Naruto/Boruto Griefing Thread

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CptnSnshn said:
I've been trying to think how to "fix" the series and I think you need to start at the Sasuke Retrieval Arc:
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I'm fine with Choji not dying. He's one of the few side characters that does get moments later on. His father and Kakashi saving him from Pain was good, and fighting against the Gedo Mazo was neat. Neji however, is fucking useless and should've died earlier.

Gorillion others said:
This is what does it for me. The story is as predictable as it gets as if it's just Naruto 2.0 down to the minutest detail. Only 70% edgier and cringier. The fact that these Moto dudes seem to be drawing heavily from hiphop culture when it isn't even the 90s or 2000s anymore just screams "out of touch".
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These designs are horrible. They had a chance to completely redo Himawari's design here and give her a new transformation. Instead she gets angry eyes and hair. She's still wearing that stupid t shirt and jeans with the midriff for no reason. These guys are on something.

Incecticyder said:
Dude is horny. Do not look deeper for the depth is ankle level. Honestly, if you are going to make her wear a skimpy outfit, make it look practical and cool. Those outfits look good if you are posing for a mangazine but they are hard to draw for action. Not to mention the hairstyles. You can have her be hot and easier to draw. It might help with time management and thus allow more effort to go into the writing. Also, Shonen Jump is mainly targeted at hormonal teenage boys. Of course they will so sexy girls of that age.
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That's been a running theme all manga, the outfits are causing problems. They aren't practical and they aren't easy to draw. That's why he's had to draw everyone in these heavy coats/cloaks so they can make dynamic movement. Boruto's hair has noticeably been off model across chapters. Some have Sarada looking like a man. The art really suffered in these early chapters due to their complexity. It's resulted in them having to do some strange paneling and lots of close up shots of people's faces. This most recent chapter was the exception but I really suspect Kishimoto drew it instead of Ikemoto.

Honestly, the early chapters of the original Boruto were the worst offenders. The anime staff really did NOT like Sarada's new design that Ikemoto made. So much so they completely re-designed her for the anime.

Incecticyder said:
Also, wasn't the Cloud Village the one with actual hip-hop aesthetic? Couldn't we give each village their own culture? They had that in Naruto.
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There are no other villages in Boruto. None of them have made an appearance. They've barely even been mentioned.
 
Party Hat Wurmple said:
These designs are horrible. They had a chance to completely redo Himawari's design here and give her a new transformation. Instead she gets angry eyes and hair. She's still wearing that stupid t shirt and jeans with the midriff for no reason. These guys are on something.
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Party Hat Wurmple said:
That's been a running theme all manga, the outfits are causing problems. They aren't practical and they aren't easy to draw. That's why he's had to draw everyone in these heavy coats/cloaks so they can make dynamic movement. Boruto's hair has noticeably been off model across chapters. Some have Sarada looking like a man. The art really suffered in these early chapters due to their complexity. It's resulted in them having to do some strange paneling and lots of close up shots of people's faces. This most recent chapter was the exception but I really suspect Kishimoto drew it instead of Ikemoto.

Honestly, the early chapters of the original Boruto were the worst offenders. The anime staff really did NOT like Sarada's new design that Ikemoto made. So much so they completely re-designed her for the anime.
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Himawari 's design is not skimpier than what girls were wearing back when I was her age. Not to mention she is the age boys that just started reading Shonen Jump would be so catering to them is not a bad idea. In fact, her outfit is almost nostalgic for that era. However, that is something I have a problem with. It looks like an outfit from our world and not the world of Naruto. That breaks immersion for me. I understand that the world has changed between Naruto and Boruto but this feels like Ikemoto designs outfits that appeal to him while disregarding what fashion is like in that world. It is a world in which kids are expected to fight from a young age so most people wear practical for movement clothes unless they are actual civilians. Sarada 's design is especially horrible as it looks like it takes her hours to get ready. Ikemoto has to find a balance between what he likes and what he can actually draw repeatedly in dynamic poses.

Party Hat Wurmple said:
There are no other villages in Boruto. None of them have made an appearance. They've barely even been mentioned.
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When I say that Naruto/Boruto punishes those who pay attention to the story, this is what I mean. If you look for something deeper that what is shown, you get disappontment.
 
