Modern Job Searching

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Modern job searching is a joke. Well, it's always been a joke. In the very old days you would go in to an office, do a song and dance for someone, try to be honest and open and not exaggerate too much, and perhaps you would get a job. But these days the odds are stacked against anyone who breathes.

You can't just walk in to a business and talk to a manager any more. Well, perhaps restaurants, but certainly not anything IT or business related. You are likely to be shot dead before you get within 10 feet of the barbed wire fence.

You can't talk to business employees. Employees would be reprimanded, fired, and sued if they even hinted about any business internals. In the very unlikely chance you do get a response from such an employee, the sad reality is all they are even capable of telling anybody is "All I know about my job is that I press this button all day. I don't know anything else about the company. I don't even know the person in the cube next to me. I can't help you.".

Instead, you are expected to visit each company's web site, sludge through piles of job listings, and submit a resume. That gets promptly ignored. No feedback, no idea what you could do better, no contacts, no nothing. Lather, rinse, repeat forever.

The first thing they still tell people in job searching classes is "networking, networking, networking". How am I supposed to do that? I don't have pile of friends, I'm not part of the rich upper-class, I don't do sports or whatever "normal" people do, I certainly am not part of any mumbo-jumo religious group, and I have no desire to trawl through the mindless, trite sludge people call "social media".

You would think there would be some kind of agencies, organizations, or businesses that could help at least point someone in the right direction. But there isn't. Temp agency? Perhaps if you do warehouse work. Certainly nothing related to IT.

Atlanta used to be a hub for computer technology. The big Comdex computer shows with all the hot-shot vendors including Bill Gates were either here or in Las Vegas. I have piles of 1980s software manuals that list their company address as "Atlanta, GA", "Norcross, GA", or "Marietta, GA". Atlanta even had one of the first computer stores that sold Altair personal computers. Not so much of that here today. It is all in China or India now.

-Job Listings-
10 FIND JOB LISTING
20 SEND RESUME
30 GOTO 10

Most job listings are ridiculous. There are bazillions of job listings out there, and I'm supposed to somehow search through every one of them? Even when I narrow things down there are piles of them. Many of them aren't even real job listings. Automated searches likely omit things I should see. Automated "notifications" just bombard me with more than I can handle.

Pulling up listings under one company may show they have 10,000 jobs listed... even if company is hardly that big. If they are looking for that many new employees all at once, they can't possibly be in business. They list pretty much every job position they have, the postings are constantly re-listed, and the jobs are never "filled". Resumes get ignored. Not even a rejection e-mail. Fake jobs.

Most listings never tell enough about the actual job. A simple call-center "technical support" job can be so fluffed it sounds like they need a nuclear physicist. Meanwhile a listing for a big complex high-tech company "technical support" is all of five lines of generic stuff, telling me nothing. Give me a realistic idea of the scope of the work.

The HR people (if indeed they are actual people), writing the descriptions rarely know anything about the job or skills needed to do the job. For example, "XML" and "HTML" are NOT programming languages. "SQL" is a generic term. If one needs "PostgreSQL", "Oracle PL/SQL", or "Microsoft SQL Server" experience, spell it out! Just because the letters "SQL" appear in the name does not mean you can shorten it and still mean the same thing.

Similarly, "A+" is not a certification. Or rather, it could be many different things. One might mean "CompTIA A+" certification. If so, then spell it out.

I've even seen a listing, I think it was for a "Systems Engineer", that just took the word System Engineer and used it over and over in a bunch of babble like "The Systems Engineer will produce high quality output and excellence. The Systems Engineer must thrive in a fast pace environment. the Systems Engineer will work closely with the supervising manager..." with literally not a single word about any technology used, any skills needed, or any scope of the work, or any idea at all of what this job was about.

Then there are the ones that spell out every impossible little detail. "100 Years of proven experience programming Java, XML, and HTML, no less than 5 years of experience with Zoomaploop, Jazorpazola, and InternalBlaApp that only five companies on the planet use so good luck getting experience or finding training, 7 years professional experience in Shlonguzzle OR 8 years of iAssnort 17G experience instead. You will also clean floors, polish toilets, and must have experience in Oracle Everything, DHCP, Microsoft All of That 369, Cisco All The Things [...insert entire dictionary of skills here...] only Superman need apply"

Training

Training? What's that? Learning? Never heard of that.

Almost every job expects people to "hit the ground running" with no additional training or learning period. In some cases that is understandable, but when it comes to something like software development, or supporting internal applications, every business is unique. There is ALWAYS going to be some learning.

How would you ever get experience with whatever internal programs they use? It's not like there are public training classes readily available.

Some of these tools are just simple things that I'm sure I could learn in no time. Others *should* be simple, but the big businesses that write them have gone out of their way to make them more complicated than they need to be and impossible to learn.

For example - "Business Intelligence tools". Back before that was a buzzword, those were just buggy bloated graphing/reporting programs intended to connect directly to multiple databases. No big deal. Connect, write a few queries, make pretty graphs. Spend most of the time jumping through eccentricities, configuring unnecessarily obscure settings, and working around bugs. Ho hum, nothing special. Usually sold by the database vendors for a lot of money, so not something anyone could get their hands on easily.

So these days, they have webbified them, made them subscription based, added more unnecessarily obscure garbage. I think they can make "dashboards" and send alerts to toy cell phones too now.

Certifications? Ok, the employer doesn't want to spend time finding out what you know. That would be fair enough if that piece of paper certifying what you already know didn't cost $10,000! All that piece of paper proves is someone can answer multiple guess questions and is already rich enough to afford it. Even if you do invest in such an expensive certification, the chances of actually getting the job are still slim to none.

