Naruto/Boruto Griefing Thread

[RybenZ999]

The problem is that it is something that you can buy as opposed to something you work for. Boruto is there to impress people with his skills, not his tools. It is like showing up at a Spelling Bee with a phone to Google the words to see how they are spelled. You are not impressing anyone with it by showing up with something that one can buy at a store and once used it can grant you easy victory. That is not what this exam is about.

Also, if you make ninjas too reliant on tools, they will forget how to function without them. If the tool malfunctions during combat, you might as well as surrender. There is a reason why even in modern times militaries train soldiers in the basics. You might be needed to kill someone with a knife or know how to navigate without guidance. Forgoing basic skills just because you got new weapons is stupid and is not allowed to happen in real life. The tool was useful in a pinch against someone who caused you to run out of chakra but that is it. It would have negative effects on everything else.

Yeah but can't you make that same argument about food pills, sharingan, byakugan and even Naruto's fox pet?

 

[Incecticyder]

Yeah but can't you make that same argument about food pills, sharingan, byakugan and even Naruto's fox pet?

Not really. There always credit for things that are difficult to master but have huge payoff. Food pills drain you and force yo to burn chakra and fat at a dangerous rate. There is a lot of hard work going into mastering wielding this and most of the time you have to eat a lot so as to survive taking the pills. It is an investment on the part of the user. Sharingan, Byakugan and other such jutsu are natural talents one is born with. Like coming from a family of tall people. Also, you need a lot of practice to make them work to their fullest extend. As for Kurama, he is a very rare creature of which only a few exist. You also have to get along with him to use his power otherwise you are in danger and so is anyone else around you. Not to mention that anyone trying to use his healing factor will end up dead unless descended from the Uzumaki as it requires enormous chakra reserves.

All these require hard work and investment to master (as well as talent). That ninja tool does not. It just does things for you. It is like taking an aimbot to a CS:GO tournament. It does not take skill, just money. No one wants to see that. If you want to showcase that tool, go to an expo.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

All these require hard work and investment to master (as well as talent). That ninja tool does not. It just does things for you. It is like taking an aimbot to a CS:GO tournament. It does not take skill, just money. No one wants to see that. If you want to showcase that tool, go to an expo.

I just can't get over how much of a dick Naruto was about it. Boruto was ASKED to show off this tool. Naruto KNEW he was asked to show this off by someone else. Ya have to feel bad for the scientist guy. He makes this amazing invention that lets even genin use Kage Level Jutsu effortlessly and would scale up war in ways that would be absolutely unfair and devastating in a combat setting. What does he get for it? Not even a thank you and then gets dumped on because ninjutsu is out and Ootsutsukis are in.

 

[Incecticyder]

I just can't get over how much of a dick Naruto was about it. Boruto was ASKED to show off this tool. Naruto KNEW he was asked to show this off by someone else. Ya have to feel bad for the scientist guy. He makes this amazing invention that lets even genin use Kage Level Jutsu effortlessly and would scale up war in ways that would be absolutely unfair and devastating in a combat setting. What does he get for it? Not even a thank you and then gets dumped on because ninjutsu is out and Ootsutsukis are in.

Sorry but I am on Naruto's side on this. He was put in an impossible situation. He had no choice but to embarrass Boruto publicly. If someone other than him found out and exposed Boruto, do you think that would be better? If the accusation that Naruto is a hypocrite that banned the tool but still allowed his son to use it to have an advantage started to fly around, the entire village would be seen as having no integrity. Good luck saving face after this.

As for the scientist, he was asked to not do one thing and he did it anyway. Not to mention that he dragged the Hokage's son into this. He should've been in a mountain-load of trouble.

You are forgetting that the Chuunin exams are a political game. If Naruto hadn't exposed Boruto, he would have been seen as someone who was willing to cheat and deceive his allies. That would have been horrible for Konoha.

And no, talking to him in private would not have worked. Someone could have overheard them talk and exposed both of them.

I also believe that Naruto was embarrassed by Boruto's unwillingness to work hard. He was a genius amongst his peers and yet he got lazy and did not train hard enough. That is like a valedictorian cheating on tests even though they had the chance to study.

Naruto had every right to be mad and expose Boruto.

