Nintendo Fanbase Stupidity General - Rants on the explosive fanbase

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Does Nintendo have a bad fanbase

  • Yes

    Votes: 915 93.2%

  • No

    Votes: 67 6.8%
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Nintendo being experimental with games ether gives us the best gaming has to offer, or Star Fox Zero. GameCube hit the sweet spot where they experimented but got things mostly right. Wind Waker looked weird at first but grew on me.
 
SSj_Ness said:
Nintendo being experimental with games ether gives us the best gaming has to offer, or Star Fox Zero. GameCube hit the sweet spot where they experimented but got things mostly right. Wind Waker looked weird at first but grew on me.
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I'd say Star Fox Zero is a little better if you know that the select button can change the view and most of the motion controls can be disabled, although it doesn't change the fact the majority of that franchise is just the first game again.
 
SSj_Ness said:
Nintendo being experimental with games ether gives us the best gaming has to offer, or Star Fox Zero. GameCube hit the sweet spot where they experimented but got things mostly right. Wind Waker looked weird at first but grew on me.
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Wind Waker was one of those Nintendo games that was hated at first mostly because of the art direction it went into. People were more used to the realistic tones that were from both OOT/Majora's Mask. I didn't hate it back when it was new. I thought it was charming. It is nice to see that people were more accepting towards it when it came to the Wii U.
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
Gameplay wise, PLA and soon to be S/V are taking a more open world approach to the classic formula.
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Honestly, Sword & Shield was just an experiment to see just how large the Switch could render an area, PLA was more of an tech demo for Scarlet & Violet, which looks like it'll be an actual open world game. Only thing that I hate about it is that the box legendary will be given to you as soon as the training wheels come off.
 
NerdShamer said:
Honestly, Sword & Shield was just an experiment to see just how large the Switch could render an area, PLA was more of an tech demo for Scarlet & Violet, which looks like it'll be an actual open world game. Only thing that I hate about it is that the box legendary will be given to you as soon as the training wheels come off.
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I actually like this. The story is a bit more of a question mark now that we now the cover legendaries are your ride.
 
Computer Guardian said:
I'd say Star Fox Zero is a little better if you know that the select button can change the view and most of the motion controls can be disabled, although it doesn't change the fact the majority of that franchise is just the first game again.
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I really hate how star fox has such a hard time moving past the first game. It is starting to feel like uncle nintendo keeps telling the same story, but keeps misremembering parts, or adding new more exciting parts not there before.

Nintendo: And this is when starfox meets his old schoolmate Bill Grey, AND THEY FIGHT THE A GIANT ALIEN MOTHER SHIP LIKE IN THE MOVIE INDEPENDENCE DAY!



I wouldn't mind nintendo making a second Star Fox: Assault.
 
NerdShamer said:
Honestly, Sword & Shield was just an experiment to see just how large the Switch could render an area, PLA was more of an tech demo for Scarlet & Violet, which looks like it'll be an actual open world game. Only thing that I hate about it is that the box legendary will be given to you as soon as the training wheels come off.
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Wasn't it also more of an experiment about how much of the Pokémon roster can be cut, and yet people will still buy the games? IIRC, Sword and Shield sold very well, DLC sales was just gravy on top, as well as the additional Switch sales too. IIRC, there's still ~200 or so Pokémon that can't be used in Sword and Shield, and ~69 Pokémon that can't be used in any Switch main line game.

And it also goes to show that voting with your wallet made no difference in the end, despite people going way too far with the Dexit/BBND campaigns. Also, DistantKingdom comparing Dexit with the Hong Kong protests (despite it being a stupid comparison), actually turned out to be true, as limited rosters will be a thing in Pokémon games from now on, and the HK protests were shut out, and HK became even more authoritarian.
 
Thiletonomics said:
Wasn't it also more of an experiment about how much of the Pokémon roster can be cut, and yet people will still buy the games? IIRC, Sword and Shield sold very well, DLC sales was just gravy on top, as well as the additional Switch sales too. IIRC, there's still ~200 or so Pokémon that can't be used in Sword and Shield, and ~69 Pokémon that can't be used in any Switch main line game.

And it also goes to show that voting with your wallet made no difference in the end, despite people going way too far with the Dexit/BBND campaigns. Also, DistantKingdom comparing Dexit with the Hong Kong protests (despite it being a stupid comparison), actually turned out to be true, as limited rosters will be a thing in Pokémon games from now on, and the HK protests were shut out, and HK became even more authoritarian.
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I'm actually curious how long it will be before companies like Play Asia and EastAsiasoft have to leave HK entirely.
 
Thiletonomics said:
Wasn't it also more of an experiment about how much of the Pokémon roster can be cut, and yet people will still buy the games? IIRC, Sword and Shield sold very well, DLC sales was just gravy on top, as well as the additional Switch sales too. IIRC, there's still ~200 or so Pokémon that can't be used in Sword and Shield, and ~69 Pokémon that can't be used in any Switch main line game.

