UN Momentum will back Labour candidate change. - *Purge sirens ringing*

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45389424

Momentum has said it will back calls for the process of selecting Labour election candidates to be "opened up", at the party's conference this month.

The Jeremy Corbyn-supporting campaign group said it wanted to see a "new generation" of Labour MPs.

The group backs mandatory reselection, which would see activists able to challenge sitting MPs rather than see them renominated by party branches.

Centrist MPs fear the idea is aimed at purging them from the party.

Two MPs on the right of the party - Frank Field and John Woodcock - have quit the whip in recent times complaining of a culture of bullying and intimidation in the party.

Those on the left say they are out of step with the direction of the party and point to the fact Mr Field lost a vote of confidence among members of his local constituency party in Birkenhead in July.

Local Labour branches are set to put forward a host of proposals to the conference in Liverpool later this month aimed at shaking up the party's internal procedures, although it is not yet clear how many will actually be debated, let alone win the support of the leadership.

According to the Observer, one of the ideas being put forward is to scrap the rule which makes it an expellable offence to "support a political organisation other than an official Labour group".

The sanction has been in place since the 1980s when Labour was fighting entryism by the hard-left Militant group. The paper said five local branches so far had expressed support for it being removed.

'Outdated'
Most of the focus, however, will be on demands for mandatory reselection, where local members will be given the opportunity to to choose from a shortlist of candidates, including the sitting MP.

At the moment, the vast majority of incumbent MPs are reselected if they get the backing of a simple majority of constituency party members.

Momentum said there was a "groundswell" of support from among its members for this system to change and for there to be a "level-playing field" between different candidates.

"Labour has to nurture the talent of its half a million members and we cannot let an outdated rulebook hold back a new generation of MPs," it said in a statement.

"Labour's selection procedure should be democratic, give a fair chance to all candidates and encourage positive campaigning. This means ending the divisive practise of forcing activists to campaign against sitting MPs and replacing it with a process that is open from the start.

"Opening up the selection process will create a more level playing field between candidates."

The vast majority of MPs oppose mandatory reselection, believing the demands are politically motivated.

The conference is expected to discuss the findings of a "democracy review" commissioned by Jeremy Corbyn in 2016, including into the rules for future leadership contests. But the question of mandatory reselection was not part of taskforce's remit.

Of course those niggers are backing this! They'll swamp the vote like they did with Corbachev!

Shit's getting Stalinesque dudes. Strap yourselves in as we are about to witness the fiery death of a major political party.
 
Two MPs on the right of the party - Frank Field and John Woodcock - have quit the whip in recent times complaining of a culture of bullying and intimidation in the party.

Those on the left say they are out of step with the direction of the party and point to the fact Mr Field lost a vote of confidence among members of his local constituency party in Birkenhead in July.

Out of goose step, is what I think they mean.
Imagine my shock that leftists practice bullying and intimidation these days...
 
I know Comrade Corbachev has been running things for while, but this is going to be a massacre of the Tony Blair types. Where will the refugees of the socialist take over go?
 
I know Comrade Corbachev has been running things for while, but this is going to be a massacre of the Tony Blair types. Where will the refugees of the socialist take over go?

Anti-Brexit types will likely defect to the Lib Dems.

However there have been rumblings of moderate Labour MPs looking to form a new party themselves, free of the Commies.
 
Anti-Brexit types will likely defect to the Lib Dems.

However there have been rumblings of moderate Labour MPs looking to form a new party themselves, free of the Commies.
I really doubt the Lib Dems would take in any Blairites. They're considered toxic by the vast majority of Lib Dem supporters, many of whom were Labour voters before Blair. I can see a more central-right party emerging from the moderates of the current Conservative and Labour parties though, if they both do collapse, but I doubt Labour rebels could form one themselves after a split without eating each other's share of the vote due to FPTP - and they likely know this.
 
