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Fortnite. The building aspect with the meme worthy content undermines the survival aspect of Battle Royale. The only reason it's rated T is because of the online only aspect.
 
@The Shadow I agree that western RPG's are usually reasonably bloated affairs but making an RPG is a double edged sword in that regard. I consider Horizon: Zero Dawn to be up there in my list of favorite games but I've had people getting grouchy at me for calling it an RPG. It's an open world game with a leveling system, quests and a degree of customization and a dialogue system that gives you an albeit limited choice in how you deal with certain things. Where I come from, that's an RPG. The problem is when you call it one, the purists moan that it doesn't have enough content for it to be an RPG. You contrast that with Mass Effect, a trilogy which goes to great lengths to try and hide just how closed and linear it actually is by allowing you to spend your time between missions doing grindy chores for extra shiny stuff. It seems to me that why makes an RPG these days isn't depth, or worldbuilding, it's busy work.
 
Pretty much all Sony exclusives for the past 15 years. The only one I thought was close to living up to the hype was the last God of War but even that was dragging by the end.
 
ProblematicUser420 said:
Pretty much all Sony exclusives for the past 15 years. The only one I thought was close to living up to the hype was the last God of War but even that was dragging by the end.
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Yeah nah bra Horizon Zero Dawn, The Last of Us, Uncharted and Spiderman on PS4, but seriously Sony does put out some godawful shit alongside those. Did you see the delicious, fine grade, 100% pure salt produced when Horizon was announced for PC tho?
 
LazarusOwenhart said:
@The Shadow I agree that western RPG's are usually reasonably bloated affairs but making an RPG is a double edged sword in that regard. I consider Horizon: Zero Dawn to be up there in my list of favorite games but I've had people getting grouchy at me for calling it an RPG. It's an open world game with a leveling system, quests and a degree of customization and a dialogue system that gives you an albeit limited choice in how you deal with certain things. Where I come from, that's an RPG. The problem is when you call it one, the purists moan that it doesn't have enough content for it to be an RPG. You contrast that with Mass Effect, a trilogy which goes to great lengths to try and hide just how closed and linear it actually is by allowing you to spend your time between missions doing grindy chores for extra shiny stuff. It seems to me that why makes an RPG these days isn't depth, or worldbuilding, it's busy work.
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Part of the thing is now, almost every game has a leveling system and people are gonna start moving the goalposts for what they think an RPG is. People are weird about that, I knew one guy who told me Fallout wasn't an RPG and Zelda was because all RPGs took place in medieval fantasy settings.
 
The Shadow said:
Part of the thing is now, almost every game has a leveling system and people are gonna start moving the goalposts for what they think an RPG is. People are weird about that, I knew one guy who told me Fallout wasn't an RPG and Zelda was because all RPGs took place in medieval fantasy settings.
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Despite the fact that one of the earliest things that we would recognize as a role playing game was invented in 1969, called Braunstein and in one of its variants cast players as government officials in a contemporary banana republic. People are dumb.
 
The Shadow said:
Part of the thing is now, almost every game has a leveling system and people are gonna start moving the goalposts for what they think an RPG is. People are weird about that, I knew one guy who told me Fallout wasn't an RPG and Zelda was because all RPGs took place in medieval fantasy settings.
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Something tells me this nigga’s never heard of Earthbound.
 
Jade Empires. AFAIK it's widely regarded as one of the best Bioware titles, but it just isn't that good IMO.
Combat is almost the same as in KOTOR 1 or NWN 1, the plot is dumber than either, and the karma/alignment system is plain re.tarded. I recall several NPCs stated "Open Palm and Closed Fist aren't about being perfectly good or perfectly evil all the time, it's whether your actions benefit the world as a whole or just yourself". Obviously, I'm paraphrasing, it's been so many years. Anyway, despite all these protests, it really is either be a goody two-shoes or be a complete asshole for no reason. No middle ground.

Arcania, the Gothic sequel nobody wanted. Any rating is too damn high for that game.
 
Chin of Campbell said:
Why is there a new iteration of "game you don't like that's popular" thread and "game ideas" thread every few weeks? This isn't /v/, those threads are all still open.
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The Last Stand said:
Fortnite. The building aspect with the meme worthy content undermines the survival aspect of Battle Royale. The only reason it's rated T is because of the online only aspect.
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Fortnite was originally meant to be a FPS-style co-op base building + tower defense game. You'd build a base on your own or with other players, complete with defenses, then participate in the effort to repel waves of attackers (zombies, monsters, other assorted nasties, etc.). Then Epic saw PUBG taking off and decided to switch gears to mimic it. They did so, but kept the building mechanic. It was an easy switch to make as far as the technical aspects of it goes (they were already using Unreal Engine for obvious reasons, and that already had pretty good net code for large multiplayer matches). They slapped some cosmetics on it, then turned it loose as a F2P game, and it started printing money.

It bums me out because the original Fortnite concept looked pretty decent. It might have made an interesting game.
 