Hima is fine, sarada just looks out of place from a purely anime POV. I'm no prude - its just weird considering i've never seen a single char in the show tarted out like a street whore. But I guess she would have daddy issues.
 
Honestly, the worst thing about this chapter is how they forgot the Tailed Beast Cloaks. Naruto used Cloak ver.2 in order to unleash his first bomb but Himawari just did it without even ver. 1. Also, we have a Gentle Fist specialist with a Byakugan like Himawari and we have her throw a bomb and get her ass kicked in taijutsu just like that? Himawari is supposed to be a Taijutsu prodigy.
 
Incecticyder said:
Honestly, the worst thing about this chapter is how they forgot the Tailed Beast Cloaks. Naruto used Cloak ver.2 in order to unleash his first bomb but Himawari just did it without even ver. 1. Also, we have a Gentle Fist specialist with a Byakugan like Himawari and we have her throw a bomb and get her ass kicked in taijutsu just like that? Himawari is supposed to be a Taijutsu prodigy.
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That's already so common in manga and anime it's not even remotely funny.

This person is supposedly the God to end all Gods!

Gets taken out by a paper airplane.

Not even a Jutsu or paper bomb. Just a regular old paper airplane.

That's it. *sigh*
 
Incecticyder said:
It looks like an outfit from our world and not the world of Naruto.
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Tbf you can sorta make that argument about Naruto's outfit too. The part 1 design was looked at least somewhat unique with the huge collar and flashier design, but I've always thought that his shippuden outfit looks like a joggging outfit he got from a thrift store. He should've just kept the cloak from the Pain fight.

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RybenZ999 said:
Tbf you can sorta make that argument about Naruto's outfit too. The part 1 design was looked at least somewhat unique with the huge collar and flashier design, but I've always thought that his shippuden outfit looks like a joggging outfit he got from a thrift store. He should've just kept the cloak from the Pain fight.

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Not really, you cannot make that arguement. The outfits Naruto wore look like tracksuits because that is exactly what they were. Made for movement as you never knew when you would have to start chasing someone or running away.

Sarada 's and Himawari 's outfits are made for walking, not running.
 
RybenZ999 said:
Tbf you can sorta make that argument about Naruto's outfit too. The part 1 design was looked at least somewhat unique with the huge collar and flashier design, but I've always thought that his shippuden outfit looks like a joggging outfit he got from a thrift store. He should've just kept the cloak from the Pain fight.
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There's something to be said about character design honestly. In terms of manga, Kubo set the gold standard. It's no mistake that ever since Bleach, so many other manga have adopted uniformed factions for their main cast. That wasn't done for highlighted characters prior to this necessarily. Not to the degree that Bleach, Attack on Titan, and various others have. Having a uniform that's easily copy and pasted for everyone, not just fodder, really makes it easy for drawing and allows focus on other things.

The golden rule of Keep It Simple, Stupid goes double for character design. In this, Boruto flat out fails. Everyone in Boruto has needlessly stupid character designs with heavy accessories and details. It's been a constant thorn in Ikemoto's side all series. He wants these K Pop Idol like designs and he just can't consistently draw them. None of the outfits are on model. He's had to cover them in cloaks and coats so he can just draw blobs with lines during combat, but even this isn't enough. Accessories constantly go missing, things that aren't there before are added, it's fucking nightmare. Sure, the ninja world has changed but not so much that fashion is completely different.
 
Party Hat Wurmple said:
There's something to be said about character design honestly. In terms of manga, Kubo set the gold standard. It's no mistake that ever since Bleach, so many other manga have adopted uniformed factions for their main cast. That wasn't done for highlighted characters prior to this necessarily. Not to the degree that Bleach, Attack on Titan, and various others have. Having a uniform that's easily copy and pasted for everyone, not just fodder, really makes it easy for drawing and allows focus on other things.

The golden rule of Keep It Simple, Stupid goes double for character design. In this, Boruto flat out fails. Everyone in Boruto has needlessly stupid character designs with heavy accessories and details. It's been a constant thorn in Ikemoto's side all series. He wants these K Pop Idol like designs and he just can't consistently draw them. None of the outfits are on model. He's had to cover them in cloaks and coats so he can just draw blobs with lines during combat, but even this isn't enough. Accessories constantly go missing, things that aren't there before are added, it's fucking nightmare. Sure, the ninja world has changed but not so much that fashion is completely different.
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That is not all. The designs do not work from a character standpoint either. In the Chunin Exam, Sakura cut her hair because they got in her way as that other girl was pulling them. Sarada has a far more complicated hairstyle that is hard to mantain. Where is the practicality? She is an experienced ninja at this point. What the hell?

