Mulan (2020) - Chink War Movie
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It might be Corona this time.
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The best outcome would be pushing the movie's release date back.
Coronavirus Outbreak Could Force Disney’s ‘Mulan’ Out of China Entirely
This could indicate a a worst-case-scenario for the Mouse House.observer.com
It's dead. Flat out dead. If China isn't seeing it, then there's no chance. They cut out too much of the stuff people remember from the original that the western audience won't see it. Corona-chan will now make The Rat bleed.
This shit is gonna BOMB in America, man. It'd better fucking bomb and people better not see it out of morbid curiosity either.
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Purposely give them Corona virus if they do.
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Or a cameo from Harvey Weinstein?
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I don’t think it’s interesting enough for morbid curiosity. They haven’t fucked up in an interesting or entertaining way, they’ve just made a bland film.
TBH, even without coronavirus, the Chinese don’t seem to much care for Western-made movies about China. Look at The Great Wall.
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Hey, so I thought this movie was being co-produced by China? I know the director's a woman from New Zealand, but I thought there were some Chinese executives involved to make sure it's accurate to the culture? Honestly makes the coronavirus all that more fulfilling.
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About that.
When they are going to release it the population may be to paranoid and/or broke enough not to go see it.
Also, when it eventually releases it will be well after the rest of the world, so china will already do a china and flood the market with bootleg DVDs from other regions, even if it's not on DVD yet. They will jump on the chance to distribute a movie that is not released in the country ASAP to get maximum chin bucks.
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Just watched the trailer for this. Didn't look awful other than it was dubbed. Or was it actually done in American and they'll dub it for China?
Anyway, if I can find a non-dubbed version either way I might give it a try. I don't really get the levels of hate in this thread for it. Are you all rabid Disney fans on KF, then? How is there so much salt here?
Eh, I'm sure there are Chinese people with good taste who want something non-Chinese. If you think Western films suffer from trying to target everybody including the lowest common denominator that's nothing to Chinese films. It's not a coincidence that the first mainstream Wuxia success in the West was directed by a Chinese person who had studied a lot of Western film (Ang Lee, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon). For one, it wasn't filled with the misogynistic humour that is pervasive through Chinese films and actually had some subtlety. I've no doubt there are native Chinese films that have more nuanced story and pacing. I mean, I'd hate it if all British films known abroad were Carry On movies, so don't read my sweeping statement as me thinking it's an absolute. But when I've watched Chinese movies, no matter how bonkers or great they are (Shaolin Soccer is crazy good), mass-market movies in China have major problems to Western eyes. Keep in mind this is a country where The Crying Game was released under the title Oh, no! My Girlfriend has a Penis!
There's a tradition of Chinese warrior women in the media and legends. (Not without basis imo having dated a Chinese woman who had a will of fucking iron). I don't think the above is true. And there have been Chinese versions of the Mulan story as you would expect.
Also, I lost the post but someone was talking about the implausibility of a woman soldier. My personal experiences with Chinese women aside, it's not implausible. An army comprised of women, sure - highly unlikely. An individual woman as a soldier, totally fine. And that woman being good enough to rise through the ranks and be a leader? Also fine. They're not waging war by wrestling. They're using weapons - pole-arms and swords and bows. A woman is going to typically be at a disadvantage at archery but not so much with the swordplay. Skill and attitude are going to make a lot more difference in a swordfight than size and strength. If you don't believe me, HEMAA sword competitions are one of the few sports where women and men compete equally with each other (troons like Rachel McKinnon not withstanding). Mulan's story is that her father was a war hero and martial arts expert. He taught her swordsmanship. She's already going to be starting leagues ahead of the average press-ganged Chinese recruit female or not. Her standing out amongst them as a one they look to for guidance and becoming popular isn't just possible, it would be likely. Especially as being a woman - even while disguised - she's on some level going to be outside the normal competitiveness and jostling. She simply will not interact that way. Men in a lot of societies historically considered women to be lesser and that they should stick to their place. Yet at the same time, a woman that does reach high position flips from being someone to be subjugated and bedded to someone to be adored. Queen Elizabeth, Joan of Arc, Bodicea, Kahina, That's off the top of my head. They become sacred for want of a better word. Mulan fits right in to that tradition.
Anyway, if I can find a non-dubbed version either way I might give it a try. I don't really get the levels of hate in this thread for it. Are you all rabid Disney fans on KF, then? How is there so much salt here?