Application Sites

After sorting through ALL of those job listings and finding one that MIGHT fit my skills, assuming the listing is even vaguely accurate, now it is time the fill out another lengthy job application! Some sites like Indeed have a quick simplified submission process but increasingly once you submit your resume, you will get an automated e-mail instructing you to re-submit your resume on the employer's REAL job labyrinth.... I mean site.

Lets start by signing up to yet another random company's custom job site.

Your Profile

Unless you are submitting directly through a common job site, you will have to submit your resume on yet another companies site. Occasionally even the sign-up process can be hairy. It is yet another user ID and password to keep track of, or you might be able to log in using some random social media site shared login so the social media site can track you.

If you are lucky it just sends a confirmation to your e-mail address and you are good to go.

If you are unlucky it makes you set up a series of "security questions", or fill out a "user profile". Yea, your password is "ALq^3tG{GG6-oIQ~=(b]:{dVI*,!%Vut29,ooLvPqQZAYYya2`\%la\(1{"uy79g" but to reset it all someone has to do is guess that your favorite color is purple. Brilliant.

If you are ME, then it doesn't even work in your web browser. Everyone uses Gurgle Crumb, right? No one ever uses anything customized, right?

Once and a while a site may go totally overboard, trying to set up extra measures like two factor authentication. Usually the reason is they made the mistake of making their job submission site part of a much larger, highly secured, corporate site.

Some sites want you to set up a "profile" with all kinds of personal information. Usually, I think, the intent to enter data here that would otherwise be done in the resume re-entry step. But if it asks you to store your entire resume here, this can be problematic if submitting resumes for different positions.

My favorite current mis-feature of sign-up processes are the "Let's connect!" crap. Yes, sure, sign me up for loads of spam! No, it's not going to be anything useful to job seekers. Just the company tooting their own horn about how great their hiring processes are.

That is all assuming the site was even legitimate. If not, they have your e-mail address and lots of other personal information now that they can do whatever they want with.

Enter it all over again

Now it is time to re-enter EVERYTHING that is already on your resume and then some. They often even explicitly say: "Do not say 'see resume'!".

Many corporate application sites are custom designed and are filled with horrid user interface dumbness.

For example, many times they make you enter a phone number with no or odd formatting like "7895551234", or you have to guess what format it wants. This gets really tricky if they expect a country code and don't tell you how to format it.

Need to enter a date? Ok "4/2/2022". What do you mean "invalid format"? "4-2-2022"? No? "2022/4/2"? "April 2, 2022"? "2-APR-2022"? No? Oh, you want zero padding like "04/02/2022". It's too bad we don't have any kind of machine or device that can interpret and reformat dates...

A REALLY dumb issue are sites that ask only for a "Mobile" telephone number. Newsflash: not everyone uses or owns toy cell/smart phones. "Texting"? What do I look like, some kind of teenage girl? Probably trying to sign people up for "text" spam. Some sites ask for both home phone and mobile, but then "Mobile" is a REQUIRED field, forcing me to enter crap like 999-999-9999, leaving me unsure if they will even process the application.

Next, they want to know your city, state, and country... but you have to select from a drop down that contains a list of every city and country on the planet. Bonus points if it only loads a few names in the drop down and slowly chugs away fetching more names as you keeps scrolling down. Of course as more load it HAS to resize the drop down box so the scroll bar keeps jumping around. Keyboard navigation? What's a keyboard?

Many times they want insane levels of detail. For example:

  • Your last three previous addresses and EXACTLY how long you lived there. (actual question).
  • Desired salary - you may NOT continue until you enter a valid number. This is a major trick question to start with. The rule is you are not supposed to talk about money, yet they force you to enter it. Face it, nobody is getting this job.
  • Exact number of years experience doing [vague skill]. Yea, you have done that forever, but only once in a while. What to honestly enter?
  • Employment start and end dates down to the specific day, even if was 20 years ago or a project that tapered off towards the end.
  • Previous employer's street address, e-mail address, phone number, and their first pet's maiden name. Even if the employer or address no longer exists. You could have only possibly worked at one of their addresses the entire time, right?
  • Previous supervisor's street address, e-mail address, phone number, exact title, and their first pet's maiden name. All back to the beginning of time.
  • The exact number of employees you supervised at each previous position. (But it's not a supervisor type position).
  • The reason you left your previous job. Unless you check the "I still work there" box, it is mandatory. And still usually none of their business.
  • Annual salary of a job that was hourly, or vice versa.
  • Have you ever received an unsatisfactory annual performance evaluation from an employer? (actual question!) And this is followed by an entire interrogation of anything previous employers may not have liked about you. Do you think for one second that anyone who has worked for more than a few years has not gotten some bogus evaluation at some point?
  • The EXACT day you started and ended college, never mind that was eons ago. Bonus points for a GUI date selector that forces you to scroll back through every day!
  • Exact college GPA? how am I supposed to remember. Why is that even relevant? Yes, the field is required.
  • Limiting you to a pre-defined list for things like colleges or certifications. Never mind that the school name has changed or its a new certification.
  • Of course, then there are the position details about every single previous job even though this is all in your resume.
  • Just for fun, let's re-enter a list of EACH of your specific skills one at a time using our klunky GUI. You had better enter all 100 of them because you know the employer might only pull up resumes by keyword from this list. Look at your resume? Bah. Oh, yea, bonus points when you have to use a long slow drop down list to select each from a dictionary of 20,000 skills.
  • Write a 200 word essay on why you want this job. "If I work for you, you will give me money. I like money".
  • Have you ever been convicted of a felony? Followed by an entire interrogation looking for any criminal or undesirable activity. As if any criminal would fill those fields in honestly.
  • Social media account name or link Because everyone uses Facebook and Twitter, right?
  • Personal web site link. Hahahahahaha. Right, because employers want to know I'm the "Internet Explorer is Evil" guy!
  • For good measure, lets throw in some mandatory irrelevant fields such as typing speed and alternate spoken languages.
  • The next time you visit to submit another resume, they will add a new field and fill in a wrong default that you don't notice.
When you do finally upload your actual resume the uploader may let you keep only so many resumes and cover letters on file. Some sites give the distinct impression deleting attachments may actually remove the attachments from your submitted applications.
On the very last page, after spending two hours filling things out, it asks if you have some experience in something they did not mention on the job description and that you have never touched. And it won't let you continue at all until you swear you have experience.