I really doubt the Lib Dems would take in any Blairites. They're considered toxic by the vast majority of Lib Dem supporters, many of whom were Labour voters before Blair. I can see a more central-right party emerging from the moderates of the current Conservative and Labour parties though, if they both do collapse, but I doubt Labour rebels could form one themselves after a split without eating each other's share of the vote due to FPTP - and they likely know this.

I don't see the Tories collapsing myself to be honest, they'll endure as they have the past 200 years.

Labour is in it's death throes though, and I can see the Lib Dems taking on as many ex party members as they can, especially if they're MPs. They're opportunistic bastards and they won't let a silly thing like ideology get in the way of increased relevance.

As for any new Labour party, I think long sitting MPs will keep it limping along, unless UKIP offer a better deal for the electorate.
 
I don't see the Tories collapsing myself to be honest, they'll endure as they have the past 200 years.

Labour is in it's death throes though, and I can see the Lib Dems taking on as many ex party members as they can, especially if they're MPs. They're opportunistic bastards and they won't let a silly thing like ideology get in the way of increased relevance.

As for any new Labour party, I think long sitting MPs will keep it limping along, unless UKIP offer a better deal for the electorate.
I don't think the Tories will collapse in the typical sense (I'd expect a UKIP/hard right coup personally), but whether they do is almost entirely dependent on Brexit (even with May as a scapegoat) and the UKIP migration towards them that's happening. It's not likely, but it's not off the table either.

The Lib Dems have always been totally ideology based - and this has screwed them out of any chance of taking power due to compromising that ideology to form a coalition which pissed off their voters at the time to no end, along with the other promises they reneged on (lol, people taking politicians at face value). I feel that they'd lose whatever base they had left if they decided to take members fleeing a party that don't even agree with their party's ideals. Or the party would simply just implode.

Either way this is a pretty interesting time in UK politics.
 
The Tories are political cockroaches, they'll survive no matter what.

Good that labour are purging themselves of the blairites though - awful bunch of neoliberal snakes. Tories in sheeps clothing. I'd be happy to vote for a proper left wing alternative rather than right wing or right-wing-lite.
 
Out of goose step, is what I think they mean.
Imagine my shock that leftists practice bullying and intimidation these days...

The last thing that those resignations were about is bullying and anti-semitism. Frank Field in particular has always been weirdly out of place in any Labour party, and recently lost a no-confidence vote held by his constituents. Being a Liverpool-based MP who happily writes for The Sun and sides with the Tories on Brexit will do that for you.
 
Siding with Brexit isn't an immediate bad thing for some Labour voters.

Labour isn't entirely Momemtumite wankers, it still has a large working class base - people forget that whilst the Conservatives lose votes to UKIP, Labour still does too it's just in certain areas.

It's why Corbyn doesn't speak more openly against Brexit*- it wouldn't be an immediate vote-winner across the board.

*Aside from his personal dislike of the EU of course.
 
I don't see the Tories collapsing myself to be honest, they'll endure as they have the past 200 years.

Labour is in it's death throes though, and I can see the Lib Dems taking on as many ex party members as they can, especially if they're MPs. They're opportunistic bastards and they won't let a silly thing like ideology get in the way of increased relevance.

As for any new Labour party, I think long sitting MPs will keep it limping along, unless UKIP offer a better deal for the electorate.
Even if the Lib Dems don't take them on outwardly, thats where they will in some form end up going in the end. Britain does not have room for 4 national poltical parties. You will have Labor on the statist left, the tories on the statist Right, Lib Dems for free traders and what, some moderate leftist party with no base outside of a corporate board room? They'll either disintegrate after a single election or merge into the Lib Dems just as the SDs and Liberals did back in the early 80s.

Of course even that scenario rises bile in my throat. 3 established political parties, none of which have any appeal to the average joe and the only hope for a new one is somehow even worse. Image what would happen if the parties did away with short lists and let their constituency members actually vote on MP candidates...
 