And it also goes to show that voting with your wallet made no difference in the end, despite people going way too far with the Dexit/BBND campaigns. Also, DistantKingdom comparing Dexit with the Hong Kong protests (despite it being a stupid comparison), actually turned out to be true, as limited rosters will be a thing in Pokémon games from now on, and the HK protests were shut out, and HK became even more authoritarian.
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Limited rosters in the mainline games was going to happen regardless. The roster is getting closer to the 1000 mark with each game and expecting every pokemon to be included in every big entry going forward is becoming less realistic. Game Freak being more competent developers would've just delayed the inevitable imo.

And the HK comparison is still stupid. Internet Outrage and real life Outrage are two different things. Especially with the subjects in question.
 
I'll never accept that the biggest media franchise in the world can't render 1000 mons with shit graphics for a turn-based game in 2022. Rockstar put more development resources and effort into horse balls than they're willing to for Pokemon.

I know there's a lot of excuses, I've heard them all, but imo they can do it but it would just cut into their profit margins and maybe do crunch time to get it done, but even that's a stretch.
 
SSj_Ness said:
I'll never accept that the biggest media franchise in the world can't render 1000 mons with shit graphics for a turn-based game in 2022. Rockstar put more development resources and effort into horse balls than they're willing to for Pokemon.

I know there's a lot of excuses, I've heard them all, but imo they can do it but it would just cut into their profit margins and maybe do crunch time to get it done, but even that's a stretch.
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This is the switch we're talking about. Not a PS or Xbox console. If pokemon were on those systems, there would be no question about them pulling it off.

The switch has it limits and Pokemon is the only game of it's genre to ever have a roster that big. It may sound like an excuse, but it is perfectly plausible.
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
This is the switch we're talking about. Not a PS or Xbox console. If pokemon were on those systems, there would be no question about them pulling it off.

The switch has it limits and Pokemon is the only game of it's genre to ever have a roster that big. It may sound like an excuse, but it is perfectly plausible.
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Could always go back to pixels.
 
NerdShamer said:
Could always go back to pixels.
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That requires effort and passion unless they want to go the Japan Red/Green route of making deformed abominations.

Gen5 was the best spritework to come from GameFreak before they went completely 3D, and I strongly believe anything they do (assuming they do go back to that) will never top that.
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
Limited rosters in the mainline games was going to happen regardless. The roster is getting closer to the 1000 mark with each game and expecting every pokemon to be included in every big entry going forward is becoming less realistic. Game Freak being more competent developers would've just delayed the inevitable imo.

And the HK comparison is still stupid. Internet Outrage and real life Outrage are two different things. Especially with the subjects in question.
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The Gen 7 Pokémon games on the 3DS didn't have any issue with including the entire National Dex roster up to that point, plus Megas from Gen 6 and Z-Moves, even though the National Dex wasn't in the game. So given the increased capabilities (and storage space) on Switch carts, people would have expected that those carts would have enough capacity to include the full roster.

And another thing about the Dexit-HK comparison (even though, again, it's stupid), is that people seemed to have forgotten about Dexit for the most part, I think, just like how the HK freedom movement was forgotten. The whole Dexit eventual acceptance reminds me of The Sims 4, which is another example of a fanbase accepting less features, and watered-down ones too, just because.
 
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Nauseated Courgi said:
This is the switch we're talking about. Not a PS or Xbox console. If pokemon were on those systems, there would be no question about them pulling it off.

The switch has it limits and Pokemon is the only game of it's genre to ever have a roster that big. It may sound like an excuse, but it is perfectly plausible.
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Yeah, exactly, the Switch has limits. That's exactly what plays into their favor. It's practically GameCube graphics they're getting away with, so it's easy to make. They can recycle assets too, so the work they put into it can be used again.

Think about it. There's gen 1 & gen 4 remakes, plus spinoffs like Arceus, and gen 8 already all on the same console. You'd think with gen 9, the 4th set of games (plus,again, spinoffs), they'd at least have enough of the old mons done and could do a full PokeDex now, but no.

If they can't get 1000 mons done across like half a dozen games then they just don't care and aren't trying.

NerdShamer said:
Could always go back to pixels.
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That'd be cool. I wish they would, DQ11's pixel mode was a very cool addition. More long-running JRPGs should do that.
 
SSj_Ness said:
I'll never accept that the biggest media franchise in the world can't render 1000 mons with shit graphics for a turn-based game in 2022. Rockstar put more development resources and effort into horse balls than they're willing to for Pokemon.

I know there's a lot of excuses, I've heard them all, but imo they can do it but it would just cut into their profit margins and maybe do crunch time to get it done, but even that's a stretch.
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I think I read somewhere that Creatures, Inc. has a master collection of every single Pokemon, all modeled out in high quality with stock animations that were used from Pokemon Sun & Moon onward. They're also used in Pokemon Go. I'd think it'd be trivial to incorporate them into any newer games.
 
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