Either that, or it demands a Social Security Number, which you will happily hand over so the last two hours entering crap don't seem like they went to total waste. And someone will promptly hijack your identity. Nobody except the IRS has any business asking for that number. Need to do a background check on me? Fine, ask for that when you are actually considering me for the job.

Well, I hope you filled out every last optional field. There may have been hundreds. If you left anything blank, it will haunt you not knowing if your application has been automatically kicked out.

References, NOW!

Speaking of private information that should only be needed after an interview, some sites demand that you enter a list of references up front. They require name, job title, e-mail address, MOBILE phone number, and their first pet's maiden name, and won't let you continue until you enter all the goodies. Probably trying to sign references up to e-mail and cell phone spam.

Actual question: "When did you meet? From [mm/yyyy] (required) to [mm/yyyy] (required)"

To? What? Would that be the day you killed them?

I've even seen one site that said it would AUTOMATICALLY e-mail all of your references with an entry form immediately when you submit the application. I'm sorry, that is just wrong.

What ever happened to "References supplied upon request?".

Diversity - "Ze longer you verk here, diverse it gets."

But... before you can click submit, you have to cough up more private information in the name of "diversity". Allegedly these are for statistical purposes only. Suuure.

At least these questions are usually fairly standard. However, I have seen some bizarre and possibly illegal questions occasionally mixed in.

Race? Lilly fucking white. Would I get special attention if I said something else? Wouldn't that be racist on their part?

Gender? Yes, I have a penis in my pants. Why are you suddenly so concerned about what is in my pants? I find that line of thought very disturbing. Should I have had that removed? It seems to be in style to do that these days.

Disability? It's everyone else on this planet who has a mental disability.

Whatever. Done. Click...

...

Oh CRAP! You clicked submit? But you didn't upload a cover letter! Yea, the option to upload that was hidden in a poorly worded control somewhere around, but not part of, the resume upload. Of course that was OPTIONAL. I hope that wasn't a job you actually wanted. Either way you just wasted the last three hours.

Oops session timed out, please log in again. Changes not saved!

Assessments

Ah, finally. Done.

"Ding-You've got mail!"

"To complete your application you must take an assessment. This will only take yet another hour."

ARRRRAAAAGGG.

If an employer, IS going to require an assessment, they should say so the job listing! Also, say so clearly at the end of the application entry process so we know it is not really fully "submitted" yet. If an e-mail is sent asking for an assessment 1: make sure it does not look like spam, and 2: be mindful that it does not look the same as the useless "application submitted" e-mails that these systems send automatically. This is especially important if there are MULTIPLE steps involving different sources/sites after submitting an application.

As if multiple-guess questions that don't really tell anybody about your skills are bad enough, some actually want to "over automate" and automatically make you do a pre-recorded voice/video "interview".

This is very, very offensive and demeaning..
"This automated phone interview provides you with the ability to let employers learn a little bit more about you as part of the application process. By calling into the number provided, you will be asked a series of questions and your answers will be recorded. These questions, developed by real-world employers and hiring managers, are designed to help the employer learn a little bit more about your communication and prioritization style. Each answer provides up to two minutes of recording time and your answers will be recorded and passed on to the hiring manager."
If you want a straight answer from me, please press 1.
If you want a cynical response, please press 2.
If you would like to re-think your approach, please say "I'm an idiot" now.
If you want to hire a robot from overseas instead of an actual person, please hang up because you clearly want to do that anyway.

A lot of articles on the web out there say the modern job seeker should just put up with this sort of thing. Please keep in mind those articles are probably written by or paid for by the fancy business consultants that create these obnoxious systems in the first place.

Multiple-guess

A test to prove what one can really do? Fair enough, but they are rarely that.

Most assessments only prove that one has lots of time and is willing to jump through hoops begging and groveling for a specific job.

Weed out non-serious applicants? Fine, but if you are going to require an assessment for a job posting, say up front, so I can plan my time, or not waste my time applying. It is more than annoying filling out a lengthy application on Friday evening with no time remaining, and then out of the blue getting a message that I have to take multiple assessments to finish applying for a job. Two days of other responsibilities and putting out fires later I finally get back to it and find the link has "expired".

Those "personality" tests are outright pointless. 30 minutes of multiple choice agreeing or disagreeing with random workplace situations? What do you think that is supposed to prove? Oh, I'm sure someone gives you a bunch of pretty graphs filled with pure bullshit. Then you put the applications on the floor and pull out your Ouija board to figure out who to interview. Or feed it all to an "AI" that does essentially the same thing.

At least regular assessments pretend to ask questions about actual skills. But too often they are more about solving trick questions and popular opinion rather than gauging actual skill.