They're considered toxic by the vast majority of Lib Dem supporters

How Blair has managed to snake his way back into UK politics is unreal.
It's unsurprising considering how much hate Corbyn got upon election. They're literally trying to jew him out of position, Corbyn the commie nazi.
 
It’s crunch time. Over the next two days, the Labour party’s national executive committee will meet to decide whether or not to adopt the IHRA definition of antisemitism in full. Many are saying the debate is essentially over. The former prime minister Gordon Brown has urged the party to incorporate the IHRA definition and 11 examples into its rulebook “unequivocally and immediately”, as has Unite’s general secretary Len McCluskey. It has been reported that Jon Lansman, founder of Momentum and previously a prominent supporter of the proposed NEC code of conduct, has since been lobbying the Labour leadership for full adoption(it should be noted that Momentum itself has not taken a position either way).

It might appear contrarian and needlessly divisive to argue against such an overwhelming uniformity of opinion. However, this seeming consensus excludes British BAME and Palestinian voices on the issue. Full adoption of IHRA in the name of anti-racism is a self-defeating enterprise. As Margaret Hodge’s comments yesterday demonstrate (“It might have been enough three months ago, it might have just enabled us all to start talking to each other and bring trust again, but I think that moment has passed”), full implementation of IHRA as a tactical measure to contain or mitigate the crisis is inherently flawed. Most importantly, it is a danger to the fundamental right to freedom of expression.

Let me be clear: I recognise the necessity of tackling antisemitism in the Labour party head-on. Jews are once again being painted as rootless cosmopolitans and subverters of democracy in Europe (see Nick Timothy’s broadside against George Soros in the Telegraph a few months ago). Such tropes are part of a wider project to use idea of the “enemy within” to break and remake society in the image of increasingly hardline ethnonationalism. Antisemitic hate crime in the UK is at an all-time high. The left cannot afford any complacency. In such a context, and with Jewish trust in Labour at a low ebb, I think it’s necessary to adopt some version of the IHRA definition.

But the IHRA is a proposition with 12 moving parts in total, and that deserves serious scrutiny. This itself has been a point of contention. On Sunday night I joined Mike Katz from the Jewish Labour Movement and Lee Harpin from the Jewish Chronicle on BBC 5Live for a debate on this issue. As many have argued, Katz said that had the discussion been about any other form of racism, the Labour party would “do what [they] do with any other minority and ask: ‘What is your definition of hatred against you?’ And adopt it.”

This is simply not true. The Labour party has not adopted working definitions for any other religious or racial minority. It is a statement of fact that even if they adopted only the IHRA top paragraph and none of the examples, Jewish people in the party would be afforded safeguards that no other religious or racial group in the organisation have. Any implementation of a working definition must be attentive to the fact that this creates a hierarchy of racism, in which one minority group is deemed worthy of protection and others are not. This is corrosive to the politics of solidarity, mutual aid, and the shared struggle against racism in all its forms.

Advertisement
Some might reply that there is no reason why there cannot be a definition of racism for each racial and religious minority – if other groups want an IHRA, nothing is preventing them from asking for one. This is where we must think very seriously about what the work of anti-racism is. Antisemitism, at this point in history, is primarily experienced as prejudice and hostility towards Jews as Jews, largely without aspects of material dispossession (such as structural unemployment) that manifest in other forms of racism. Islamophobia and racialised xenophobia has a much greater proximity to shaping policy, particularly related to immigration, integration and criminal justice. You cannot define these forms of structural discrimination out of existence. The gesture of “IHRA for all” would do very little to fight the institutional racism that dictates the politics of the everyday.

What’s more, this suggestion is an evasion of the fundamental issues presented by the IHRA text. It has been noted by sharper legal minds than mine that the vagueness of the IHRA definition (“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews”) means that the 11 examples are invested with an incredible amount of power when it comes to how the code will be applied in disciplinary and data-gathering contexts. Indeed, former judge Stephen Sedley has suggested that the effect of the definition’s gaps “whether or not it is their purpose, is to permit perceptions of Jews which fall short of expressions of racial hostility to be stigmatised as antisemitic”. Seven out of 11 examples are about how people talk about the state of Israel.