 

[RybenZ999]

Not really. There always credit for things that are difficult to master but have huge payoff. Food pills drain you and force yo to burn chakra and fat at a dangerous rate. There is a lot of hard work going into mastering wielding this and most of the time you have to eat a lot so as to survive taking the pills. It is an investment on the part of the user. Sharingan, Byakugan and other such jutsu are natural talents one is born with. Like coming from a family of tall people. Also, you need a lot of practice to make them work to their fullest extend. As for Kurama, he is a very rare creature of which only a few exist. You also have to get along with him to use his power otherwise you are in danger and so is anyone else around you. Not to mention that anyone trying to use his healing factor will end up dead unless descended from the Uzumaki as it requires enormous chakra reserves.

All these require hard work and investment to master (as well as talent). That ninja tool does not. It just does things for you. It is like taking an aimbot to a CS:GO tournament. It does not take skill, just money. No one wants to see that. If you want to showcase that tool, go to an expo.

I just can't get over how much of a dick Naruto was about it. Boruto was ASKED to show off this tool. Naruto KNEW he was asked to show this off by someone else. Ya have to feel bad for the scientist guy. He makes this amazing invention that lets even genin use Kage Level Jutsu effortlessly and would scale up war in ways that would be absolutely unfair and devastating in a combat setting. What does he get for it? Not even a thank you and then gets dumped on because ninjutsu is out and Ootsutsukis are in.

Tbh this makes Naruto come off as a bit of a boomer. This feels like the ninja equivalent of someone forcing you to take the math quiz without a calculator because you need to "you won't have a calculator on you all the time and need to learn to add and multiply on a whim."

 

[Incecticyder]

Tbh this makes Naruto come off as a bit of a boomer. This feels like the ninja equivalent of someone forcing you to take the math quiz without a calculator because you need to "you won't have a calculator on you all the time and need to learn to add and multiply on a whim."

No, it is like cheating in the Olympics. It brings shame to you, your family and country. Like those people that add a motor into their bicycles in order to get an advantage.

Are we pro-dopping now? Everyone hates those that cheat in the Olympics.

 

[Chilson]

The problem is that it is something that you can buy as opposed to something you work for. Boruto is there to impress people with his skills, not his tools. It is like showing up at a Spelling Bee with a phone to Google the words to see how they are spelled. You are not impressing anyone with it by showing up with something that one can buy at a store and once used it can grant you easy victory. That is not what this exam is about.

Also, if you make ninjas too reliant on tools, they will forget how to function without them. If the tool malfunctions during combat, you might as well as surrender. There is a reason why even in modern times militaries train soldiers in the basics. You might be needed to kill someone with a knife or know how to navigate without guidance. Forgoing basic skills just because you got new weapons is stupid and is not allowed to happen in real life. The tool was useful in a pinch against someone who caused you to run out of chakra but that is it. It would have negative effects on everything else.

Then they should have outlawed every ninja tool that was brought into that "exam". There is really no difference between the tool Boruto was using and the metallic sand that one side character brought in that only he could control or any of the characters who brought in Kunai.

I still remember the first exam from the original show where the very first test was literally A TEST ON HOW GOOD THEY WERE AT CHEATING!!! This isn't a spelling bee, its a test to see if your a good enough ninja to be promoted to a higher rank. A Ninja is a solider of deceit, guile and stealth. And being able to hide and effectively use a new tool that makes the job easier is 100% what an actual Ninja would be tested on.

There is no justification for this other than contrivance to force the characters to do what plot demanded.

 

[Son of Big Boss]

Boruto plot is built on contrivances.
Before, the Hokage job was shown to be quite lax, but since they needed to have some form of conflict between Naruto and Boruto, now the Hokage job means being stuck doing paperwork 24/7... Even though no other Kage was shown to do that much paperwork and logically now that there are no wars anymore you would think there would be LESS work to do not MORE.

 

[A-Stump]

Tbh this makes Naruto come off as a bit of a boomer. This feels like the ninja equivalent of someone forcing you to take the math quiz without a calculator because you need to "you won't have a calculator on you all the time and need to learn to add and multiply on a whim."

It's not just about what end result you derive from the tool. At least from Naruto's perspective his hard work and dedication to his skills made him who he was. He was shaped into the person he is by having to become disciplined and absorbing bits and pieces of those who helped him along the journey.

Personally I think this idea is best emphasized through Konohamaru. You can see the best of his mentor's skills and personality traits shine through as he gets older.


@Son of Big Boss The Hokage position in times of no war is infamously tedious. There's a reason why people want to dump the position when it's passed off on them out of lack of any other suitable candidates. This is demonstrated with Tsunade shirking off all her work on Shizune because it was such a boring job and basically wanting nothing to do with it.

