National Action - Autismal British neo-Nazi edgelords.

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Such patriots, using defunct political symbolism and foreign phrases. Enough to bring a tear to your eye.

Like shouldn't proper British fascists or-whatever be die-hard monarchists who take in-ordinate amounts of pleasure from trouncing the Germans in WW2?

I think that's why I dislike these groups so-much. It's really very cultish behavior wrapped around bigotry and Nazi-Fetishism.

Wait.... I'm a die hard monarchist and I love the fact we beat the shit out of the krauts in WW2 (and just did it again now).

Am.... am I a british fascist? I don't feel like a fascist and don't give a shit where you came from or skin colour provided you've got a british/Commonwealth passport.

I mean, mainland europe went with shit like AFB and Golden Dawn gaining massive traction and our version of the male equivalent of Jam and Jerusalem in UKIP.

Yes, he seriously thought that this was completely possible. Not only that, he wanted to completely remake Berlin into something that the ancient Romans would probably blanche at. Renaming the city into "World Capital Germania, constructing a new meeting hall that would've been so big that it would form clouds from people's breath, and having it be the site of every Olympics ever.

I highly recommend Fatherland by Robert Harris.

Ah yes, the Luggage Lads.
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"ZIZ PROPERTY SHALL LAST A THOUSAND YEARS!"

So in terms of effectiveness they're like a really shit wimpy version of Combat 18?

That is fucking hilarious.

Considering Combat 18 were basically legendary in their brutality happily fighting anyone they don't like and the Police often at the same time vastly outnumbered and driving folks off seeing their "successors" be this useless must make them fucking weep.

 
Wait.... I'm a die hard monarchist and I love the fact we beat the shit out of the krauts in WW2 (and just did it again now).

Am.... am I a british fascist? I don't feel like a fascist and don't give a shit where you came from or skin colour provided you've got a british/Commonwealth passport.

I mean, mainland europe went with shit like AFB and Golden Dawn gaining massive traction and our version of the male equivalent of Jam and Jerusalem in UKIP.

I actually am as-well mate, that's why I don't understand their "patriotism". Because it's so different to what I understand of the concept.

Because they don't profess any kind of love of their country, as-in the nation-state of the United Kingdom, or in it's institutions. Rather they have some fantasy notion of racial heritage with mainland Europe whilst damning their own country as a ZOG puppet or something.

It's like with American Neo-Nazis, you watch you them Swastika flags and I was watching the show thinking, "Surely real American patriots would actually design their own flag incorporating American symbol like Eagles and Stars".
 
I actually am as-well mate, that's why I don't understand their "patriotism". Because it's so different to what I understand of the concept.

Because they don't profess any kind of love of their country, as-in the nation-state of the United Kingdom, or in it's institutions. Rather they have some fantasy notion of racial heritage with mainland Europe whilst damning their own country as a ZOG puppet or something.

It's like with American Neo-Nazis, you watch you them Swastika flags and I was watching the show thinking, "Surely real American patriots would actually design their own flag incorporating American symbol like Eagles and Stars".
I like to think of these people as directionless edgelords who appropriate Nazi symbolism because the attention that they get from it feeds their egos, not due to any sense of patriotism. I'm sure there are those who genuinely believe this stuff, but like the OP said, many are probably trolls who take this stuff way too far.
 
I like to think of these people as directionless edgelords who appropriate Nazi symbolism because the attention that they get from it feeds their egos, not due to any sense of patriotism. I'm sure there are those who genuinely believe this stuff, but like the OP said, many are probably trolls who take this stuff way too far.

Hmm... I honestly think that's far too generous an explanation and gives people too much credit.

If I may power-level a-tad, I watched a member of my family's general Third Reich military romanticism grow over time into genuine Nazi-esque thinking. It started with regaling me with how great the Fallschirmjäger were, because he'd been a paratrooper and felt some-kind of kinship, and before you knew it he had JewWatch.com in his bookmarks. He was a mark for this kind of thing, always had been I guess.

Maybe that makes me biased but I genuinely think just writing this up to "edge-lording" is a mistake. But these people do believe this stuff I think, it takes more than just wanting to be a troll to declare some-kind of sympathy for the Third Reich and genuinely talk about exterminating sub-humans. When I'm at work and see something on the news and call the Spanish a genetically evil race, we all know I'm just joking or impolititely voicing concerns at the Spanish government. That's a bit of edge-lording.