A definition of racism that ought to help us open up a conversation about protecting marginalised groups is primarily concerned with closing down what may be said about a geopolitical conflict. Others have invoked a version of the Macpherson principle to argue that only victims of a particular form of racism can define the terms of that racism; this is an inherently undemocratic proposition when the definition is so closely entwined with what half a million Labour members may or may not say about Israel.

I do agree wholeheartedly with Katz when he says: “If we violate the rights of one minority, we violate the rights of all of them.” Take the condemnation of IHRA’s working definition by Palestinian civil society organisations. In an open letter, Palestinian trade unions and other networks argued that “this non-legally binding definition attempts to erase Palestinian history, demonise solidarity with the Palestinian struggle for freedom, justice and equality, suppress freedom of expression, and shield Israel’s far-right regime of occupation, settler-colonialism and apartheid from effective measures of accountability in accordance to international law”. They have not been formally consulted on IHRA by the Labour party, nor enjoyed anywhere near the amount of mainstream media coverage as advocates of the definition.

Kenneth Stern, one of the authors of the European Union Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia text that IHRA is based on, gave testimony in 2017 to the US House of Representatives judiciary committee regarding the ways political expression has been formally suppressed on UK campuses by those invoking the definition. An “Israel apartheid week” event was cancelled. A Holocaust survivor was forced to change the name of a talkfollowing pressure from the Israeli ambassador. And an off-campus group citing the definition called on a university to conduct an inquiry of a professor (who received her PhD from Columbia) for antisemitism, based on an article she had written years before.

The adoption of IHRA has never been in isolation – careful study of its application shows that it works alongside external pressure from organisations and individuals aligned with the aims of the Israeli state. Perhaps those in charge of the Labour party disciplinary processes will be able to withstand that pressure.

But let’s take example 7: “Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavour.” This is what I consider the most toxic example. Much has been made of the difference between “a” state of Israel and “the” state of Israel. But in reality this has had very little impact on how IHRA has been applied. Even if we are to take this distinction between “a” and “the” to be meaningful, there is a potential effect of imposing uniformity of thought with the prospect of censure for an opposing view. It is Labour party policy to support a two-state solution in Israel and Palestine. But should a member who thinks that it is legitimate to pursue, through democratic means, a multi-ethnic and multi-religious Palestine potentially face reprimand, suspension or exclusion?

Example 7 has been invoked by Joan Ryan, chair of Labour Friends of Israel, in a recent letter to Jeremy Corbyn urging him to renege on his commitment to upholding UN general assembly resolution 194 guaranteeing Palestinian refugees the right of return, as this would “destroy the Jewish people’s right to self-determination”.

The ambiguity regarding IHRA’s interpretation presents an unacceptable level of risk to Labour members’ freedom of expression regarding solidarity with the Palestinian people, in line with international law. Complaints explicitly invoking example 7 will be made, proceedings initiated and, as Stern observed, such exercises, regardless of the outcome, can be “chilling and McCarthy-like”. My fear is that this will have the effect of restricting free expression and political action.

With the Trump administration de-funding United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees – the agency responsible for service provision to more than 5 million Palestinian refugees – and stating that right of returnwill not be on the table for any forthcoming peace talks, it is more important than ever that British progressives stand in solidarity with an oppressed people. Full adoption of IHRA – which, even with caveats, only acknowledges Palestinian rights as subordinate to the concerns of Jewish people in the Labour party – is a danger to freedom of expression, the fundamental right upon which all democratic participation rests.

The left cannot be complicit in the marginalisation of Palestinian people in the interest of fighting racism. We can, and we must, do much better than that.

• Ash Sarkar is a senior editor at Novara Media, and lectures in political theory at Anglia Ruskin and the Sandberg Instituut

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/03/ihra-antisemitism-labour-palestine
 
Back
Top Bottom