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Septarr said:
Vanilla Skyrim. It really is nothing but horseshit without mods.
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Is vanilla Skyrim overrated or is the mod scene the whole reason Skyrim has remained popular for fifteen years?

I get the feeling that people don't understand the meaning of "overrated" and are just generally bitching about things they don't like. For example, the dude who thinks sports games are overrated because he doesn't understand the appeal of sports and the weirdo who stupidly thinks the point of Zelda: BotW is to collect korok seeds.
 
GTA V and Red Dead Redemption 2. I used to be a filthy Rockstar fanboy, which made me love both of these games at release, but as the years went by and R* became more and more shitty, my fanboyism slowly died and allowed me to see both games with different lenses. They are good games, great even, but they are not groundbreaking masterpieces, specially RDR2 with it's absolutely clunky gameplay.
 
A lot of games in this thread are being harshly judged in hindsight imo. And in manyl cases I'd say they still hold up. Maybe not as AAA releases but as really good indie titles.

Think of Ocarina of Time as a quaint adventure game or FF7 as a slightly subversive narrative experience you could find on Steam. I think that comparison is fairer than comparing either to Red Dead 2, Sekiro or whatever else you like. These two have been mentioned a few times and they are games I'm familiar with so will "defend."

Ocarina of Time and FF7 I think also get viewed more negatively due to legacy. A lot of Zelda games since OoT have just used its formula and motifs again so it's now all "familiar" when at the time these elements really brought the game to life. FF7 is like Star Wars in how it's hard to appreciate the original(s) knowing what the creators and overseers made following original success. I know a lot of people who like FF7 after playing it the first time as a quirky little game with serious moments but still say they're not fans just because they know what the creative team seemingly wanted to do the whole time but simply could not on the ps1.
 
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Boris Blank's glass eye said:
I don't think this is an unpopular opinion. Game journos and the woke crowd gobbled it up, but audiences didn't really like it. Proper audiences, I mean, people who started with Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights.
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Yeah, the general responses here, as well as looking online a bit, have shown me that a good number more people agree with me then I initially thought.

More AWS-8Q Than You said:
To be fair, it was supposed to be some important political event and the game is clearly biased towards you supporting the Empress or queen or whatever she was. But yes, fancy ball in the middle of a Civil War, while the end of the world is rolling in. It's peak "Let them eat cake," even though it clearly wasn't meant to be. I was also sad I couldn't put Cassandra in a fancy dress, but given that they fucked up her face model I guess the pants fit.

Which was another thing that pissed me off, Cassandra's face mesh changes. A modder went and took a look at her model and her head has male head proportions. So either they deliberately gave Cassandra male face and head proportions, or they were lazy and just reused assets. Given that it's Bioware either are possible.

DA's message is always so damn muddled. They clearly want you to sympathize with the Mages, but every damn time the Mages get their feelings hurt they go full "let's summon demons," thus proving why they have to be locked up and watched. Except for Tevinter, who don't seem to have these issues on that scale.
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I think the worst part about it is how freaking straight the game plays it, in-spite of the upcoming apocalypse, the nobility is still acting like everything's fine and the world isn't ending!

Now, like you said. this in and of itself isn't bad as a "let them eat cake" moment. They could have toyed with the concept of that, while the common folk and most of the world is in total chaos and desperately fighting to prevent their destruction, the rich and elite are still partying away without a care in the world and will continue to do so until the forces of evil are at their doorstep and it's too late to do anything to stop their demise. But no, the game treats the ball as super serious business and you're the asshole if you decide not to go along with it, also be sure to make sure the Empress get's together with her lesbian elf waifu (wait, wasn't she going to marry the King of Fereldan in the first game before he died? Ah, who am I kidding, I doubt any of these people played Origins)! The demon summoning portal popping up literally all over the world might as well not exist in that part of the game, even most of your companions go along with it. The idea itself isn't bad, but it just completely lacked self awareness.

