modern TV. Even original controllers are compatible, so nothing is lost for 99% of games. Piracy is a big part of it for sure, but there's no denying that not a single old Nintendo/Sega/Sony console would be as popular as it is today without emulation.
 
Pissmaster said:
Xcom 2 on Switch is like the worst port I’ve ever played. The loading times last a month of sundays and the battle setup screen is a slideshow. It just baaaaaaarely works.
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It was done by Virtuos, known for their shitty ports of Outer Worlds (the 'remaster' too), Horizon to the PC, and the surprisingly decent Nier Switch port (an anomaly with them), and are now working with Konami to develop the MGS3 remake.
 
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
There's nothing lazy about emulating 20 year old consoles that are impossible to get in working order otherwise. Not even getting into how the storage media itself, whether that's disks or cartridges, degrades.
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Which consoles are those that are impossible to get in working order? Some of my oldest consoles are pushing 50 years old and they still run just fine. But I'm not a typical user, I get that.

No I still think most of it is theft out of sheer laziness than anything else. Kids can (and should) get a Summer job and earn that yellowed SNES and then teach themselves one of the ways to treat that discoloration and then start learning the basics of soldering so that they can make repairs and keep their systems running longer. There's a lot more to it that they're missing out on.

But getting a Summer job and having a goal is a good start.

Unrelated but the newer consoles (the more complex ones) are the ones that seem to fail more regularly.
 
Dammit Mandrake! said:
Which consoles are those that are impossible to get in working order? Some of my oldest consoles are pushing 50 years old and they still run just fine. But I'm not a typical user, I get that.

No I still think most of it is theft out of sheer laziness than anything else. Kids can (and should) get a Summer job and earn that yellowed SNES and then teach themselves one of the ways to treat that discoloration and then start learning the basics of soldering so that they can make repairs and keep their systems running longer. There's a lot more to it that they're missing out on.

But getting a Summer job and having a goal is a good start.

Unrelated but the newer consoles (the more complex ones) are the ones that seem to fail more regularly.
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>he's never spent a second in a retro gaming store or ebay
it's less an issue of people putting in the work to get the console and more the fact that getting one in the first place is a massive pain in the ass
for the vast, vast majority who didn't buy a console at launch, their only option is overpriced resellers who often value non-broken consoles in the several-hundreds at absolute minimum
obviously it depends on the console, location, and time in which you're buying it (an NES a decade ago probably would've cost way more than it does now thanks to nostalgia driving up prices back then- same goes for Gamecube in reverse order though iirc Gamecube specifically was always a bit more expensive due to its poor sales), but unless you live in an area where you have a retro game store that has decent prices (let alone an area with any stores at all) then you're mostly fucked

you're not wrong- a lot of people definitely don't want to put in the work to buy a console broken and fix it from there- but also, good fucking luck getting working, legitimate parts for a lot of those consoles (especially without an aforementioned store) with a scene like this
or even a legitimate console in general
bootlegging has been rampant ever since the pandemic, prices are insane, everyone and their moms have been afflicted with Base Set Syndrome: if you have an old thing and someone from the internet tells you it's valuable, then clearly it must be worth the highest price on eBay, regardless of condition or quantity!
Not even old tricks like using FB Marketplace or flea markets work anymore because the retro gaming boom got so big that literally everyone has heard of it so now, before doing anything else, everyone goes online and glances at eBay before selling you anything.

Most people don't have enough money to regularly spend hundreds on games/consoles, even more people don't have the time nor energy to repair it- and those who do are usually too young to either have the money or resources to do so. I know that when I tried to get into this shit a few years ago the best I had access to was eBay and three stores an hour or two away, and those all upcharged me for shit as widespread as NSMB Wii because eBay said it's worth $80 in-box- and that situation has yet to change.

tl;dr: you're not wrong, but getting access to old consoles/their parts is so laughably expensive/time-consuming for most that it's not worth the time nor effort that it demands
 
Dammit Mandrake! said:
No I still think most of it is theft out of sheer laziness than anything else. Kids can (and should) get a Summer job and earn that yellowed SNES and then teach themselves one of the ways to treat that discoloration and then start learning the basics of soldering so that they can make repairs and keep their systems running longer. There's a lot more to it that they're missing out on.
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lmfao okay Mike Matei retro gaming has changed a lot in the past 30 years
 
Anonitolia said:
>he's never spent a second in a retro gaming store
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Guilty.

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