These people aren't generally just edge-lording, and I think it's a genuine case of convincing yourself into racism. I've watched the gradual introduction of Nazi sympathiser dialogue. He'd tell me, indignantly, how these Waffen SS who dressed in US uniforms were all killed as spies and how it's be a war-crime if it had been the other way around (I think he was talking about Operation Greif"). Maybe that would be true, but the only reason you'd get indignant, or even really know about this in like 2013 or what-ever, is if your a Nazi Sympathiser looking for acceptable grievances. Of-course Dresden, the 9/11 of Neo-Nazis, was eventually brought-out. It was when he was condemning the French Resistance for killing poor young German Soldiers ("They'd have been called terrorists if it was the other way around", he'd say) that I finally knew he'd lost the plot. You could almost make a check-list of the Neo-Nazi arguments he'd read on forums and was just repeating.

TLDR. Don't underestimate how much this ideology can genuinely have an effect on people. The Swastika is a powerful symbol and Nazism a powerful ideology that almost rewrote an entire culture in just a few years. I'll be honest, when I was younger, and more like the previously mentioned family-member, I'll say write now that maybe I strayed close to the edge of thinking like that. Don't now obviously. It's insane. White Nationalism is insane. But I'm still staggered by how this invented symbolism gripped an entire country and some people take that to the next-level. There's a certain kind of person that this stuff just appeals too. I know that first-hand, it's why I'm really critical of these people, Alt-Righters and White Nationalists even though I'm actually something of a conservative patriot myself - because I know where it goes.

Getting a tattoo or something is edgy to a lot of people, advocating Nazism goes beyond that.
 
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As the Dead Kennedies say (as cliche as it is), in a real Fourth Reich, they'd be the first ones to go. For people who you'd expect would want to fight, they just... allow themselves to be shoved off into a chamber luggage room?
 
Hmm... I honestly think that's far too generous an explanation and gives people too much credit.

If I may power-level a-tad, I watched a member of my family's general Third Reich military romanticism grow over time into genuine Nazi-esque thinking. It started with regaling me with how great the Fallschirmjäger were, because he'd been a paratrooper and felt some-kind of kinship, and before you knew it he had JewWatch.com in his bookmarks. He was a mark for this kind of thing, always had been I guess.

It's a fascinating rabbithole to fall down, largely because human curiosity demands we find out how people think. The Fallschirmjagers were pretty damn good, if completely useless by the mid-war, only really getting one last "glory" in flying Mussolini out of his prison in the late war. The majority of the time they were just fucking uselessly bumming around on Crete.

Maybe that makes me biased but I genuinely think just writing this up to "edge-lording" is a mistake. But these people do believe this stuff I think, it takes more than just wanting to be a troll to declare some-kind of sympathy for the Third Reich and genuinely talk about exterminating sub-humans. When I'm at work and see something on the news and call the Spanish a genetically evil race, we all know I'm just joking or impolititely voicing concerns at the Spanish government. That's a bit of edge-lording.

There's something... off about National Action though. Nobody's heard of them yet here they are with all sorts of quotes that big them up from figures we do know who all behave and sound terrified. They wandered about trying to be amazing and admitting to crimes on blog posts etc. There's something off about the way they behave, especially when some of their public image so far is... well getting put into a lost property locker and locked in.

Their age range also suggests the edgelordery. There's nearly no senior looking old Neos among them acting as a guide. It's kids stumbling about trying to be cool.

These people aren't generally just edge-lording, and I think it's a genuine case of convincing yourself into racism. I've watched the gradual introduction of Nazi sympathiser dialogue. He'd tell me, indignantly, how these Waffen SS who dressed in US uniforms were all killed as spies and how it's be a war-crime if it had been the other way around (I think he was talking about Operation Greif"). Maybe that would be true, but the only reason you'd get indignant, or even really know about this in like 2013 or what-ever, is if your a Nazi Sympathiser looking for acceptable grievances. Of-course Dresden, the 9/11 of Neo-Nazis, was eventually brought-out. It was when he was condemning the French Resistance for killing poor young German Soldiers ("They'd have been called terrorists if it was the other way around", he'd say) that I finally knew he'd lost the plot.