Stab You in the Back said:
Is vanilla Skyrim overrated or is the mod scene the whole reason Skyrim has remained popular for fifteen years?

I get the feeling that people don't understand the meaning of "overrated" and are just generally bitching about things they don't like. For example, the dude who thinks sports games are overrated because he doesn't understand the appeal of sports and the weirdo who stupidly thinks the point of Zelda: BotW is to collect korok seeds.
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Let me give you my perspective; I can, right now, download and play through the entirety of Fallout New Vegas, start to finish, without mods and enjoy myself the entire way through (except those Cazadors, fuck those guys). But Skyrim I can maybe play through 5 or so hours of it before feeling compelled to download mods.
 
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Lurkio said:
I think the worst part about it is how freaking straight the game plays it, in-spite of the upcoming apocalypse, the nobility is still acting like everything's fine and the world isn't ending!

Now, like you said. this in and of itself isn't bad as a "let them eat cake" moment. They could have toyed with the concept of that, while the common folk and most of the world is in total chaos and desperately fighting to prevent their destruction, the rich and elite are still party away without a care in the world and will continue to do so until the forces of evil are at their doorstep and it's too late to do anything. But no, the game treats the ball as super serious business and you're the asshole if you decide not to go along with it! The demon summoning portal popping up literally all over the world might as well not exist in that part of the game, even most of your companions go along with it. The idea itself isn't bad, but it just completely lacked self awareness.
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The sad part is that it would have been the perfect thing to just through Liliana and Josephine at. Let your diplomat and spy do the things they're good at instead.

BioWare's been all about wasted potential since after DA:O. You could probably argue that everything they made after Origins, except DA2 and Andromeda, is overrated. ME:2 has good character writing, but the main story is flimsy and the game itself feels very small. You don't notice so much because of the breakneck pace. ME:3's ending is a well known blunder, but the roots of all of it start in ME:2 and the core of it, in my opinion, is when they stopped treating the Reapers as space cthulhu. The funny thing is the critics liked Inquisition, which just shows how shit their taste really is. The first ten hours of the game are some of the worst and that's likely what they played.

DA:2 was just wasted, since there was actually a lot of good there, but it needed more development. The combat was far better than Inquisition's. Andromeda is actually very similar, it's game play is probably the best out of all the Mass Effect games, but the writing and technical issues kill it. It's a damn shame too, it could have been pretty good.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Is vanilla Skyrim overrated or is the mod scene the whole reason Skyrim has remained popular for fifteen years?

I get the feeling that people don't understand the meaning of "overrated" and are just generally bitching about things they don't like. For example, the dude who thinks sports games are overrated because he doesn't understand the appeal of sports and the weirdo who stupidly thinks the point of Zelda: BotW is to collect korok seeds.
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Skyrim was praised to hell and back as one of the greatest games ever made on release day and is still considered that way today.
 
Most overrated: Exaggerating the importance of Skyrim mods and those acting like people playing the game only like it because of mods. Like that is something most people use, require or even know about. According to one source 86% of Skyrim copies sold were for 360/PS3. The numbers are likely similar for Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas. I think Morrowind on the fucking Xbox outsold the PC version and that made Bethesda have a big thunk about the future.
 
You have to remember that the critics reaction to DA:I was very much a performance piece.

It came out at the end of 2014 and was full of gays and trannys, so everyone had to declare it the greatest thing ever or the gamergaters would win.

Samething at the game awards. Everyone knew that Bayo 2 was the best game of the year, but the notion of letting that evil, sexist, male-gaze game win was unthinkable, so again with very few other big releases to choose from that year the one full of gays got the nod.
 