Eh, I'm sure there are Chinese people with good taste who want something non-Chinese. If you think Western films suffer from trying to target everybody including the lowest common denominator that's nothing to Chinese films. It's not a coincidence that the first mainstream Wuxia success in the West was directed by a Chinese person who had studied a lot of Western film (Ang Lee, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon). For one, it wasn't filled with the misogynistic humour that is pervasive through Chinese films and actually had some subtlety. I've no doubt there are native Chinese films that have more nuanced story and pacing. I mean, I'd hate it if all British films known abroad were Carry On movies, so don't read my sweeping statement as me thinking it's an absolute. But when I've watched Chinese movies, no matter how bonkers or great they are (Shaolin Soccer is crazy good), mass-market movies in China have major problems to Western eyes. Keep in mind this is a country where The Crying Game was released under the title Oh, no! My Girlfriend has a Penis!
There's a tradition of Chinese warrior women in the media and legends. (Not without basis imo having dated a Chinese woman who had a will of fucking iron). I don't think the above is true. And there have been Chinese versions of the Mulan story as you would expect.
Also, I lost the post but someone was talking about the implausibility of a woman soldier. My personal experiences with Chinese women aside, it's not implausible. An army comprised of women, sure - highly unlikely. An individual woman as a soldier, totally fine. And that woman being good enough to rise through the ranks and be a leader? Also fine. They're not waging war by wrestling. They're using weapons - pole-arms and swords and bows. A woman is going to typically be at a disadvantage at archery but not so much with the swordplay. Skill and attitude are going to make a lot more difference in a swordfight than size and strength. If you don't believe me, HEMAA sword competitions are one of the few sports where women and men compete equally with each other (troons like Rachel McKinnon not withstanding). Mulan's story is that her father was a war hero and martial arts expert. He taught her swordsmanship. She's already going to be starting leagues ahead of the average press-ganged Chinese recruit female or not. Her standing out amongst them as a one they look to for guidance and becoming popular isn't just possible, it would be likely. Especially as being a woman - even while disguised - she's on some level going to be outside the normal competitiveness and jostling. She simply will not interact that way. Men in a lot of societies historically considered women to be lesser and that they should stick to their place. Yet at the same time, a woman that does reach high position flips from being someone to be subjugated and bedded to someone to be adored. Queen Elizabeth, Joan of Arc, Bodicea, Kahina, That's off the top of my head. They become sacred for want of a better word. Mulan fits right in to that tradition.
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Yeah, no. Height and weight advantages are critical in a real sword fight. Crazy kung fu tricks don't mean shit if the guy has a 6" range advantage on you, or you tire out before he does.
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No, they aren't. Reach, strength and weight are all heavy advantages in wrestling or boxing. They remain an advantage with polearms. By the time you get to swords and knives they matter far less than skill. I.e. a slimmer, lighter person who knows how to use a sword will dominate a larger person who doesn't. And that's the scenario we are talking about - a trained swordsperson amidst people with very little if any formal training. Mulan (daughter of an expert swordsman trained by him from a young age) would take apart less trained men. You are absolutely welcome, if you have no sword training, to go along to a fencing school and tell any of the female fencers there that you can beat them because you have the natural advantages of being a man. Or for an even better parallel because it's closer to the sort of sword-fighting we're talking about, go along to a HEMAA competition and enter it. They have mixed categories - funny I feel I already told you that but it doesn't seem to have sunk in - and see how you place. If you don't know how to use a sword I'd love to see how many women come ahead of you. And no, HEMAA isn't some incomparable sports equivalent where they've removed the advantages of strength and size in some artificial way. It's as close to real bladed fighting as you're going to get, unless you fancy a little walk around some parts of London for some authentic modern day knife-fighting.
The chief reason women didn't fight in historical armies was because women are too valuable to be used as soldiers. So they're not trained as such and not used as such. Also, archery is a big part of warfare through most of history and women with lesser upper body strength average less well with bow and arrow. But primarily it's because women are less expendable. I shouldn't have to explain why.
This plainly conflicts with your preconceptions but is nontheless true. We're not talking Wuxia bullshido craziness. We're talking real sword training. It outweighs brute force by far. That's pretty much the point of a sword - to multiply your force and be dangerous without having to be stronger. Let me explain this in the simplest terms: Once you have reached sufficient strength to move a light, sharp piece of metal quickly and with enough force to cut through someone's flesh, additional force is redundant to minimal in achieving more. And reaching sufficient strength is easily within the realm of the average woman. Skill however, matters all the way up. Skill > Strength in swordfighting once Strength > Modest Amount Required.
