Naruto/Boruto Griefing Thread

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That's fucking pathetic. That's especially pathetic when you consider it's at least partially created by one of the most famous mangaka on the planet. TBV is so bad it's the whole reason I made this thread. There's no defending it.
You know it's bad that when you look at the numbers back in Japan, it's especially not doing well in sales. We got another Samurai 8 in our hands, though I speculate it'll be a while before Jump either can't hold on to it, or Kishimoto somehow pulls off a hail mary (which he won't) and manages to just barely keep his spot afloat.
 
You know it's bad that when you look at the numbers back in Japan, it's especially not doing well in sales. We got another Samurai 8 in our hands, though I speculate it'll be a while before Jump either can't hold on to it, or Kishimoto somehow pulls off a hail mary (which he won't) and manages to just barely keep his spot afloat.
The only demographic it does well in is Western Narutard 13 year olds. They're the only ones who buy any of this crap. I'm convinced there's a legit concentrated effort or censor negative opinions of it online. If you look up "Boruto sucks", all you get it is old videos.
 
And then, there is the new Ransengan. It works with the chakra (though not with nature chakra which has been established as the only chakra the planet produces; yet another retcon!) and rotation of the earth, it says. Techno-babble gallore, I say.

Here is how I would make it work: It is a compination of Genjutsu, Gentle Fist (the Jogan is a better Byakugan, afterall) and Ransegan. It shoves the rotating chakra into the enemy causing both physical damage and complete disorientation as well as loss of balance. The Gentle Fist component causes damage to the chakra network which prevents the Genjutsu effects from being dispelled without extreme difficulty. Additional strikes aggravate these effects.

THERE! No technobabble, no retcons, no bullshit! It uses the techniques of both parents as components and works with established lore.
 
And then, there is the new Ransengan. It works with the chakra (though not with nature chakra which has been established as the only chakra the planet produces; yet another retcon!) and rotation of the earth, it says. Techno-babble gallore, I say.

Here is how I would make it work: It is a compination of Genjutsu, Gentle Fist (the Jogan is a better Byakugan, afterall) and Ransegan. It shoves the rotating chakra into the enemy causing both physical damage and complete disorientation as well as loss of balance. The Gentle Fist component causes damage to the chakra network which prevents the Genjutsu effects from being dispelled without extreme difficulty. Additional strikes aggravate these effects.

THERE! No technobabble, no retcons, no bullshit! It uses the techniques of both parents as components and works with established lore.
They're really trying to avoid using outright ki blasts.
 
Here is how I would make it work: It is a compination of Genjutsu, Gentle Fist (the Jogan is a better Byakugan, afterall) and Ransegan. It shoves the rotating chakra into the enemy causing both physical damage and complete disorientation as well as loss of balance. The Gentle Fist component causes damage to the chakra network which prevents the Genjutsu effects from being dispelled without extreme difficulty. Additional strikes aggravate these effects.
The Jogan does not exist in the manga. That is an anime only creation. Rasengan Uzuhiko is the most retarded move ever. Spectacle wise all it does is cause energy around Boruto's hand. It then SOMEHOW uses the planets chakra to rotate them with the planets rotation? In reality, all it does is make stumble like a drunkard for a bit after he gets knocked back maybe 3ft. It's absolutely visually pathetic. This wouldn't make me so mad if people didn't act like this is "THE MOST BROKEN OP MOVE EVAR!!!! BORUTO BEATS SUPERMAN!!! BORUTO IS PLANETARY!!!"

The simps for this garbage are the biggest tards I've ever seen.
 
The Jogan does not exist in the manga.
Did he not use it at the flashforward that was at Boruto: Naruto the Next Generation? Right after he confronted Kawaki and he was like: "You will end up like Naruto and Sasuke"?