The outfits and poses remind me of Jojo rather than Naruto too. Jojo characters rarely fight with their bodies nowadays so those designs are easier to pull of. Ikemoto was thrown in with the sharks and he never learned to swim. Before every character design he should ask himself if he can draw that outfit in action and wether he will remember all the accessories he puts on his characters. This is why Tite Kubo and other mangaka known for their clothing designs keep things simple unleash the situation calls for it like in double page color spreads or covers. Kishimoto was good at this, he should have mentored Ikemoto better.
 
Gorillion others said:
I sometimes feel like Kishimoto deserves a good kick in the nuts. Or an umbrella to the face.
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What they both need is a mentor to teach them Action Comics 101. Easy to understand and draw moves and abilities for the main cast, easy to draw designs for the combatants etc etc. And rope in some Storytelling 101 too. Retcons only when necessary and they must be made to fit in with the established story, themes that tie the narrative together, characters getting consistent characterisation, well thought out events etc etc. Kishimoto is like he forgot half the things he knew as an mangaka between Naruto and Naruto Shippuden only to forget the rest by Boruto. Ikemoto is like he never learned anything in the first place but he still somehow managed to forget things he never knew.
 
I find it odd how they had Shikamaru and Naruto grow so close as late teens and adults, considering he didn't even like Naruto much in part 1. Rock Lee would've made sense, since he seemed to be the first guy other than Naruto's teammates to actually acknowledge him. He was the one rooting for him in the Chunin exams after all.
 
RybenZ999 said:
I find it odd how they had Shikamaru and Naruto grow so close as late teens and adults, considering he didn't even like Naruto much in part 1. Rock Lee would've made sense, since he seemed to be the first guy other than Naruto's teammates to actually acknowledge him. He was the one rooting for him in the Chunin exams after all.
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A lot of the side non-canonical stuff often features Shikamaru and Chouji as being some of the first friends Naruto had as a child. Even Kiba is spliced in there every now and again as the gang of boiz that would that cause trouble. Which when juxtaposed against it, makes the swing set scene and the "everyone hates Naruto" scenes absolutely fucking hilarious. It'd be less egregious if Kishimoto didn't rely so heavily on non canon material though to be "character development".
 
Party Hat Wurmple said:
A lot of the side non-canonical stuff often features Shikamaru and Chouji as being some of the first friends Naruto had as a child. Even Kiba is spliced in there every now and again as the gang of boiz that would that cause trouble. Which when juxtaposed against it, makes the swing set scene and the "everyone hates Naruto" scenes absolutely fucking hilarious. It'd be less egregious if Kishimoto didn't rely so heavily on non canon material though to be "character development".
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Because he was heavily reliant on Naruto having a sad backstory and being lonely.
 
Gorillion others said:
He pretty much came up with Minato halfway into the story. Just Minato.

Oh, and Kushina, but whatever...
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I doubt that was entirely last minute. I'm sure he had neglected orphan nobody is actually the dead hero's son as an idea from the beginning, he just didn't plan out any of the details of how that would work.

Kushina was entirely last minute thing that probably only came up after his editor asked about Naruto's mom.
 
I was reading another manga where the author was not careful with characterisation and ended up making his characters into unsympathetic hypocrites by accident leading to the manga being axed. I think that Naruto only got away with it because it took until the time-skip to start destroying its characterisation to a great degree. Kishimoto put a lot more though into Naruto before the time-skip but he did start slipping up way more as time went on and it snowballed.
 
Incecticyder said:
I was reading another manga where the author was not careful with characterisation and ended up making his characters into unsympathetic hypocrites by accident leading to the manga being axed. I think that Naruto only got away with it because it took until the time-skip to start destroying its characterisation to a great degree. Kishimoto put a lot more though into Naruto before the time-skip but he did start slipping up way more as time went on and it snowballed.
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Loss of motivation. Lousy editor. Lousy assistant. There could be any number of reason, though the most likely is that he's hopped up on his own farts.
 
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