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I'm not talking force, I'm talking stamina. You not only need to have the strength to cut through flesh and armor, but also the stamina to be able to repeatedly make those deadly swings and to pull the sword out when it gets lodged in shit without tiring out.
Real swordfighting isn't like HEMAA play fighting. You can do fancy moves in HEMAA because if you get hit you lose a point. If you tried that on a real battlefield, you'd lose your life.
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Wait a sec, are we talking the same HEMMA organization that had to put in a women's division? The reason being they kept on getting their asses kicked in open tourney...
Practically no women place anywhere in HEMMA. With exceptions found in the rapier and longsword.
Both weapons not being battlefield weapons, but dueling ones.
In medieval Europe, foot soldiers typically fought with a large two handed sword(like a claymore) and short sword.
The battles were typically exhausting, brutal, and physically demanding. Usually fighting elbow to elbow and combining sword hacks with punches/elbows.
It wasn't because women were more valuable. It's because they would have been annhiliated physically(with some exceptions I guess)...
Women would have no place in ancient infantry warfare. Not in a phalanx(heavy shield), nor european armored foot.
It's actually archery that is an equalizer. Specifically, the creation of the shortbow. Combining the shortbow while mounted often took most physical disadvantages for women.
That is why the Mongols and Scythians had women soldiers. But, those are calvary centric armies, not infantry centric.
I think one may be confusing that with the english longbow. That required massive tensil strength. Largely because it was used as battlefield artillery...
Practically no women place anywhere in HEMMA. With exceptions found in the rapier and longsword.
Both weapons not being battlefield weapons, but dueling ones.
In medieval Europe, foot soldiers typically fought with a large two handed sword(like a claymore) and short sword.
The battles were typically exhausting, brutal, and physically demanding. Usually fighting elbow to elbow and combining sword hacks with punches/elbows.
It wasn't because women were more valuable. It's because they would have been annhiliated physically(with some exceptions I guess)...
Women would have no place in ancient infantry warfare. Not in a phalanx(heavy shield), nor european armored foot.
It's actually archery that is an equalizer. Specifically, the creation of the shortbow. Combining the shortbow while mounted often took most physical disadvantages for women.
That is why the Mongols and Scythians had women soldiers. But, those are calvary centric armies, not infantry centric.
I think one may be confusing that with the english longbow. That required massive tensil strength. Largely because it was used as battlefield artillery...
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I'll go against the grain here and say that this will do decently in America. Personal anecdote, but a member of a key age bracket that I am familiar with was sorely, sorely disappointed that she could not stream The Little Mermaid on Netflix and absolutely salivating at the announcement of Disney+. I believe this will translate to seeing the movie.
Mulan (the animated one, of course) is a good movie so it has name recognition attached to the nostalgia factor and that will drive people to theaters. Maybe not break-even worldwide considering the mess that China's in right now, but you'll be seeing a lot of women bringing their kids to this thing, and therat trap Disney fandom sustains another victim fan. Even with the songs ripped out by the throat.
Mulan (the animated one, of course) is a good movie so it has name recognition attached to the nostalgia factor and that will drive people to theaters. Maybe not break-even worldwide considering the mess that China's in right now, but you'll be seeing a lot of women bringing their kids to this thing, and the
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The only way to save this movie is to recast the lead character as Will Ferrell playing his character from Talladega Nights.
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İirc biggest movie flop of all time would still be FF: Spirits Within as Squaresoft betted their brand new Hawaiian $500 million studio on it being successful.
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Yet the funniest thing about that is it has its place in animation history for being the standard for realistic CGI in the future, especially in motion-capture. It also scared the shit out of Hollywood actors like Tom Hanks who believed this film was the start of animated actors replacing real ones. Then Hanks later went on to play the Conductor through motion-capture in The Polar Express.
Now what will Mulan do to make a mark in film history? Be one of the biggest flops in recent memory alongside Waterworld? I mean, the animated movie I don't think changed the industry in any way, outside of maybe giving Chris Sanders leeway to work on Lilo & Stitch, although "I'll Make A Man Out of You" changed a generation, I suppose.
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From personal experience in fitness classes, unless you are a biological exception (like Brienne's actress) you are gonna suffer hard in tasks of strength and stamina (when it involves heavy lifting). And those are usually the most important aspects of being a frontline soldier. It's not just the battles, it's also just moving around while carrying heavy armor and weapons.
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And here I thought it was Pluto Nash.