Morgane Oger / Ronan Oger - defunded a rape crisis shelter, JY frenemy, sues ppl for misgendering, stalks meghan murphy, EX vp of new dem party that lost 3+ elections

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JBP fucked up a little here (chromosomes contain DNA, not the other way around) but he still might end up in front of a tribunal soon. He is pissy enough to have tweeted about it two days in a row. Also, Oger was doing some "notice me senpai" type of shit about JBP last year.

Brain Problems said:
I think non-Canuck Kiwis need to keep in mind that this ruling isn't like Ronan Oger aka Morgane Oger aka Rogaine Oger aka Rogaine Ogre of British Columbia, Canada, won in an actual court. Oger took nutter Whatcott to the kanadian kangaroo kourts known as the Human Rights Tribunals where anyone who's had their feelings hurt by you can attempt to ruin your life. I've had friends and family that worked for them before and admitted privately that they are abominations and complete wastes of money and time. They are extra-judicial grievance mongers whose existence continues because they named themselves something so positive sounding that the average exceptional Canadian assumes that they're A) legally binding like an actual real court and B) always doing the right thing because who would ever think a Human Rights Tribunal would not be the highest arbiter of sacred and indomitable charter freedoms?

Examples include a woman taking her co-worker to court the tribunal over racism because the co-worker didn't like the smelly crap she was heating up in the office microwave, and a woman taking another broad to court the tribunal over racism because of a dispute over a laundry machine and detergent in their apartment building.

Human rights, folks.
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The HRT knows Whatcott doesn't have 55 thousand dollars and will go to prison for not paying. When the HRT can order whatever fines it wants for as many infractions as it feels like inventing, they've made a debtors prison for all but the most affluent of canadians. Misgendering still carries the risk of prison time now, for those reasons. The human rights tribunal needs to be abolished if canadians are going to enjoy their charter rights. Bill Whatcott really wants to be a martyr for that cause, and he is a great case because he never advocates violence or discriminatory practices or anything, he is just a religious nut who thinks he is "saving" gays and trannies with his messages.
 
Brain Problems said:
Examples include a woman taking her co-worker to court the tribunal over racism because the co-worker didn't like the smelly crap she was heating up in the office microwave, and a woman taking another broad to court the tribunal over racism because of a dispute over a laundry machine and detergent in their apartment building.

Human rights, folks.
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The most bullshit thing about these tribunals when comparing them to normal courts is you don't have to pay any money, or hire a lawyer, so basically there is no penalty for doing shit like this. This allows people like Mr. Morgane "Biological Male" Oger and Yaniv to abuse the system to silence people who hurt their feelings. (Or in Yaniv's case to force women to wax his balls)

Trooning out actually gives you so much power in this country, since as we saw from this case gender is of greater value than religion or personal beliefs.
 
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JBP fucked up a little here (chromosomes contain DNA, not the other way around) but he still might end up in front of a tribunal soon. He is pissy enough to have tweeted about it two days in a row. Also, Oger was doing some "notice me senpai" type of shit about JBP last year.


The HRT knows Whatcott doesn't have 55 thousand dollars and will go to prison for not paying. When the HRT can order whatever fines it wants for as many infractions as it feels like inventing, they've made a debtors prison for all but the most affluent of canadians. Misgendering still carries the risk of prison time now, for those reasons. The human rights tribunal needs to be abolished if canadians are going to enjoy their charter rights. Bill Whatcott really wants to be a martyr for that cause, and he is a great case because he never advocates violence or discriminatory practices or anything, he is just a religious nut who thinks he is "saving" gays and trannies with his messages.
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Morgane Oger has a male anatomy, he’s a man period. The only thing not “male” are his feelings towards himself. He views himself as female.

Which to any sane person, indicates Morgane Oger is mentally ill and not female.
 
Bill Whatcott finally wrote a thread on his message board about the ruling.

http://www.freenorthamerica.ca/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10754&sid=51eaf1194219de7a8ba4494154be691c
http://archive.is/AS8nj

it has this gem of a picture lol
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Dear Friends,

The judgment has come in from the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal for my "crime" of correctly gendering the biological male, Mr. Ronan Oger, Vice President of the NDP. Mr. Oger goes by the French female name "Mogane" and part of the costs in this judgment is because I refused to use his female name, or female pronouns during my kangaroo show trial.