Rasengan Uzuhiko is the most retarded move ever. Spectacle wise all it does is cause energy around Boruto's hand. It then SOMEHOW uses the planets chakra to rotate them with the planets rotation? In reality, all it does is make stumble like a drunkard for a bit after he gets knocked back maybe 3ft. It's absolutely visually pathetic. This wouldn't make me so mad if people didn't act like this is "THE MOST BROKEN OP MOVE EVAR!!!! BORUTO BEATS SUPERMAN!!! BORUTO IS PLANETARY!!!"
I know it is stupid, which is why I gave my own version that does not break lore and would actually be something. Honestly, a less visually impressive Rasengan makes sense for Boruto, his most famous Rasengan is the Vanishing Rasengan, afterall. Plus, it fits a traditional ninja more especially since Boruto wants to be more Black Ops like Sasuke. The point is that it does not make sense with the established lore. The planet creates Nature Chakra which should make Rasengan Uzuhiko a Sage Art.
 
Did he not use it at the flashforward that was at Boruto: Naruto the Next Generation? Right after he confronted Kawaki and he was like: "You will end up like Naruto and Sasuke"?
Maybe, but if it was it hasn't been touched on yet. Boruto has no Jogan Eye in the manga as of right now. It hasn't been even mentioned as a concept. Unless I'm just forgetting, which is entirely possible. It certainly has never come up. Boruto doesn't really have any special powers. He's Naruto except with Karma and no Kurama and worse Shadow Clones and lightning. Currently, he's pretty much Hebi Sasuke with flying raijin.

The anime is different in tiny ways. Baryon Mode being the perfect example. In the manga, there was no mistaking that Baryon Mode was a one time cop-out for Jigen. In the anime, Baryon Mode is an actual beneficial transformation. In the manga, it's borderline useless outside of this one specific scenario. Naruto can't make excessive movements, so no flipping or fancy jumps, no jutsu, and it's Life Drain works on a 20:1 to scale, where if Jigen didn't have a limited lifespan, the life drain wouldn't ever be a factor.

Honestly, a less visually impressive Rasengan makes sense for Boruto, his most famous Rasengan is the Vanishing Rasengan, afterall.
Yeah that's another thing...Who's bright idea was a Vanishing Rasengan in a manga that's a visual art form?
 
I think one of the things that help me to still look fondly on Naruto is it it having a conclusive good ending.

With shonen you either have no endings, dark/tragic endings or very partial endings not committing to most characters relationships because harems. Then there's shit like Bleach with an incredibly self centred ending where Ichigo fucks his sisters.
 
I think one of the things that help me to still look fondly on Naruto is it it having a conclusive good ending.

With shonen you either have no endings, dark/tragic endings or very partial endings not committing to most characters relationships because harems. Then there's shit like Bleach with an incredibly self centred ending where Ichigo fucks his sisters.
The Bleach ending was rushed because Kubo rushed it for he had been sick and could not draw without intense pain.
 
With shonen you either have no endings, dark/tragic endings or very partial endings not committing to most characters relationships because harems. Then there's shit like Bleach with an incredibly self centred ending where Ichigo fucks his sisters.
Ichigo never fucks his sisters...Besides, as said above the ending was rushed for a lot of reasons. Kubo got a second chance with the anime to fix it. However, since then Bleach has had other sequel material, notably Can't Fear Your Own World and the Hell Chapter which are both not just good, they're great. Better than ANYTHING Kishimoto has made in the past few years since Naruto ended.

Naruto's ending wasn't that clean either. They just had a Sasuke Vs. Naruto sequel fight as a series definitive through-line for when it was over. Everything up until then is a mess though. We don't even get a transition arc or anything. They just stop Kaguya and save the world. After which Sasuke just goes "Hey thanks for the God powers Hagoromo, I'm going to destroy the world now. Go fuck yourself". And Sage of Six Paths pretty much just throws his hands up is like "Well my work here is done, good luck Naruto". Something something Shadow Hokage, something something Narutoooo!!!!! Sasgay!!!!!! Series over. Sure the fight is good, but it was always going to be. It's exactly what everyone expected. So I guess to that end you could call it successful.