 

[Incecticyder]

Then they should have outlawed every ninja tool that was brought into that "exam". There is really no difference between the tool Boruto was using and the metallic sand that one side character brought in that only he could control or any of the characters who brought in Kunai.

It is really not the same. There is a difference between that and the Scientific Ninja Tools. The problem is that such a tool outright does ALL of the work for you. It skips chakra control, sign weaving and chakra reservation to just make the jutsu happen. It is like bringing a motorbike to a bicycle race. Yeah, you won, so what? The machine did everything for you.

As for the guy who can control sand, that requires talent, hard work and stamina. He is still being tested. It is an exam.

I still remember the first exam from the original show where the very first test was literally A TEST ON HOW GOOD THEY WERE AT CHEATING!!!

Good GOD! They were not cheating! They were SPYING! That was what the test was about! Do you think the proctors did not notice the "cheating"? They did! They graded them on their ability to acquire/pass on/guard information! There was no cheating! Espionage was how one passes!

This isn't a spelling bee, its a test to see if your a good enough ninja to be promoted to a higher rank. A Ninja is a solider of deceit, guile and stealth.

Except for the fact that such a tool was against the rules. There is supposed to be an even playing field to truly test the examinees. If you could bring a tool that skips major parts of what makes a good ninja, you will end up with ninjas that cannot even wield chakra properly without the use of machines. What happens when their tool breaks down for whatever reason? They bend over and request the enemy put on lube? No! You should be able to fight at high level without a tool holding your hand and doing all the chakra stuff for you! That is what the exam is there for! To test you, not your tools. Such tools would be better at an expo. If you are useless without your tools then you put a massive target on your back and the tool would be stolen from your hand by someone who knows what they are doing.

And being able to hide and effectively use a new tool that makes the job easier is 100% what an actual Ninja would be tested on.

Being able to use that tool would have been great... at another event that caters to engineering. That event was for the stuff you LEARNED, not the stuff you were able to ACQUIRE! Yes, being able to use new weapons is important but the Chuunin exam was about how good a ninja YOU are, not how good a ninja the TOOLS made you.

Look at Kankuro! Yeah, he uses a tool but forming, maintaining and controlling the chakra threads is what makes the puppets do anything other than be dead weights. He makes the puppets work! The tool does everything for you!

It's not just about what end result you derive from the tool. At least from Naruto's perspective his hard work and dedication to his skills made him who he was. He was shaped into the person he is by having to become disciplined and absorbing bits and pieces of those who helped him along the journey.

Personally I think this idea is best emphasized through Konohamaru. You can see the best of his mentor's skills and personality traits shine through as he gets older.

This. Naruto worked hard to get where he was. Boruto was born more talented and yet he decided to take the easy road.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Chapter 27 of Boruto dropped, so let's get into it!

The cover this time is Inojin and turns out his jacket is purple and yellow. Strange color choice, but he stands out amongst the rest. He's grabbing his weapon on his back and body facing away from the audience. It's more of an action pose which I can get behind.

We pick up last time with Daemon getting behind Sarada and Sumire. He tells them he could kill them both before they even realize it, and then he backs off. Eida wonders how they were able to evade Omnipotence, and ultimately comes to the conclusion she subconsciously chose for them to be unaffected. She tells them what she really wanted was just normal friends this entire time and back when Sarada suggested it in the original manga, she was happy. She never had a normal interpersonal relationship and had been wanting normal friends for a very long time. She says she doesn't see Sumire or Sarada actually harming her, but that she wouldn't mind if her friends were the ones to take her out. Sarada and Sumire both give Eida a hug and even Daemon smiles at this. Meaning finally, at long last, this dumb plot point of Eida and these two potentially being at odds is officially at its end. We no longer have to worry about Daemon and this potentially backstabbing Eida plot that nobody cares about. Plus, we've made actual progress on the Omnipotence plot for the first time in like...1200 pages! We finally know why Sarada and Sumire weren't affected and if she did this subconsciously, it's possible she did other things without realizing it too. The story actually moves forward slightly!