A few cynically altered examples of questions I have seen:

Answers based on someone's opinion:

Q: A consumertard needs more storage space but can not upgrade the hardware on their laptop. What is the BEST solution to add more storage?
1: The cloudz
2: Moar clouds
3: A cloud server in China
4: The answer must be the cloud! <= Expected answer, of course
5: We don't know what an external hard drive or NAS is.

Q: What is the CORRECT way to do bla bla bla securely?
1: Obvious wrong answer filler
2: Obvious wrong answer filler
3: [Totally valid answer that requires a smart phone] <= Answer they expect
4: [Totally valid answer that does NOT require a smart phone] <= Answer I selected because I'm more familiar with it and it makes more sense.

Q: A pointy-haied-boss needs to store a top secret ultra classified document somewhere secure where should they store it?
1: On an encrypted external hard drive normally kept in a safe.
2: On a highly secured and hardened internal NAS, authenticating with both a security card and ID/Password, backed up to organization-controlled secondary secure sites.
3: Encrypt the file, burn it to a CD/DVD, submit it to the secure documents department.
4: PUT IT IN TEH CLOUDZ AND UZE RETNIA AUTHENTICATION LIKE IN TEH MOVIES! <= Expected answer.

Q: What is the BEST way?
1: My way <= expected answer
2: Your way
3: The right way
4: The highway <= What I always get

Vague questions that simply do not give enough information.

Q: You are upgrading a laptoy, what is the BEST ram to put in it?
1: LRDIMM ECC <= Probably intended to be wrong, but not impossible.
2: DDR4 <=Probably the answer they were looking for
3: 1MB SIMM
4: 16k DIP 200ns <=that would be my laptop.
5: They all fit and work, right?
Not an option: "Check the manual!".

Q: You are setting up a computer that runs VM-ey things. How much ram are you being installing?
1: 4GB
2: 8GB
3: 12GB
4: 16GB <=expected answer
In reality, you need to know the requirements of the VMs you are going to use. The amount could be less or more.

Q: What is the maximum RAM that Windows 32-bit supports?
1: 4GB <=expected answer
2: 8GB
3: 12GB
4: 16GB
In reality, you need to know which Windows version and which license type. Read up on Physical Address Extensions. Some 32-bit Windows can indeed access more than 4GB of RAM.

Perhaps the assessment, such as the above question, assumes everything must be the absolute latest and greatest, but then they pull out this question:

Q: What is needed to run MacOS 9 applications on MacOS X?
1: Parallels
2: Classic Environment <=expected answer
3: Silly Putty
4: Cream of wheat
Yes, Classic Environment, but running MacOS 9 applications was DROPPED way back in 10.5 <=Actual answer.

Or, how about they forget what country they are in.

Q: IS PII (Personally Identifiable Information) government regulated?
1: Yes <=Expected answer, because the lucky person that wrote it is in Europe.
2: No, bend over and lube up. <= Actual answer for anyone in the USA.

Q: What kind of electrical plug is found on a computer?
1: [Irrelevant picture]
2: [Irrelevant picture]
3: [Irrelevant picture]
4: [Picture of a huge honking 230v british plug]

Questions that change unspecified general assumptions. For example, they expect you will follow official "procedure" only SOME of the time,

Q: A component broke in a computer, what do you do next?
1: Replace the component
2: Perform a backup
3: Bleh
4: Meh
Answer: 2. Great, I got that right!

Then later on...

Q: Something else went wrong with some other computer, what do you do next?
1: Do something that might hose the hard drive
2: Perform a backup
3: Bleh
4: Meh
Answer: 1. WTF?!

And then there are the just blatantly obviously wrong answers. Along the lines of:

Q: What is 2+2?
1: 22
2: 3.14
3: 5
4: 69
I could guess, perhaps they want to hear "5", but it is still somehow wrong.

Q: Which flavor of cake is BEST?
1: Chocolate
2: Vanilla
3: Lemon
4: Fish-shaped volatile organic compounds and sediment-shaped sediment <- Expected answer. They copy pasted wrong. Or they are using an AI that is trying to kill you.

Then there are the really nasty trick questions. Such as dumb process of elimination questions. A realistic answer is not in the list:
Q: Question
1: Irrelevant but related answer.
2: Sounds like an answer, but isn't applicable in this case
3: They just made this up (and then, unknowingly to them, it turns out in some cases this could be a valid answer)
4: Really, really, BAD, but technically related, applicable, answer. <=ANSWER

Q: Bla such and such vague situation, what should you set up?
1: Plausible answer
2: Plausible answer
3: Plausible answer
4: Something that logically would already be set up and in place <= EXPECTED ANSWER

Poorly worded questions.

Q: Question: I am not telling you what the situation is. Read my empty little mind. What is the solution?
1: How the should I know?
2: I need more information.
3: Can you be a little more vague?
4: Who cares?

Or how about making up new terminology? Or abbreviating things to obfuscate them. In the real world, nobody EVER refers to a technology using BS buzzwords or abbreviations that human resources or a test writer does:

Q: A YWM is MMDing a ZWS using an IIDY. During what RRXW should you QWT your PPD?
1: JDK
2: KFE
3: VSE
4: FUU

Sorry, this does NOT make you Sound Smart or Fancy (SSoF). It makes you sound like a FAH. (You figure out what that means).