But to that, Bleach had a pretty damn good final battle. It's not long, but it's something different. I don't think that at the start of the TYBW anyone predicted
the final battle would boil down to Aizen and Ichigo vs. Ywach. Sure, it's only a handful of chapters but it's creative and something we've never really seen in the series before. We can cry about the McGuffin Arrow all we want, but the reality is that Ywach was only going to be defeated with some bs like that. At least the arrow was in a sense, a form of poetic revenge for all the Quincy that Ywach has harvested over the years. Plus, it only works because of Haschwalth pulling a critical betrayal when it mattered the most.
In addition, what ultimately becomes of Ywach in CFYOW is honestly one of the darkest and most ironically justified things that could've ever happened to a villain like him. His eternal punishment is very fittingly cruel.
 
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In addition, what ultimately becomes of Ywach in CFYOW is honestly one of the darkest and most ironically justified things that could've ever happened to a villain like him. His eternal punishment is very fittingly cruel.
Was Bleach's comeback really that good? Not perfect, but adequate?
 
Was Bleach's comeback really that good? Not perfect, but adequate?
I'd say so. The thing is Kubo always wanted the Gotei 13 to be this kind of evil organization that while they are inherently good, they have a bit amorality to them and are flat out evil when you peak behind the curtain. He never got this across over Bleach's original run. Now that he's off the chain, he gets this across very well. Hell, the guy goes full Lovecraft with some of these things.

It starts in the TYBW with the Soul King. A very common theme moving forward is the Gotei 13 constantly being the architects of their own destruction. The secrets they hid in the past wind up causing serious problems in the present. They're constantly paying for the past and not necessarily aware of why they do the things they do.

When you put them side by side, the Hell Chapter is 70-80 pages and tells an infinitely more interesting story with serious ramifications for their respective MC than Boruto ever told. Although maybe I'm just biased because I've read over 400 pages of TBV and NOTHING interesting has happened.
 
In addition, what ultimately becomes of Ywach in CFYOW is honestly one of the darkest and most ironically justified things that could've ever happened to a villain like him. His eternal punishment is very fittingly cruel.
There are caviats to that:

Yhwach needs to kill in order to live. If he did not kill, he would be reduced to a helpless state. Also, he feels all the pain off those he absorbs, which fuels him on his crusade. Every day he becomes more determined to end death as a concept so that no one has to experience loss again. The Soul Reapers perpetuate death and suffering in order to mantain control over the universe by making it so that no one has enough power or influence to dethrone the leaders such as the Noble Clans and Squad 0. Anyone who becomes powerful enough, instead of being allowed to reincarnate and potentially amash more power, is cast down to Hell. Ichibei and Squad 0 possess the power of ressurection and thus are exempt from their own cruel laws. Yhwach wanted to bring back the original version of the universe in which life and death were one and the same, partially to stop needing to absorb souls, partially because he believed that this version of the universe is crueler than the original as while even then, humans and souls were being terrorised by hollows, at least no one died.

However, neither version of the universe was particularly pleasant and both sides refuse to see each other's perspective. Both versions of the universe have a severe problem with stagnation and suffering. The original version still had hollows that absorbed people into their beings and if you were in a bad place, you pretty much stayed there as there were others who came earlier and since no one could die, they stayed in power. The current version allows death and rebirth thus there are ways to start anew if your current living situation sucks but should you get powerful enough to upset the status quo, you get cast out to Hell. Neither side is right and nor wrong. They just refuse to compromise because both want to be sitting on the throne. Ywhach killed people with out much thought because he had become desensetised by that point and draw the ire of the two people who could defeat him even at his strongest. Ichigo (who could cut him into pieces even with 1/3 of his power) and Uryu (who was immune to all of Ywhach 's powers). Ichibei on the other hand, in order to mantain power, threw everyone who could threaten him and his co-conspirators into Hell, filling it up with powerful people upset at the status quo. Now the Gates of Hell have sprung open from the overspill and a lot will be out for Ichibei 's blood.