Kashin Koji is explaining to Inojin that Mamushi will use his ability to Divide. He can make clones that are totally not Shadow Clones, they're better and have no strength drawback. However, the more he makes, the dumber he gets. His sense of pain dulls and he becomes simpler. The plan is to make him use Divide so much, he's ineffective and can be all cut down at once. Okay, so far we have a plan and know about his ability. Isn't it nice Koji can just explain this all for us and we don't have to find it out during the fight itself? Apparently destroying their eyes prevents them from using Divide further. Well that's convenient. They'll regain intelligence though once there are fewer. Koji says to keep their numbers high, around 20-30. Shikamaru posits that if there are too few they'll be hard to deal with but too many could potentially swarm them. He asks what happens if Mamushi leaves one clone behind. Koji responds by telling him, he can't. They have a tendency to all flock together and the more they divide, the closer they stick together. Wow, that's really convenient. Almost contrived, one would say. And their plan? FIGHT HIM IN KONOHA. Um...Excuse me, Koji? Are you taking the piss? Inojin asks why not go out and attack him outside the village but Koji states he doesn't want Jura to interfere. Jura likes Konoha and won't harm it, and apparently Mamushi would never go against what Jura wants. Boruto asks what if he gets really dumb and just starts rampaging. Koji says, it doesn't matter because his drive to listen to Jura is INSTINCTUAL, making Konoha the ideal battlefield. Oh, how convenient for you. This sounds like a great idea that totally won't and can't go horribly wrong. He also says Inojin needs to master a new jutsu he creates in the future after Himawari dies to get revenge on the trees. Upon hearing this, Inojin resolves to master it in one day.

We cut to Amado and Kawaki discussing the previous battle with Jura. Amado says it's like Jura's virtually immortal but Kawaki insists he could feel like Jura can be killed. He says he needs more firepower, but Amado says he can't handle anymore. He grabs Amado by the throat and pins him against the wall, saying he'll do it or he won't help his daughter. Amado says his body won't tolerate much more but Kawaki isn't having it. He tells Amado to accept his place in life and take the gamble. What a prick. I hope this actually amounts to something and not just a moment where Kawaki is stunned or some bs.

We join Konohamaru's interrogation by the Fire Lord's Aide. I wish they'd name this guy already...Anyway, he says just because Konohamaru was involved in the interrogation of Boruto, doesn't mean he isn't a mole. Konohamaru says that at first he despised Boruto, but now he says he feels some kind of inconsistency with him being a traitor. The Aide asks how he can say such a thing given the situation he's in, and if he doesn't think he's just being played. The Aide determines that he doesn't have the character to be a mole, meaning someone else is....At that moment Shikamaru speaks telepathically to Konohamaru. He says he's the one who helped Boruto escape, but don't act suspiciously right now. Great, wonderful timing ass hole. He asks for Konohamaru to help them all out. Sai seems to catch onto something being wrong.

Sumire leaves Eida's to head off to the lab but runs into Boruto once outside. He shows her his sword, which has been chipped during the last fight. He gives a scroll that's apparently new blueprints for technology from the future that Sumire creates down the line. He asks her to fix his sword for him, which she delightedly says she will do. She says though it will be something entirely new when she's done. She also asks him not to call her class rep anymore, Sumire is fine. Much to Boruto's surprise. One thing to note is that Sumire's eyes in this entire conversation has this frog eye thing going where they're as far apart as humanly possible. Several days later, Mamushi arrives at the village.

Well after last chapter, we're back to stupid. Moving some plot lines along is nice and ending a weaker one was pretty good. That's where the good things end. Mamushi's powers though are SUPER contrived to make the battle winnable in their favor. In a way, Division feels worse than Shadow Clones given how limited they are. It almost feels like cheating. I also can't help but feel like this is a terrible plan that puts innocent people's lives in danger. Looks like next week we'll get the fight where I'm nothing will go wrong at all thanks to Koji's stupid plans. I'm surprised Mamushi doesn't have a psychic based ability. The first thing he does is counter Eida's Senreigan, what ability was that? It seemed to be something only he could do. We're also using the psychic kid to fight him....I don't know, it feels like that would fit better. Honestly, a weaker follow up to last week.

 

[Incecticyder]

The cover this time is Inojin and turns out his jacket is purple and yellow. Strange color choice, but he stands out amongst the rest. He's grabbing his weapon on his back and body facing away from the audience. It's more of an action pose which I can get behind.