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Do you always have to stare at me like I just drowned your goldfish?
Who else will I have ice cream with?

Speaking of FF7, it's a great game. Not the greatest RPG to ever exist, though. Not even the greatest JRPG. Even on the silver haired pretty boy scale, it isn't the best.
 
The Shadow said:
I was talking about Nintendo franchises in general, not just Zelda. Ocarina was the last one I tried to play. I mean Metroid Prime and Mario Sunshine were good games for their generation and I had fun with them the summer I was stuck at my Nintendo fan cousin's house.

They don't remake things because they're "badass", they remake them because there's a lucrative market for people to buy any remake of anything they have nostalgia for. Nintendo has tested these waters before as far back as remaking Mario 1-3 as All-Stars on the SNES, games that weren't even a generation old. I mean Square-Enix is remaking FF7 so they can tard cum that withered teat for another generational cycle or two.
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Metroid Prime was a great transition for the series and Melee was a damned good game in general, it just also happened to be the generation where Zelda games seemed to grow obsessed with endless text boxes.

As to only remaking games because they are profitable... well... ya. That is what I am saying, that they can get away with doing little but giving this game a coat of paint after nearly 3 decades. If nothing else Nintendo has confidence in their product.

I agree that most Zelda games are tedious garbage, but I would encourage any fan of LttP's design to check out LA. It is better than a classic game boy game has any right to be.
 
SilkGnut said:
Metroid Prime was a great transition for the series and Melee was a damned good game in general, it just also happened to be the generation where Zelda games seemed to grow obsessed with endless text boxes.

As to only remaking games because they are profitable... well... ya. That is what I am saying, that they can get away with doing little but giving this game a coat of paint after nearly 3 decades. If nothing else Nintendo has confidence in their product.

I agree that most Zelda games are tedious garbage, but I would encourage any fan of LttP's design to check out LA. It is better than a classic game boy game has any right to be.
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Metroid Prime is still a really good game. I don't mean to diminish it at all. I mean it basically comes down to being the classic Metroid formula in 3D, which ends up feeling like a lighter and softer System Shock with much better platforming. I don't think I'd ever seen anything like the Scan feature before, and I still love that idea. I don't consider it quite as tightly designed as Super Metroid but it's a worthy successor.

I've got to admit I hate the Smash Bros games with a passion, but that's probably because I didn't have any friends to play it with.
 
The Shadow said:
Metroid Prime is still a really good game. I don't mean to diminish it at all. I mean it basically comes down to being the classic Metroid formula in 3D, which ends up feeling like a lighter and softer System Shock with much better platforming. I don't think I'd ever seen anything like the Scan feature before, and I still love that idea. I don't consider it quite as tightly designed as Super Metroid but it's a worthy successor.

I've got to admit I hate the Smash Bros games with a passion, but that's probably because I didn't have any friends to play it with.
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My favorite part about Prime was that if you got really good at combat you felt like a fucking god!
 
SAVE TWINKIE! said:
alan wake and max payne 3
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With all the people constantly complaining about Max Payne 3 ruining the franchise I wouldn't call it overrated.

Alan Wake is a strange one, I really like it and hope they do a sequel, just like many people that didn't like it at release or even gave it low scores. It's because the game(play) itself is not good, the combat is tedious and predictable and there's way, way too much of it.
My enjoyment of Alan Wake increases with time passed since I last played it. The combat encounters that goes "flashlight to break darkness - pop, pop, pop, pop - reload revolver because you need four bullets to kill a standard grunt and it holds six - repeat a million times" fades away until I mostly remember the setting, environments, situations and characters, like the old dudes or Barry in christmas lights and so on. The good stuff.

Alan Wake America Nightmare was much more fun to play and the original should have been more open world like that instead of painfully linear. I wish Remedy had made a Deadly Premonition from the start and their original intent with Alan Wake was to make it open world and some of that is still in the base game here and there when you get a car towards the end.

tl;dr Alan Wake was underrated at release and overrated now because people take it too far, just like the first Mirror's Edge and Spec Ops: The line - games no one liked or bought until they were declared commercial failures.
 
Naughty Dog.

Nothing specific. Just that developer.

Fuck their games so hard. They're touted as some revoluationary company and all they do is make generic 'narrative' games tacked on with the most fucking standard and boring third person shooter mechanics I've ever seen. The fact some people think THOSE stories are even worth that level of praise too, well, I get why modern day movies suck so hard.

Edit: And I said all this before it was cool to hate Naughty Dog. I've always disliked them.
 
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Guts Gets Some said:
Naughty Dog.

Nothing specific. Just that developer.

Fuck their games so hard. They're touted as some revoluationary company and all they do is make pretty generic 'narrative' games tacked on with the most fucking standard and boring third person shooter mechanics I've ever seen. The fact some people think THOSE stories are even that worth that level of praise, well, I get why modern day movies suck so hard.
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Are you just talking about their post-Jak games, or their games as a whole?
 
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