The judgment is long (105 pages), delusional, and not really all that pleasant to read.

I have linked the judgment at the bottom of this post so you can read it in its entirety yourself if you wish. I also linked two news articles below to give you an idea what the pro-life and lamestream media are saying about this case.

It seems to me Devyn has a false notion of what "dignity" is. She used the word too many times in this long and ridiculous judgment. In Devyn's world "protecting" Oger's dignity amounts to forcing me and others to refer to him either with female or gender neutral pronouns and recognize in Devyn's words, Ronan, " as the woman she is."

The problem is Mr. Oger will always be a man and will never be a woman no matter what Devyn thinks. Unfortunately, while disgreeing with Devyn on whether Mr. Oger is a man or a woman has no bearing on what the reality of his DNA is...., 100% male, it could have a material bearing on your financial well being. In my case defending what is self evident truth in regards to Mr. Oger's sex has resulted in a $55,000 judgment against me and an order that I don't call him a man anymore.

Devyn justified this huge fine and gag order by alleging I incited discrimination against Mr. Oger by calling on people to not vote for him or support his tyrannical, far left, political party . She also decided my flyer did not concern a matter of "legitimate public interest."

What matters to Cousineau seems to be that crossdressers be able to run in elections without anyone commenting on their gender delusions.
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I didn't see any order that he can't call Oger a man anymore outside of court, but it was really fucking long and repetitive and the threat was implied by the judgement.. maybe it is in there explicitly? Bill has a lawyer that reads this type of shit for him so I would not be surprised if the HRT really did put that in the judgment. As if they can order compelled speech. Once bill is in prison what do they think they are gonna do? I am completely sure he will mail flyers to everyone he can from prison, maybe having to hand write them or something. Every attempt to shut him up has resulted in more flyers being made.

the link has the text and pictures of the flyer bill is going to prison over.
 
Marvin said:
Aren't they? If they award damages, they are empowered to collect, right?
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This is for Ontario, but it's the same thing throughout Canada.

If the Tribunal orders that money is to be paid by the Respondent to the Applicant, the Tribunal cannot assist. Collecting money is not the Tribunal’s responsibility and a successful Applicant does not simply “pick up a cheque” at the Tribunal office.

If the Respondent against whom an order has been made (the debtor) does not voluntarily pay, it is up to the Applicant – the person seeking to get paid (the creditor) - to enforce the order or minutes of settlement and collect the money.

When you read their shit you can easily see that they are not a real court. They only tell you that it is up to you to either take it to small claims court or Superior Court of Canada (If it's $25,000 or more).
 
Anonymus Fluhre said:
This is for Ontario, but it's the same thing throughout Canada.

If the Tribunal orders that money is to be paid by the Respondent to the Applicant, the Tribunal cannot assist. Collecting money is not the Tribunal’s responsibility and a successful Applicant does not simply “pick up a cheque” at the Tribunal office.

If the Respondent against whom an order has been made (the debtor) does not voluntarily pay, it is up to the Applicant – the person seeking to get paid (the creditor) - to enforce the order or minutes of settlement and collect the money.

When you read their shit you can easily see that they are not a real court. They only tell you that it is up to you to either take it to small claims court or Superior Court of Canada (If it's $25,000 or more).
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Well they're obviously not a court, they're a tribunal.

Perhaps I was a bit narrow in my phrasing.

If the tribunal issues an order, that piece of paper can be enforce through the government somehow, correct?

I mean, they might need to jump through a few more hoops, but ultimately enforcement will happen. Like the extra hoops won't, for example, relitigate the facts before doing so. The facts will have been settled at the tribunal or through some appeals process.

Am I understanding this correctly?

If so, I would call that legally binding.
 
Marvin said:
Well they're obviously not a court, they're a tribunal.

Perhaps I was a bit narrow in my phrasing.

If the tribunal issues an order, that piece of paper can be enforce through the government somehow, correct?

I mean, they might need to jump through a few more hoops, but ultimately enforcement will happen. Like the extra hoops won't, for example, relitigate the facts before doing so. The facts will have been settled at the tribunal or through some appeals process.

Am I understanding this correctly?