We pick up last time with Daemon getting behind Sarada and Sumire. He tells them he could kill them both before they even realize it, and then he backs off. Eida wonders how they were able to evade Omnipotence, and ultimately comes to the conclusion she subconsciously chose for them to be unaffected. She tells them what she really wanted was just normal friends this entire time and back when Sarada suggested it in the original manga, she was happy. She never had a normal interpersonal relationship and had been wanting normal friends for a very long time. She says she doesn't see Sumire or Sarada actually harming her, but that she wouldn't mind if her friends were the ones to take her out. Sarada and Sumire both give Eida a hug and even Daemon smiles at this. Meaning finally, at long last, this dumb plot point of Eida and these two potentially being at odds is officially at its end. We no longer have to worry about Daemon and this potentially backstabbing Eida plot that nobody cares about. Plus, we've made actual progress on the Omnipotence plot for the first time in like...1200 pages! We finally know why Sarada and Sumire weren't affected and if she did this subconsciously, it's possible she did other things without realizing it too. The story actually moves forward slightly!

Yeah, decent cover.

Call me a pessimist but she might have told them that she no longer suspects them to make them drop their guard. But if I am wrong, then good stuff. Shame that it took her this long to realize that she could control her ability.

Kashin Koji is explaining to Inojin that Mamushi will use his ability to Divide. He can make clones that are totally not Shadow Clones, they're better and have no strength drawback. However, the more he makes, the dumber he gets. His sense of pain dulls and he becomes simpler. The plan is to make him use Divide so much, he's ineffective and can be all cut down at once. Okay, so far we have a plan and know about his ability. Isn't it nice Koji can just explain this all for us and we don't have to find it out during the fight itself? Apparently destroying their eyes prevents them from using Divide further. Well that's convenient. They'll regain intelligence though once there are fewer. Koji says to keep their numbers high, around 20-30. Shikamaru posits that if there are too few they'll be hard to deal with but too many could potentially swarm them. He asks what happens if Mamushi leaves one clone behind. Koji responds by telling him, he can't. They have a tendency to all flock together and the more they divide, the closer they stick together. Wow, that's really convenient. Almost contrived, one would say. And their plan? FIGHT HIM IN KONOHA. Um...Excuse me, Koji? Are you taking the piss? Inojin asks why not go out and attack him outside the village but Koji states he doesn't want Jura to interfere. Jura likes Konoha and won't harm it, and apparently Mamushi would never go against what Jura wants. Boruto asks what if he gets really dumb and just starts rampaging. Koji says, it doesn't matter because his drive to listen to Jura is INSTINCTUAL, making Konoha the ideal battlefield. Oh, how convenient for you. This sounds like a great idea that totally won't and can't go horribly wrong. He also says Inojin needs to master a new jutsu he creates in the future after Himawari dies to get revenge on the trees. Upon hearing this, Inojin resolves to master it in one day.

A lot of these feel contrived but they also make sense. I appreciate that is not a carbon copy of Mu's version of the technique. He got too weak even after a single Division to be a big threat as he loses access to the Dust Release (the Ninja Storm games get this wrong actually). Still, getting dumber is a hindrance but one that can be mitigated at least by it requiring 20-30 clones to be detrimental. His defeat seems to need effort. As for the need to stick together, it is both a weakness and a strength. Defeating all of them is going to be very hard as you need to kill all of them in a single blow. Not as easy as it sounds. I also do not think that being INSTINCTUALLY loyal to Jura is contrived. Jura is smarter than his maker. He can put fail-safes that Code could never think of. Also, it being capable of going wrong is not a bad thing. There have to be stakes.

So, here is my plan to how I would capture him: Seals. Have each clone be sealed, have him create more clones, make him dumper and, as no clone died, capture the rest in a massive seal with a trap. Seals are the best solution. Also, good to see Inojin do something. He was the bland one amongst the new InoShikaCho. I think his new jutsu will be mass mind control for the many stupid clones.

We cut to Amado and Kawaki discussing the previous battle with Jura. Amado says it's like Jura's virtually immortal but Kawaki insists he could feel like Jura can be killed. He says he needs more firepower, but Amado says he can't handle anymore. He grabs Amado by the throat and pins him against the wall, saying he'll do it or he won't help his daughter. Amado says his body won't tolerate much more but Kawaki isn't having it. He tells Amado to accept his place in life and take the gamble. What a prick. I hope this actually amounts to something and not just a moment where Kawaki is stunned or some bs.

Kawaki just does not compromise. He is an idiot and an asshole. You want more power? Get stronger! Ask Amado to do experiments to make you stronger. HELL, ASK OROCHIMARU!!! You made Mitsuki worship your feet, use that! Seriously, we have kept Orochimaru around and we do not even use him?