Was Bleach's comeback really that good? Not perfect, but adequate?
It was a combination of things: The anime is really, really good. It expands on quite a few things and elaborates on a few more. But that is not all! The artwork is excellent! There are episodes you could take any frame and turn it into a wallpaper and others were the animation is top notch. And many that are both!

But what helped the most is the community: Fans that were on Youtube made Bleach content and others were inspired to follow suit. Channels that had been making Bleach content for years saw huge increase in their views because people wanted to know more about the universe, the characters and themes. Many picked the story up for the first time and were surprised to see the literary DNA of their favourite stories in there. The fans who started reading manga with JJK, MHA, BC, DS and CM discovered the series that served as inspiration to their favourite manga. Youtube was filled with new and old fans talking, reacting, reviewing and theorising which created a cascade of content and praise.

That and Kubo is still active in the community keeping it alive and thriving by answering questions on Klub Outside.
 
There are caviats to that
Everything you say there though is background story only long series like Bleach and Naruto are able to tell. I maintain that Bleach got better after Aizen. A lot of people say that's where it should've ended, but the Lost Agent Arc when you read it on release, tried to do something unique. Kubo didn't try to follow up Aizen, he couldn't, and scaled down. They really tried to bait and switch us with Ichigo's powers and new form. There was a lot of promotional material around it, only to return to form. I do think it was intentional and Kubo was trying to keep his audience interested by doing a rug pull.

To keep from going off topic too far, I just wish Naruto did something similar after it ended. We could've gotten a lot more than what we ultimately got. They had a chance to scale down the story and drag things back. It could've become something entirely different. Instead, Boruto was pretty much rushed out the gate right on release. There was promo for Boruto material IMMEDIATELY after Naruto's final chapter. There was a tie-in lead chapter to the movie, etc. etc. Boruto probably could've been good if they had taken some time to make it. We didn't get scaling back or down and trying to explore dynamic situations, Kishi/Ike scaled fucking UP. They tried to scale parallel to the chakra system with Karma but it ultimately didn't work. Instead they nerfed Naruto and Sasuke to make up for it. And then ultimately wrote them out of the story, in the most humiliating ways possible.

I had mercy on the original Boruto manga because I knew how much of a rushed mess this series was. They were flying by the seat of their pants and sometimes they landed a few neat ideas. Now the kid gloves are off. TBV had an entire year to straighten this story out and fix these critical problems. Instead they made everything about that franchise worse. They ruined the characters, ruined their own story, clung to a bad plot line only to drop it later and we're scrambling again at 10 chapters in to salvage this manga. Any other series would've been cancelled by Shounen Jump. The art isn't there. The story isn't there. The anime is going to have to basically rewrite things to make sense, (again) and it's just a mess. It may not be the absolute worst manga I've ever read, but it's a strong fucking contender and easily the most hateable. Watching Bleach, which is what was considered the worst of the Big 3 rise above it after it's ending, is pretty damn jarring.
 
Everything you say there though is background story only long series like Bleach and Naruto are able to tell. I maintain that Bleach got better after Aizen. A lot of people say that's where it should've ended, but the Lost Agent Arc when you read it on release, tried to do something unique. Kubo didn't try to follow up Aizen, he couldn't, and scaled down. They really tried to bait and switch us with Ichigo's powers and new form. There was a lot of promotional material around it, only to return to form. I do think it was intentional and Kubo was trying to keep his audience interested by doing a rug pull.
My arguement was that Yhwach is no more or less evil than Ichibei as both were evil and thus no matter who won in the end, evil would triumph.