If so, I would call that legally binding.
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It is legally binding, you are correct. The ruling talks specifically about how jail time is a possibility if the fines are not paid.
Anonymus Fluhre said:
If the Respondent against whom an order has been made (the debtor) does not voluntarily pay, it is up to the Applicant – the person seeking to get paid (the creditor) - to enforce the order or minutes of settlement and collect the money.
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that is how it works in every court though. A ton of judgments are never collected on because the creditor generally has to do a bunch of shit to get the money (like going to a hearing where the debtor has to tell a judge why they haven't paid and then maybe the judge will order wage garnishment if the person is conventionally employed). Most people only pay because it is absolutely crippling on a credit report, but if you have shitty credit or credit is irrelevant to your lifestyle, you don't have to do a damn thing.

Ronan is extremely motivated to send bill to jail and has a bunch of Morgane Oger Foundation money to make it happen.
 
Brain Problems said:
I think non-Canuck Kiwis need to keep in mind that this ruling isn't like Ronan Oger aka Morgane Oger aka Rogaine Oger aka Rogaine Ogre of British Columbia, Canada, won in an actual court. Oger took nutter Whatcott to the kanadian kangaroo kourts known as the Human Rights Tribunals where anyone who's had their feelings hurt by you can attempt to ruin your life. I've had friends and family that worked for them before and admitted privately that they are abominations and complete wastes of money and time.
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It doesn't matter if it's a fake court run by mental midget Nazi busybodies according to no actual laws or procedures where they just make shit up wholesale.

These fake courts can still impose real fines and you can end up in real jail.
 
Oger is snarking on Whatcott for having supporters who are willing to help pay the fine.
Oger's buddy is trying to get Whatcott's supporters fired from their jobs

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Sissy Galvez said:
I don’t think either should go to jail for ideas or words. Nothing Whatcott did hurt Ronan aka Morgane because everything Whatcott said is true.
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I still recall my (US) Political Science 101 professor telling us that, generally, mere advocacy of a general idea or political theory is free speech. As such, I agree with your sentiments that expressing a general opinion such as "XY is a biological male" without malice attached shouldn't be actionable, nor should opposing viewpoints such as "trans is female" if expressed the same way since free speech covers ridiculous statements, too.

Also, it's telling that many of our cows tend to freak out over mere words and use them to m1lk victim status, asspats, and even e-begging funds. I guess the rise of special snowflakes and the Oppression Olympics did away with the idea that words can only be hurtful if and when one lets them be.

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Do you think he'd throw a shit fit if we all just referred to him with no pronouns?
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Troons such as Ogre or Yaniv seem almost all too eager to pounce on people the instant they use the wrong pronouns or labels - even if its accidental, unintentional, or otherwise not malicious. Worse, Yaniv still uses a male first name on some social media and a female one on others as if to put people in a catch-22 where use of any pronouns could result in cries of "REE! Misgender!"

In these situations, avoiding pronouns might be the right thing to do because this is a situation where not playing the game is the best way to win, and - more importantly - denying attention-seekers the attention (both postive and negative) they crave is probably best in the long run. Sure, it can be difficult to phrase sentences properly without pronouns, but troons such as these two provide more than enough motivation to do it.

Aunty Everything said:
Oger is snarking on Whatcott for having supporters who are willing to help pay the fine.
Oger's buddy is trying to get Whatcott's supporters fired from their jobs

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Funny how people such as Oger and others see this as harassment and stalking - and report it as such - when they're on the receiving end yet they see nothing wrong with being the ones that behave the same way towards others. :story:
 
Kiwi Lime Pie said:
As such, I agree with your sentiments that expressing a general opinion such as "XY is a biological male" without malice attached shouldn't be actionable, nor should opposing viewpoints such as "trans is female" if expressed the same way since free speech covers ridiculous statements, too.
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It shouldn't be actionable even if you say it mockingly, deliberately sneering at the person and hoping they kill themselves.

I am proud to live in a country where that is the case. We call it a free country.
 
Anonymus Fluhre said:
Real courts in Canada will usually overturn Human Rights Court cases, one of my favourite cases was this one.

National Post editorial board: Real court tells Human Rights Tribunal who's boss

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Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity! It's good to know there's still hope for all those beady-eyed canadian cucks!

Jokes aside, the article is a great read, it's pretty entertaining to see how the author tries to put it in an "adequate journalistic tone" and back up all his claims when, in fact, he's just as tilted by that fucking Human Rights Court as any of us here are :lit:
 
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