We join Konohamaru's interrogation by the Fire Lord's Aide. I wish they'd name this guy already...Anyway, he says just because Konohamaru was involved in the interrogation of Boruto, doesn't mean he isn't a mole. Konohamaru says that at first he despised Boruto, but now he says he feels some kind of inconsistency with him being a traitor. The Aide asks how he can say such a thing given the situation he's in, and if he doesn't think he's just being played. The Aide determines that he doesn't have the character to be a mole, meaning someone else is....At that moment Shikamaru speaks telepathically to Konohamaru. He says he's the one who helped Boruto escape, but don't act suspiciously right now. Great, wonderful timing ass hole. He asks for Konohamaru to help them all out. Sai seems to catch onto something being wrong.

At least Sai is capable enough with conspiracies to maybe be on Boruto's side. Inojin is, so Sai might end up in there too. Maybe Koji knew he could trust Sai? You never know with this guy.

Sumire leaves Eida's to head off to the lab but runs into Boruto once outside. He shows her his sword, which has been chipped during the last fight. He gives a scroll that's apparently new blueprints for technology from the future that Sumire creates down the line. He asks her to fix his sword for him, which she delightedly says she will do. She says though it will be something entirely new when she's done. She also asks him not to call her class rep anymore, Sumire is fine. Much to Boruto's surprise. One thing to note is that Sumire's eyes in this entire conversation has this frog eye thing going where they're as far apart as humanly possible. Several days later, Mamushi arrives at the village.

At least Sumire does SOMETHING. I am not going to lie to you, I was never much of a fan of her. She is too little like a Narutoverse character. She feels like she does not belong in here.

Well after last chapter, we're back to stupid. Moving some plot lines along is nice and ending a weaker one was pretty good. That's where the good things end. Mamushi's powers though are SUPER contrived to make the battle winnable in their favor. In a way, Division feels worse than Shadow Clones given how limited they are. It almost feels like cheating. I also can't help but feel like this is a terrible plan that puts innocent people's lives in danger. Looks like next week we'll get the fight where I'm nothing will go wrong at all thanks to Koji's stupid plans. I'm surprised Mamushi doesn't have a psychic based ability. The first thing he does is counter Eida's Senreigan, what ability was that? It seemed to be something only he could do. We're also using the psychic kid to fight him....I don't know, it feels like that would fit better. Honestly, a weaker follow up to last week.

Division has certain drawbacks but its strength is that every clone is real. Punching them does not dissolve them and considering the other abilities of the DTs, this is going to be a tricky fight. Having him summon 10 very strong and decently smart clones will make the fight very hard, especially as they have to make him feel like his life is in enough danger to summon more clones but not enough to have any of them die. And he can always retreat too. That is something to look out for.

All in all, I have to disagree with your assessment. I think that this version of Division will be a decent threat, provided Ikemoto does not drop the ball. Still, it was a weaker chapter but not a bad one. God knows we had bad ones.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

All in all, I have to disagree with your assessment. I think that this version of Division will be a decent threat, provided Ikemoto does not drop the ball.

I think my big problem is the presentation. I could swallow the Jura bit more if mid fight, Jura threatened Mamushi to not destroy the village, everyone sees Mamushi pause when destroying the village and change tactics as if frightened and reveal Koji was banking on this. It's great they're asking these questions, and we should get answers but maybe not getting ALL the answers would've helped. I also don't trust Koji's plans. They're often half baked. What will probably happen is Sarada's Mangekyou will be used to pin them all down and Boruto and Kawaki will finish off Mamushi. That's my prediction, I don't know what will happen. Eida is also raising a lot of red flags lately. So maybe she's put in genuine danger. Eida has not been using the Senreigan thanks to Mamushi so if they got rid of him, and got access to Eida's powers again, that would be a little too useful to our heroes and Eida may need to be taken out to prevent that.

Or maybe this is all a red herring and something else will happen. Ikemoto did some set up for this, so I guess we'll just have to see where it goes.

 

[Incecticyder]

I think my big problem is the presentation. I could swallow the Jura bit more if mid fight, Jura threatened Mamushi to not destroy the village, everyone sees Mamushi pause when destroying the village and change tactics as if frightened and reveal Koji was banking on this. It's great they're asking these questions, and we should get answers but maybe not getting ALL the answers would've helped.