To keep from going off topic too far, I just wish Naruto did something similar after it ended. We could've gotten a lot more than what we ultimately got. They had a chance to scale down the story and drag things back. It could've become something entirely different. Instead, Boruto was pretty much rushed out the gate right on release. There was promo for Boruto material IMMEDIATELY after Naruto's final chapter. There was a tie-in lead chapter to the movie, etc. etc. Boruto probably could've been good if they had taken some time to make it. We didn't get scaling back or down and trying to explore dynamic situations, Kishi/Ike scaled fucking UP. They tried to scale parallel to the chakra system with Karma but it ultimately didn't work. Instead they nerfed Naruto and Sasuke to make up for it. And then ultimately wrote them out of the story, in the most humiliating ways possible.
Indeed, but that is not the main problem. The combat system had become identical to Dragon Ball 's. Big energy blasts being the end all be all with weapons and elements that do not fit that became obsolete. Bleach and One Piece had nearly every character being importand in the fights with a variety of different abilities that made the fights unique and showcased that attack power is not everything. In Naruto, however, only four mattered in the end and those were the ones whose skill was "hits hard". A ton of interesting characters got wasted. The Konoha 12 are mostly wasted and the future Kage did not get to show the skills that would earn them their positions.

I had mercy on the original Boruto manga because I knew how much of a rushed mess this series was. They were flying by the seat of their pants and sometimes they landed a few neat ideas. Now the kid gloves are off. TBV had an entire year to straighten this story out and fix these critical problems. Instead they made everything about that franchise worse. They ruined the characters, ruined their own story, clung to a bad plot line only to drop it later and we're scrambling again at 10 chapters in to salvage this manga. Any other series would've been cancelled by Shounen Jump. The art isn't there. The story isn't there. The anime is going to have to basically rewrite things to make sense, (again) and it's just a mess. It may not be the absolute worst manga I've ever read, but it's a strong fucking contender and easily the most hateable. Watching Bleach, which is what was considered the worst of the Big 3 rise above it after it's ending, is pretty damn jarring.
Kishi has gotten to comfortable throwing in whatever idea he gets on his head regardless for what it does to the continuity. Omnipotense was used as a panacea to all plot issues but it proved to be the opposite. A simple memory alteration jutsu would have worked just as well and caused less issues. By throwing every idea that came to mind without thought as to how it would affect the story or how it fits the world, the manga 's plot became a tangled mess that gets worse the more one tries to fix things. And I have to ask: where was Ike in all this? Did he not see the problems? Did he see them and Kishi refused to listen or to rewrite until it was to late? Or was he a yesman and accepted everything as gospel from the divine?
 
I'd say so. The thing is Kubo always wanted the Gotei 13 to be this kind of evil organization that while they are inherently good, they have a bit amorality to them and are flat out evil when you peak behind the curtain. He never got this across over Bleach's original run. Now that he's off the chain, he gets this across very well. Hell, the guy goes full Lovecraft with some of these things.

It starts in the TYBW with the Soul King. A very common theme moving forward is the Gotei 13 constantly being the architects of their own destruction. The secrets they hid in the past wind up causing serious problems in the present. They're constantly paying for the past and not necessarily aware of why they do the things they do.

When you put them side by side, the Hell Chapter is 70-80 pages and tells an infinitely more interesting story with serious ramifications for their respective MC than Boruto ever told. Although maybe I'm just biased because I've read over 400 pages of TBV and NOTHING interesting has happened.
If you squint just a little, Boruto is basically part 1 Naruto when he was still a pariah. When you actually look past the glitz and glam, TBV is pretty much a very soft reboot of Kishi's "masterpiece".
 
If you squint just a little, Boruto is basically part 1 Naruto when he was still a pariah. When you actually look past the glitz and glam, TBV is pretty much a very soft reboot of Kishi's "masterpiece".
That's why it sucks. He and Ikemoto have as little creativity as filler writers and just keep repeating the same story over and over again. It had already become obnoxious by the Kage Summit and by this point it's so insufferable that I have no idea why anyone would bother reading this thing.
 
That's why it sucks. He and Ikemoto have as little creativity as filler writers and just keep repeating the same story over and over again. It had already become obnoxious by the Kage Summit and by this point it's so insufferable that I have no idea why anyone would bother reading this thing.
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Not necessarily a bad thing. Being an easy access point is good. The problem is when the series gets less deep as you dive in. It stops rewarding reading into the story and themes and starts punishing those paying attention.
 
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