Too often abbreviations can mean hundreds of different things depending on slightly different context:

Q: Here is a question for an assessment writer: What does TLA stand for?
1: Toast Lettus Association
2: Tire Lift Apparatus
3: TLA Listing Application
4: Tiring Long Assessments
5...: [list all possible combinations from a dictionary]

Q: A froonium drive frangle is stuck in a corvinium altex loop, how do you narfle it?
1: Frell if I know
2: Gloop the tickanizer in the sha'merp
3: Invert the polarity of the tachyon stream
4: Smurf the smurfity smurf smurf.
(Of course, the actual answer would be: write a GUI front end using Visual Basic to track the IP address)

Q: They give me money. I like money.
B: Water
1: Electrolytes!
5: What plants CRAVE!
3: BRAWNDOW, the THURST MUTILATOR! <= Expected Answer

Then there are the ones that have NO valid answer, but you have to guess what they want through process of elimination:

Q: How do you use Foo?
1: Not possibly an answer
2: Not possibly an answer
3: Not possibly an answer
4: Wrong answer that might look like an answer to some idiot who totally does not understand the technology. <= Expected answer

Or the ones that fly in the face of anyone who has actual experience:

Q: Which problem is MOST likely with this doodad?:
1: A really complex but non-applicable problem that wastes your time reading it. (Warning: 10 seconds remaining)
2: A configuration problem that should not happen
3: An obscure configuration problem that could indeed rarely happen <= Expected answer
4: Bad cable <= What happened every... single... freaking... time I actually encounter it.

Or how about just outright flawed questions? There are so many of these.

Q: Management has decided to let people work from home using their internet connected dildos. X Y and Z have been configured, what else needs to be configured?
1: Gibberish
2: Gibberish
3: Gibberish
4: Gibberish <= Correct answer!?!?
Problem is, they should be using a desktop PC, NOT internet connected dildos.

Q: If you had only one match and entered a dark room containing an oil lamp, some kindling wood, and a newspaper, which would you light first?
1: The Lamp
2: The Wood
3: The Newspaper
4: The Match
5: Document the problem and escalate to management <= expected answer.

Congratulations! You have just completed your assessment! We won't tell you how you did. You will just have to guess and worry. Let's just hope you haven't wasted the last five hours.

Getting the call
You have filled out hundreds of these job applications. Eventually the phone rings.... it isn't over!

Caller: "Hi, is this [YourName]?"
"Who is this"?
Caller "This is Ann."
"Uh, who are you with?"
Caller "I am with ThisCompanyYouSentAResumeTo! Is this [YourName]?"
"Oh, yes, thank you very much for..."
Caller: "but you sound awfully rude, we don't want that."
-CLICK-

Hu?

Bizarrely, it seems like nobody knows how to place a proper phone call any more. Even people who work in support, who should know better by now, just start in with "Hi, is this [YourName]?"

Here is what I have learned from many years of computer support experience: The proper way to place a telephone call is to fully identify yourself FIRST. Not all telephones have caller ID, and caller ID is so easy to fake and inaccurate, it is almost useless anyway. Assume the person you are calling has no idea who you are. They will assume you are a telemarketer.

When someone answers, state your name, the company you are with, and the reason you are calling.

For example, I might say "Hi, this is [My name] with [Company], I am trying to reach [Such and such], I have a message here that you are having a problem with [This and that]. Is this [Such and such]?"

After saying all that, they now know I am not Rachel with CardHolder Services, they hopefully understand why I am calling, and now they should have enough trust to continue talking with me.

You see most telemarketers/scammers/spammers who do not start in on an automated recording usually start with "Hi, is this [YourName]?".

The rule is, you NEVER say "yes" to a spammer. Saying yes at this point gives them valuable data. First they now know that the name they have for the number is valid. They can also twist that "yes" in to some form of acceptance of what they are selling or scamming you with.

Hmmm... Oddly, they keep re-listing that telephone support position. They obviously should have just hired me.:P

On a similar issue, when sending out an e-mail meeting request, ALWAYS include the time and date in the body of the e-mail! Not everybody has software to process those "ICS" invite files, or is in a position to use them (such as web mail from a public computer).

I shouldn't have to tell anybody this, but don't embed remote images in the body of your message. Almost ALL e-mail programs and web mail clients block those because they are a security hazard. If there was some piece of important information in them or if you used it as an important link, nobody will see it at all!

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Q: Rate your proficiency level in: Teamwork
1: None
2: Beginner
3: Intermediate
4: Advanced
5: It's Awesome!

And now... GOTO 10

Sigh. At the end of the day, employers say they "can't find anyone" and send the job to India.

Just a few other things:

I don't speak bullshit. Perhaps there should be classes on how to speak BS. I have actually spent the majority of my life cutting through bullshit, half assed specifications, bad program code, and so on, to get to the bottom of problems and create, fix, or improve things. It is against my very nature to create bullshit.

"If you could be any kind of animal, what would you be?". I am not an animal, and I prefer not to entertain such absurd hypothetical suppositions. I am aware I am supposed to use bullshit to turn that around in to something magically positive, but I have spent so many years going the opposite direction I can not just do that.

To be perfectly clear, I am writing all of this because I want things to get better. I strive for technological perfection, and often the only way to get the ball rolling on change is to communicate and describe the problem.
 
This just gets more and more insufferable as you scroll down.
"A+???? That could mean ANYTHING!!!!"
....and gives no examples because he knows exactly what the fuck they're asking for. I love how much I hate this guy and his terrible website. This is my hate click of the day.
 
I would not hire you if I found out you wrote this.

You know how you get a good job, you fucking whiner? You want the secret?

Know somebody.

To be precise: Demonstrate to someone who has stroke that you're not a fucking goombah who should be repurposed as mulch. This is part of that 'networking' thing you hear about. I realize that you're an IT sperg so you probably don't have interpersonal skills that go beyond drive through ordering and buying hookers off of whatever site replaced Backpage after they got dumpstered by the Feds. If you are filling out the online 'please let me in the boxcar' application, you are already at the bottom and likely to stay there. You are applying to be coal that gets shoveled into the furnace. You are interviewing to be one of the psykers who gets soul drained to keep the God Emperor alive.