I get that but it also makes sense that Jura would have talked to everyone before and was clear that they should not destroy Konoha. I do believe that this is a conversation that happened. Also, I doubt that these are all the answers. This does feel like a misdirection. There will be a twist (provided Ike does not make a mess).

I also don't trust Koji's plans. They're often half baked.

Words to live by. Hopefully he learned to at least include all others and tell everything.

What will probably happen is Sarada's Mangekyou will be used to pin them all down and Boruto and Kawaki will finish off Mamushi. That's my prediction, I don't know what will happen.

I think that Inojin will be used. He has been set up, he has to be the key. Sarada's MS can help but he has to be the main guy.

Eida is also raising a lot of red flags lately. So maybe she's put in genuine danger. Eida has not been using the Senreigan thanks to Mamushi so if they got rid of him, and got access to Eida's powers again, that would be a little too useful to our heroes and Eida may need to be taken out to prevent that.

I think that either she turns into a DT or her Senreigan gets harmed (which might hurt her chances to undo Omnipotence). But that is secondary to your prediction that she might be taken out. She could be incapacitated but she will not be killed. I do not know about her brother though. He might just bite the dust.

Or maybe this is all a red herring and something else will happen. Ikemoto did some set up for this, so I guess we'll just have to see where it goes.

I do not know what to think either. Maybe Ike learned and is going to do things differently? At least we skipped to the Mamushi fight. We will find out soon.

 

[RybenZ999]

In retrospect, did Naruto and Kurama becoming pals feel like it came out of nowhere? Like, fans disagree with it by saying that "Oh it was 500 episodes of build up! It's the least rushed and most well written story arc! Kurama has been with Naruto since childhood..." but for me, it felt a bit out of the blue since they gave no indication of that happening before Naruto met Killer B. No seriously, before that Kurama was portrayed as a completely amoral being who was repeatedly described as the "very personification of hatred" and seemingly was on par with the worst of Naruto's villains. The two only interacted a handful of times before that and, on screen at least, expressed nothing but contempt and hatred for each other.


Even if it wasn't, Kurama's attitude definitely like a complete 180 with the way he started acting like Naruto's drinking buddy right off the bat when he released the seal. They could have portrayed him allying with Naruto for pragmatic purposes at first before eventually warming up to him after defeating Kaguya.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

They could have portrayed him allying with Naruto for pragmatic purposes at first before eventually warming up to him after defeating Kaguya.

Shounen and mangaka have insisted for years now that they didn't rush Naruto and Bleach, but I just don't buy it. Japan is notorious for lying and hiding inner workings like this and we'll never get the truth. However, the truth is in the work itself. My theory for the longest time has been that Shounen was unhappy with having three 500+ chapter series in its magazine at the time and they were getting diminishing returns. It was probably stats about new readership that started this conversation but other circumstances actually set things in motion.

I believe Kubo's failing health had a huge impact on this. Him getting sick and I can imagine Kishimoto not looking much better, were the reasons they started pushing for these series to end. The numbers were diminishing, they had other new series they wanted to greenlight, and both series were on their last arcs anyway but Kubo was talking 5 more years and bed ridden, while Kishimoto still clearly had an entire arc to go as well as The Last and Boruto in production. Might as well nudge them to wrap things up. There's so many things in the war arc that were setup and never explored. There's so many off screen fights and characters they hype up that we just never see, even in the anime. It can't all be Kishimoto never intending to explore these things. Up until then, say what you want about Naruto, he's usually pretty good at exploring the things he starts.

When it comes to Kurama, I always found it jarring too how fast they become friends. The Fox really has no choice but to serve Naruto, unless it wants to get captured by Tobi, but it feels very sloppy.

 

[Incecticyder]

In retrospect, did Naruto and Kurama becoming pals feel like it came out of nowhere? Like, fans disagree with it by saying that "Oh it was 500 episodes of build up! It's the least rushed and most well written story arc! Kurama has been with Naruto since childhood..." but for me, it felt a bit out of the blue since they gave no indication of that happening before Naruto met Killer B. No seriously, before that Kurama was portrayed as a completely amoral being who was repeatedly described as the "very personification of hatred" and seemingly was on par with the worst of Naruto's villains. The two only interacted a handful of times before that and, on screen at least, expressed nothing but contempt and hatred for each other.


