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Website 8chan will be blocked by Spark after El Paso shooting
New Zealand's biggest internet service provider says it will block 8chan after the extremist website was implicated in the white supremacist terror attack in El Paso, Texas, on the weekend.

A hotbed of racism, extremism and hate speech, 8chan was the online forum chosen by the alleged terrorist to post his "manifesto", which explicitly linked the attack, targeting non-white people in the Hispanic-majority city, to the March mosque attacks in Christchurch.

The site, a now infamous incubator of white supremacists, is currently offline, but Spark will suspend access to it if and when it re-emerges, chief executive Jolie Hodson revealed on Thursday night.

Explaining the decision, Spark's head of corporate relations, Andrew Pirie, said that it was reluctant ever to block online content, but "with respect to one particular platform, which has shown egregious behaviour on a consistent basis, we think this is the right thing to do."

Pirie told The Spinoff: "The presumption is that at some point they'll find somebody who's prepared to host them and they'll get back up online again. We've taken a decision that because of their repeated transgressions ... We think it's in the interests of our customers that we block them."

After the March 15 attacks in Christchurch, Spark, along with Vodafone, 2Degrees and other major ISPs, blocked a number of sites, including 8chan, that continued to host content such as the alleged terrorist's video. "We did that for a period of two weeks and then we reverted to business as usual ... We don't want to be in a position where any one person or any group of people at Spark are making the decisions as to what New Zealander can and can't watch online," said Pirie.

Spark called instead on the government to step up. "We think that's a much better for the right bodies in civil society, such as the chief censor, to be making those sort of decisions ... We don't want as individual ISPs to be having to make decisions on every website in the world, on what people should and shouldn't see."

He added: "There have been discussions with the government since March about a better procedure around this stuff."

On Monday, CloudFlare, an online security company that allows sites to remain online in the face of DDoS attacks, said it was dumping 8chan. "While removing 8chan from our network takes the heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online," it said in a blog post.

"In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the internet's."

The chief censor, David Shanks, this week backed internet providers working to stop access to 8chan, as well as urging the government to expedite is review of online hate speech regulation.

Vodafone told The Spinoff they had not taken a decision to block 8chan, but were "watching the situation closely".

Rich Llewellyn, head of external affairs, said: "We will always block where we are required to block. Ideally, 8chan won't find a new server, because we find much of the content they carry abhorrent and despicable. If they do, we will consider options, bearing in mind that we don't believe, in principle, that it is the role of the ISPs to police the internet.

"In an ideal world, we would have clear government guidelines to deal with these sorts of situations. Post-Christchurch, industry and government are working towards that."

Echoing Spark, 2Degrees said it too would block 8chan again should it return online.

A spokesperson said: "2degrees and the industry are united on two things - first, that we find the content of this site to be abhorrent, and the second is that we want to work with government to find a long term solution to how these censorship decisions are made, so that they don't fall to the ISPs. That said, if and when the site in question finds a host and becomes live again, we will block the site again."

Following the Christchurch atrocity, which was streamed live by the alleged killer on Facebook and cheered on by users of 8chan, Spark, Vodafone, 2Degrees and other New Zealand internet providers suspended access to sites that were sharing the video of the attack.

"We believed this extraordinary step was the right thing to do in such extreme and tragic circumstances," wrote the then CEOs of the three companies in an open letter which also challenged Facebook and Twitter to take action.

They wrote: "Content sharing platforms have a duty of care to proactively monitor for harmful content, act expeditiously to remove content which is flagged to them as illegal and ensure that such material - once identified - cannot be re-uploaded."
 
Considering the UK is trying to block porn sites unless you buy a porn pass I have no doubt the UK will be the next country to block 8chan, not that it matters since it's down at the moment.

It's all so tiresome.
 
They wrote: "Content sharing platforms have a duty of care to proactively monitor for harmful content, act expeditiously to remove content which is flagged to them as illegal and ensure that such material - once identified - cannot be re-uploaded."
This one cracked me right the fuck up. You can't do that. You seriously can not do that, there is always a way to keep uploading that shit in, and the manpower to keep it out doesn't exist.

Fucking ISP CEOs don't understand how the Internet works, it's fucking peachy. If that's the metric they want to block'n'ban sites with, there wouldn't be a website standing by noon tomorrow.
 
oh shit next they're gonna block megaupload and the deagle nation forums
 
"In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the internet's."

Translation: we know better than you, and we won't rest until our policies and ideas are echoed by you.
 
I'd like to share a little anecdote I think is very much in context here:

In San Francisco's Tenderloin district it's a fucking shithole. And on the corner of Jones and Ellis, literally one block north of the district's police station, is one of the city's best known hotbeds in which to get all kinds of controlled substances.Mostly crack but heroin and pills are pretty common in that area too. On a good day it's not at all uncommon to see people smoking crack in broad daylight just as casually as one might fire up a cigarette.

So I asked a cop once, "hey man. How are we supposed to have any faith in you guys if you can't even keep your front fucking yard in check?"

He then informed me that they have to look the other way on shit that probably won't be productive anyway. If you fine em, they won't pay. If you jail em, they'll be out again soon thanks to "harm reduction" laws as opposed to strict enforcement... However... if they do something truly fucked up like stab or rob someone they know exactly where to find the person of interest.

All of that is just a really long way of saying that blocking the content doesn't curb whatever ideology they're trying to hide. Quite the opposite. It galvanizes them as martyrs. So why not keep an eye on the joint, 8ch, so you can better monitor the individuals in question?
 
Considering the UK is trying to block porn sites unless you buy a porn pass I have no doubt the UK will be the next country to block 8chan, not that it matters since it's down at the moment.

It's all so tiresome.
Thankfully the porn loisence is delayed indefinitely for the time being because it's a complete fucking mess to implement and virtually impossible to enforce when you have straight up porn on sites like Twitter. 8chan being banned wouldn't surprise me, if only there was a way to appear as if you were in another country, maybe they can call it a VPN or something something like that.

If you can get it in places like Singapore and Malaysia which completely block it without vpn, the UK will be a piece of piss. It just takes a bit more effort than typing "pornhub" into Google.
 
It must suck to live in a nanny state that won't let you see things they don't like because your little pea brain can't be trusted to see bad words and not be infected.
 
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