Would say Skyrim based on how many version came out, and the funny part is that you got everything for the other platforms if you owned everything on steam, and you cant even mod it anywhere else, and with any other Bethesda game it is the modding community that saves it.
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
Most overrated: Exaggerating the importance of Skyrim mods and those acting like people playing the game only like it because of mods. Like that is something most people use, require or even know about. According to one source 86% of Skyrim copies sold were for 360/PS3. The numbers are likely similar for Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas. I think Morrowind on the fucking Xbox outsold the PC version and that made Bethesda have a big thunk about the future.
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I'd say the fan patches are mandatory to keep it running smooth and not have any quest shit itself.
The goddamn central questline with its Esbern voice bug made the game uncompletable without using the console or fixing it with a mod, both unavailable on console platforms. I abandoned the game when it was present in my copy of the fucking Legendary Edition, which supposedly fixed every bug present in the original release.

Graphic/UI/moar itemz mods? Yeah, no real need for them. Fan patches like the big one, "run for your lives", questline fixes? Those are absolutely necessary.
 
DickMain said:
Just a title that came out at a very similar time and was overshadowed by FFVII. Personally I just feel like fighting feels a lot better in LoD than FFXII. Your characters all had these attacks called 'Additionals' that required you to press X with a specific rhythm to extend your basic attacks. Some were optimized purely for damage, others to charge a gauge to transform your characters into their more powerful, spell-casting forms. Combat just felt more involved, even if it was basically a QTE.

It's the same sort of draw (for me, anyway) that Valkyrie Profile had in its combat.

My takes are also lukewarm at best.
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Legend of Dragoon came out 2 years after Final Fantasy VII and was basically just SCEJ and SCEA trying to copy it in hopes of similar sales success. Additionals were boring bullshit gimmickry shoehorned in because of the complaints people were starting to have about long animations in games at that time.
 
Sir Wesley Tailpipe said:
Legend of Dragoon came out 2 years after Final Fantasy VII and was basically just SCEJ and SCEA trying to copy it in hopes of similar sales success. Additionals were boring bullshit gimmickry shoehorned in because of the complaints people were starting to have about long animations in games at that time.
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That's good to know. I was always under the impression that the game had come out at around the same time, not years after. In any case it's a combat system I prefer.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Is vanilla Skyrim overrated or is the mod scene the whole reason Skyrim has remained popular for fifteen years?

I get the feeling that people don't understand the meaning of "overrated" and are just generally bitching about things they don't like. For example, the dude who thinks sports games are overrated because he doesn't understand the appeal of sports and the weirdo who stupidly thinks the point of Zelda: BotW is to collect korok seeds.
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I'd imagine Skyrim without mods could be overrated if one stayed with consoles and not play whatever console version that did have mods. That said, with or without mods Skyrim does come off as overrated and the modding only helps keep it alive a bit longer because people want to run around with a waifu character in armor ripped off from better games while playing with some graphical overhaul that slows the game down.

garakfan69 said:
What's really overrated is modded Skyrim: It's still a garbage RPG but now you got skimpy armor.
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Even with all the titty armor threw into a world with "4k ultra high detail textures" and a "super realistic enb" on top of other shit like "better weapons," Skyrim is still a garbage RPG because no one even bothered to try and fix the combat system. Sure they may have mods that change damage values but honestly, I'd rather have something that makes me feel like my hits have weight without feeling like an exaggerated wind up along with something that actually makes it an RPG.
 
c-no said:
I'd imagine Skyrim without mods could be overrated if one stayed with consoles and not play whatever console version that did have mods. That said, with or without mods Skyrim does come off as overrated and the modding only helps keep it alive a bit longer because people want to run around with a waifu character in armor ripped off from better games while playing with some graphical overhaul that slows the game down.


Even with all the titty armor threw into a world with "4k ultra high detail textures" and a "super realistic enb" on top of other shit like "better weapons," Skyrim is still a garbage RPG because no one even bothered to try and fix the combat system. Sure they may have mods that change damage values but honestly, I'd rather have something that makes me feel like my hits have weight without feeling like an exaggerated wind up along with something that actually makes it an RPG.
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I still want to try this once it comes out this year. Basically Sky Souls mod

 
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