The first thing they still tell people in job searching classes is "networking, networking, networking". How am I supposed to do that? I don't have pile of friends, I'm not part of the rich upper-class, I don't do sports or whatever "normal" people do, I certainly am not part of any mumbo-jumo religious group, and I have no desire to trawl through the mindless, trite sludge people call "social media".

You sound like a fucking asshole. I am horribly shy around people I don't know, only have a few friends and mostly keep to myself-- and I'm not on social media. I also have standing offers and referrals in case I decide to leave my current position, because, hey-ho would you look at that, I can nut up and get along with people. Swallow your fucking ego and make an attempt to act like a normal sociable human fucking being. People have networks and friends and help them in time of need. Guess what, Big Brained IT Guy: If you act like a fucking weirdo who doesn't talk to anyone people will treat you like a weirdo and not talk to you.

A friend of mine just left his job and walked into another position immediately. Why? Because he knows a guy who's been in the industry for thirty years. Old guy said "Stand by, son, I'll make a few phone calls." Calls the owner of the new employer who he knows from back in the day and says "Hey, I'm sending a rock solid guy to see you, check him out." Boom. Done. New job. Is this 'correct'? I dunno. Is it fair? Beats me. Is it legal? Yes, it is. Is it how humans do things in the social system we all live in? Yes, motherfucker, IT IS.

No man is an island. Learn this, or suffer. Your choice.
IT spergs don't write like this, programmer spergs do (and yes there's a difference). The main thing IT needs to do is keep up to date with things and how they may interface with old/new tech; this guy is living in the early 2000's, at best. Your average IT sperg knows differences between things, and can even read between the lines on what many questions are actually asking; this dude's problem is he is so out of fucking touch with how to behave in the real world, and how shit operates in the IT world, neither would want him. And I say this as an IT sperg, I looked through some of his bullshit questions, and could theorize what his idiot fucking brain was trying to say; because one of the things about the IT world isn't knowing the 526 ways that X is X, it's being able to take incomplete (or just fucking wrong) information, compare it to information you can gather, and come to a conclusion. Like his question about how a 32-bit system can actually go above 4GB of RAM, he's technically correct; but do you know where you'd find those systems? Early 2000 to maybe mid 2000's NASA, IBM, and a few other big name companies; and even then, it'd only be a handful of systems compared to the couple hundred others that are running normal software. So while he's technically correct, even in the IT world he's wrong, because we have advanced so far ahead, we don't need to use a goofy workaround when we can just install a 64-bit system, and even if we couldn't, 99.9999999999% of IT techs don't work at those kind of companies and thus would never fucking use that method. It's so fucking obtuse (and now out of service) that there's no point to know it, unless you're a retro sperg wanting to live in better times. Thought back in the day, servers might, but this is not the kind of person you even let into the server room because he'll probably try to gnaw through the locking mechanism on the cabinet.

This just gets more and more insufferable as you scroll down.
"A+???? That could mean ANYTHING!!!!"
....and gives no examples because he knows exactly what the fuck they're asking for. I love how much I hate this guy and his terrible website. This is my hate click of the day.
I honestly agreed with him for a fraction of a moment; but only because recently while doing some MS Azure stuff, a simple question of "In the world of security, what does ISO stand for?"

A: International Organization for Standards <===What they wanted
B: Information Security Officer <===What I picked
C: I don't remember
D: I don't remember

But then I kept reading his drivvel and wanted to club his head in.
 
Maybe the fact that you can’t spellcheck - which shows you can’t even take the most basic step to act presentable, you come across as an arrogant, elitist prick, you can’t express yourself without writing the longest diatribe ever seen - which shows you don’t value other people’s time, and you can’t even understand the intent behind a lot of these questions comes through. Based on this article, I wouldn’t hire you either.

It’s like showing up 2 hours late to a date without showering, in a dirty shirt, doing nothing but talk about yourself the whole evening, and then end the date by telling the girl she’s ugly, and then wondering why she doesn’t want a second date.
 
I can somewhat understand the authors pain but I also kinda got fucked out of college plans due to the fucking "digitul resume/portfolio" requirement shit starting up at the place I was aiming to get into around the same time. The article's even more rambly than the instances I even get going into detail to people I know about the jobshit/educationshit thats been a pain in my fucking ass and robbed me of the future I was building up to. Fucking took internet article guys this fucking long to make shit complaining about it? Bitch ass if you're a white dude who has no connections and isn't jewish or overtly political you are FUCKED through the ringer,at least from my experience from these last 6 years. The years before those are just the fucking "can't get hired without experience can't get experience without getting hired" dilemma or the "all digital cause future!!!" shit.
Fuck, I wish there was a fucking decent small business with open hirings around my area. I'd be all in on that shit so i wouldn't have to put up with the radio silence, or "we'll get to you later" followed by radio silence when trying to get a job that isn't just fucking menial wagie slave shit.
 
I don't want to discourage people, but in the job field, it really is nothing more than who you know. My old manager, only had his job because he was the bosses son, would come to work a few hours a day and leave to cheat on his wife.

An amazing entry level job I got, was only because my g/f at the time was very socially connected and influential. The interview was virtually just to see if I could converse with Humans normally, and boom I got the job.

I have other examples but you get the picture.

I'm convinced 80% of jobs are who you know. And even then, I wonder if I'm understating it.
 