Yeah it does sound like Operation Grief. Both the Nazis and Soviets engaged in this behaviour to get the jump on their enemies. The Soviets did it much more successfully during Operation Ring at Stalingrad and it was later copied for Op Grief during the Antwerp Campaign. It helped to sow enough discord to cause the US 1st Amy's near collapse.

Dresden is always going to be a sore spot for Germans due to the fact they often don't realize Dresden sat on a key rail junction and was a marshalling yard for the Eastern Front. Flattening Dresden served a number of goals. 1) Vengence for Coventry 2) Disruption of any remaining supplies being rushed to that front 3) A reminder to Stalin of the sheer power of the RAF.
 
It's a fascinating rabbithole to fall down, largely because human curiosity demands we find out how people think. The Fallschirmjagers were pretty damn good, if completely useless by the mid-war, only really getting one last "glory" in flying Mussolini out of his prison in the late war. The majority of the time they were just fucking uselessly bumming around on Crete.

Yeah I remember hearing about stuff like this, or just general Waffen-SS apologia. The regular SS were "faggots" but the Waffen SS were just anti-communist soldiers. You know, fuck me, I think he may have defend the British Friekorps with that same argument. Chirst, if I didn't know any better I'd have thought Otto Skorzeny (a man I would forgive most people for having never heard of) was some-kind of God damn super-soldier. Frankly these are things I shouldn't have been aware of as an average teenager.

Credit where it's due though, he hates Hitler, Himmler and all the other senior leadership. For interfering and not being real soldiers - I guess it's the fact that he was a soldier that gives him that attitude.

There's something... off about National Action though. Nobody's heard of them yet here they are with all sorts of quotes that big them up from figures we do know who all behave and sound terrified. They wandered about trying to be amazing and admitting to crimes on blog posts etc. There's something off about the way they behave, especially when some of their public image so far is... well getting put into a lost property locker and locked in.

Their age range also suggests the edgelordery. There's nearly no senior looking old Neos among them acting as a guide. It's kids stumbling about trying to be cool.

I'd consider that more of just an age thing. Like, to keep referring to my family, this guy isn't old. He's around 50. But he's remarried now with a new kid, he's got a good job and found someone who's willing to just roll her eyes at the occasional bout of xenophobia.

Even NeoNazis can hold down jobs and relationships with normal people (seriously she's a lovely women) if they can just keep their mouths shut about the Reich and talk about the football or something.
 
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socialist af

Really? Because the privatizations show otherwise. And the fact that they took slaves.

Also, "socialism" doesn't mean "command economies". Socialism refers to the democratic control of the means of production by the working class. It is against private property (which is different from personal property, so no we aren't going to steal your toothbrush and your Xbox.

Pure ideology, man.
 
Their age range also suggests the edgelordery. There's nearly no senior looking old Neos among them acting as a guide. It's kids stumbling about trying to be cool.

Well most of the old Neos are either inside or have faded into obscurity, it seems...
 
Why is it that the people who would be at the bottom of the Nazi hierarchy (or worse) are the ones who are into this shit the most? 'Course it works out for us because that makes it all the more funny.
 
Why is it that the people who would be at the bottom of the Nazi hierarchy (or worse) are the ones who are into this shit the most?

I've never understood this myself. Maybe something to do with the idea that if there was a Nazi takeover they wouldn't be at the bottom any more because the blacks and Jews would be at the bottom, so from their perspective, it's in their interest, perhaps?
 
I've never understood this myself. Maybe something to do with the idea that if there was a Nazi takeover they wouldn't be at the bottom any more because the blacks and Jews would be at the bottom, so from their perspective, it's in their interest, perhaps?

Sort of like the SA they'd be some of the ones to do the early smashing stuff up and being thugs and then be disposed of the moment they were politically inconvenient.
 
Sort of like the SA they'd be some of the ones to do the early smashing stuff up and being thugs and then be disposed of the moment they were politically inconvenient.

But this begs the question - why would anyone willingly sign up for a movement that has a high likelihood of being thrown under the bus once they've achieved their objectives?

But then again, neo Nazis, not the sharpest tools in the box, etc.
 
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