Even if it wasn't, Kurama's attitude definitely like a complete 180 with the way he started acting like Naruto's drinking buddy right off the bat when he released the seal. They could have portrayed him allying with Naruto for pragmatic purposes at first before eventually warming up to him after defeating Kaguya.

I am a certified Naruto critic but this is factually wrong. Kurama started trusting Naruto after he made the promise that he would defeat his hatred for humanity and become his friend. Every TB has a unique ability: Sand, Blue Fire etc. Kurama's ability is detection of bad intentions. When Naruto made his promise, Kurama could tell he truly wanted to be his friend and by unlocking the seal he proved it. Breaking the seal was Naruto proving that he trusted Kurama with his body without fear. Apart from the Sage, Naruto was the first person to treat Kurama his ally and friend and not as a bargaining tool or weapon. Him working to free his siblings also further proved that. Also, Kurama hated Madara and wished to oppose him as he had enslaved him in the past and knew how powerful and crazy he was.

Shounen and mangaka have insisted for years now that they didn't rush Naruto and Bleach, but I just don't buy it. Japan is notorious for lying and hiding inner workings like this and we'll never get the truth. However, the truth is in the work itself. My theory for the longest time has been that Shounen was unhappy with having three 500+ chapter series in its magazine at the time and they were getting diminishing returns. It was probably stats about new readership that started this conversation but other circumstances actually set things in motion.

I believe Kubo's failing health had a huge impact on this. Him getting sick and I can imagine Kishimoto not looking much better, were the reasons they started pushing for these series to end. The numbers were diminishing, they had other new series they wanted to greenlight, and both series were on their last arcs anyway but Kubo was talking 5 more years and bed ridden, while Kishimoto still clearly had an entire arc to go as well as The Last and Boruto in production. Might as well nudge them to wrap things up. There's so many things in the war arc that were setup and never explored. There's so many off screen fights and characters they hype up that we just never see, even in the anime. It can't all be Kishimoto never intending to explore these things. Up until then, say what you want about Naruto, he's usually pretty good at exploring the things he starts.

When it comes to Kurama, I always found it jarring too how fast they become friends. The Fox really has no choice but to serve Naruto, unless it wants to get captured by Tobi, but it feels very sloppy.

Industry talk is that Kubo's health problems caused by overwork were the reason for allowing mangaka more breaks. I doubt it was diminishing returns though. Even SEW admitted to messing up the numbers in his The Fall of Bleach video.

Even Shueisha launched the Jump+ imprint for those who can only manage two chapters per month. There is no better proof than that.

As for wanting to try new stuff, that is risky. They might fail. Having 2 or 3 evergreen IP with fans that always buy the mag is a good insurance policy should the newer stuff fail or have weaker initial sales. That is just being smart.

 

[RybenZ999]

I am a certified Naruto critic but this is factually wrong. Kurama started trusting Naruto after he made the promise that he would defeat his hatred for humanity and become his friend. Every TB has a unique ability: Sand, Blue Fire etc. Kurama's ability is detection of bad intentions. When Naruto made his promise, Kurama could tell he truly wanted to be his friend and by unlocking the seal he proved it. Breaking the seal was Naruto proving that he trusted Kurama with his body without fear. Apart from the Sage, Naruto was the first person to treat Kurama his ally and friend and not as a bargaining tool or weapon. Him working to free his siblings also further proved that. Also, Kurama hated Madara and wished to oppose him as he had enslaved him in the past and knew how powerful and crazy he was.

I guess it's mostly vibes for me. Before Killer Bee was introduced, Kurama didn't seem to be anything more than a sapient version of the T Rex from Jurassic Park as far as morals go. If they had given us some backdrop about him much earlier, and had him at least occasionally acting like something other than "violent, angry monster" then the change in attitude would have been less jarring.

 

[Incecticyder]

I guess it's mostly vibes for me. Before Killer Bee was introduced, Kurama didn't seem to be anything more than a sapient version of the T Rex from Jurassic Park as far as morals go. If they had given us some backdrop about him much earlier, and had him at least occasionally acting like something other than "violent, angry monster" then the change in attitude would have been less jarring.

There was not much of a need for more. We knew that he was abused by humans and so were his siblings. We were shown that he had the ability to detect evil intent. He was always shown the worst of humanity and become embittered by it. Naruto was the first person to treat him well even though Kurama was the source of his misery and had every right to return his hatred but chose not to. Also, I think it is obvious that both Naruto and Kurama got envious of the relationship Killer B and Gyuki had so each was more willing to give it a shot.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

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