A cunt wrote this article.
That's my default assumption when they won't even include a pen-name. Something early on is telling though:
-Job Listings-
10 FIND JOB LISTING
20 SEND RESUME
30 GOTO 10
Caps lock=ancient, probably FORTRAN/COBOL. So I am assuming this is an autistic dinosaur that is learning that IT personnel aren't hard to come by anymore, he can't be an unrepentant asshole anymore. Because of the autism and cunty personality they don't understand networking. Because of their age they don't understand how to do the legwork to find IT temp agencies that very much exist (seriously if you can do round peg-round hole type hardware installation you can make $15/hr doing IT like Monday, it's not hard). If I were inclined I could give him a phone number for a temp agency with virtually infinite FORTRAN/COBOL work where their clients have told them "name your price" meaning he could name his wage. I know people making six figures doing laughably easy work because they have knowledge he's demonstrated. Unfortunately for this abrasive author I am unwilling to expose my friends/acquaintances to such a dickhead. It would be poor professional networking on my part. The funniest bit is that you can still easily do exactly what he says you can't anymore. He's quite literally opting in to the process he wrote this screed about.
 
I'm convinced 80% of jobs are who you know. And even then, I wonder if I'm understating it.
Who you know or at worst; irreplaceable in your location (I.E. No one with the skillset wants to move there for that pay, and you just happen to be there). Otherwise, any basic to somewhat mid-level IT job is gonna have 50+ candidates to sort through; and they'll just take the shortcut of it being someone's neighbor's nephew's friend.

That's my default assumption when they won't even include a pen-name. Something early on is telling though:

Caps lock=ancient, probably FORTRAN/COBOL. So I am assuming this is an autistic dinosaur that is learning that IT personnel aren't hard to come by anymore, he can't be an unrepentant asshole anymore. Because of the autism and cunty personality they don't understand networking. Because of their age they don't understand how to do the legwork to find IT temp agencies that very much exist (seriously if you can do round peg-round hole type hardware installation you can make $15/hr doing IT like Monday, it's not hard). If I were inclined I could give him a phone number for a temp agency with virtually infinite FORTRAN/COBOL work where their clients have told them "name your price" meaning he could name his wage. I know people making six figures doing laughably easy work because they have knowledge he's demonstrated. Unfortunately for this abrasive author I am unwilling to expose my friends/acquaintances to such a dickhead. It would be poor professional networking on my part. The funniest bit is that you can still easily do exactly what he says you can't anymore. He's quite literally opting in to the process he wrote this screed about.
I've noticed recruiters starting to put feelers out on Fridays; and between my last post and now I've had two more "Hey, we'd like to talk and get to know you" emails. All for places I won't go (LA Area / Santa Monica / Etc) for prices they're pissing on me and telling me it's raining ($40/hr is top). But you are right, I know a guy who makes $300,000+ a year because he knows Ruby. Dude retired once, less than 5 years later he's back in the office because everyone else either quit, died, or went elsewhere and they can't find anyone with the knowledge in their head and they're paying him far more than they were before. He says he'll probably die in the office, but his grand kids will be taken care of.
 
Who you know or at worst; irreplaceable in your location (I.E. No one with the skillset wants to move there for that pay, and you just happen to be there). Otherwise, any basic to somewhat mid-level IT job is gonna have 50+ candidates to sort through; and they'll just take the shortcut of it being someone's neighbor's nephew's friend.


I've noticed recruiters starting to put feelers out on Fridays; and between my last post and now I've had two more "Hey, we'd like to talk and get to know you" emails. All for places I won't go (LA Area / Santa Monica / Etc) for prices they're pissing on me and telling me it's raining ($40/hr is top). But you are right, I know a guy who makes $300,000+ a year because he knows Ruby. Dude retired once, less than 5 years later he's back in the office because everyone else either quit, died, or went elsewhere and they can't find anyone with the knowledge in their head and they're paying him far more than they were before. He says he'll probably die in the office, but his grand kids will be taken care of.
Maybe this is just me being insulated from the more circus-like elements of clown world but do recruiters really bother reaching out for hourly jobs? That just seems like the spammy middlemen that are hitting up anyone remotely relevant they can get an email for. I've actually taken a lot of efforts to avoid contact like that but years ago when it started I had some fun responding like I thought it was an automated email.

I cannot understate how desperate places are for things like COBOL/FORTRAN or older/niche shit like A/S400z. This is shit they have to maintain because it is infrastructure that would be staggeringly expensive to replace and it'd take years to do it. There aren't many new students entering the job market with these skills either. There's none if you exclude people in-the-loop that are gunning for these positions. The person I mentioned making six figures? He's on-project 4/12 months every year doing his thing. They pay for his gas to drive to the airport, his plane tickets, nice accommodations, a generous per diem, and his six-figure salary. Since these are negotiated per-contract he can simply double or triple his wage demands if he really doesn't want to go somewhere.
 
Maybe this is just me being insulated from the more circus-like elements of clown world but do recruiters really bother reaching out for hourly jobs? That just seems like the spammy middlemen that are hitting up anyone remotely relevant they can get an email for. I've actually taken a lot of efforts to avoid contact like that but years ago when it started I had some fun responding like I thought it was an automated email.
Yes they do; but I don't think they actually work for the company directly, but hired to find people for them. I've also received direct messages from HR doing headhunting and such on LinkedIn; but those were a direct "We have a contract for a base in the middle of fucking nowhere" like Fallon Nevada or 29 Palms. I cut to the chase "You're asking me to uproot what I have right now so let's keep it simple; what can you offer me to move?"

Like this one, signed with a name from the recruiting company. The lady signed her name with the company with the opening, so she's probably an HR person with an indeed hiring account. And $40/hour is pretty nice, but it's in Santa Monica, and I'm not interested in living in a closet that shares a kitchen and bathroom with four other people.
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I cannot understate how desperate places are for things like COBOL/FORTRAN or older/niche shit like A/S400z. This is shit they have to maintain because it is infrastructure that would be staggeringly expensive to replace and it'd take years to do it. There aren't many new students entering the job market with these skills either. There's none if you exclude people in-the-loop that are gunning for these positions. The person I mentioned making six figures? He's on-project 4/12 months every year doing his thing. They pay for his gas to drive to the airport, his plane tickets, nice accommodations, a generous per diem, and his six-figure salary. Since these are negotiated per-contract he can simply double or triple his wage demands if he really doesn't want to go somewhere.
It's funny you mention the AS400, because that's one of the first things I worked with and when I run into older people; they ask me where the hell did I get AS400 experience. You want to know the truth. The first job I got was in a casino and we had 3 different instances of AS400; one for the hotel room/bookings, one for player tracking, and one for inventory ordering. Some of the other departments had a nice GUI for certain parts of their job, but everything on the backend was that archaic fucking system that's older than most of the people working there. There's also the government, they use it here and there too. My resume is out there and it's always funny when I end up talking to an older person and they always ask "What were you doing with the AS400?"
 
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That's my default assumption when they won't even include a pen-name. Something early on is telling though:

Caps lock=ancient, probably FORTRAN/COBOL. So I am assuming this is an autistic dinosaur that is learning that IT personnel aren't hard to come by anymore, he can't be an unrepentant asshole anymore. Because of the autism and cunty personality they don't understand networking. Because of their age they don't understand how to do the legwork to find IT temp agencies that very much exist (seriously if you can do round peg-round hole type hardware installation you can make $15/hr doing IT like Monday, it's not hard). If I were inclined I could give him a phone number for a temp agency with virtually infinite FORTRAN/COBOL work where their clients have told them "name your price" meaning he could name his wage. I know people making six figures doing laughably easy work because they have knowledge he's demonstrated. Unfortunately for this abrasive author I am unwilling to expose my friends/acquaintances to such a dickhead. It would be poor professional networking on my part. The funniest bit is that you can still easily do exactly what he says you can't anymore. He's quite literally opting in to the process he wrote this screed about.
Nah, that language is BASIC, and that snippet is something of a meme amongst retro computer enthusiasts, although normally you’d use it to send the computer into an infinite loop of printing “TITS” or something funny. It’s just an infinite loops. Fortran doesn’t require the use of GOTOs, youd just use a while loop, at least in any vaguely modern iteration of it, and I don’t know about COBOL, but both of those languages are considerable more capable than BASIC, which is why they still find use and BASIC doesn’t outside of shitty Excel plugins and viruses.
 
Bullshit. I'm a hiring manager. The amount of times I've said "come talk to me, if you aren't completely retarded, you'll most likely get the job", to then be basically buried in bullshit handout-seeking "candidates" asking for free money is a whole lot more than 0.

Therefore, dance for me monkey, dance.
A problem too is that a lot of people just apply online. If they’re more proactive, talk to a recruiter, reach out on LinkedIn, etc., they’d have more good luck. Especially in the current job market. If they can’t get a job now, except as bloggers, that speaks more of them than anything else. Imagine not being able to find a job now of all times…
 
You can roll out of bed and make 70k (something like twice the median indivdual income or nearly so) if for programming jobs with little experience, so I can understand their application autism.
 
Effortpost incoming.

I manage about 100 IT-adjacent people, indirectly. Advice for Zoomers (or Millenials, I guess):
You can't talk to business employees. Employees would be reprimanded, fired, and sued if they even hinted about any business internals.
There's no reason you need to talk to my employees, but I'd be happy to talk to you. Send me an email directly, tell me what you're applying for, and at the very worst I'll remember your name if it's on the list of qualified people HR sends through. If you don't hear anything back, feel free to send a follow up in about a week, but if there's nothing after that, don't bother sending more. Don't call me either; I won't be available and neither will most managers.
Then there are the ones that spell out every impossible little detail. "100 Years of proven experience programming Java, XML, and HTML, no less than 5 years of experience with Zoomaploop, Jazorpazola, and InternalBlaApp that only five companies on the planet use so good luck getting experience or finding training,
Lol, yeah, but they're real requirements. We're still using BASIC because that's what was cheap when the company started and fixing it would require us to rewrite all the APIs. Meet at least some of the requirements and we'll find consultants to do the rest.
Almost every job expects people to "hit the ground running" with no additional training or learning period. In some cases that is understandable, but when it comes to something like software development, or supporting internal applications, every business is unique. There is ALWAYS going to be some learning.
If you've applied for the senior cloud engineer job, then yeah, I kind of expect you to know how to use an AWS pipeline, fill out a ticket in JIRA, and set up a VPN already. I expect you to be already familiar with the big infosec audit standards. You probably cost close to $250k a year; you need to hit the ground running.

Jr. DevOps is a different story. We're going to stick you with some people who will teach you the ropes, but you still need to be able to pick up the necessary skills in short order, because otherwise this job probably isn't for you.
I'm pretty far away from the big cities in California, but even I'm getting emails and messages on LinkedIn saying "We're interested in your skillset and would love to go over your formal resume if you'd like. Oh by the way, here's what we're paying." I thank them for the offer, but tell them no, because while it's an impressive number by itself; I wouldn't be able to afford anything outside of a single room
See if you can find a remote job. Can't hurt to ask. $225k a year or whatever goes a long way in Georgia or North Carolina or wherever you are.
you'll most likely get the job", to then be basically buried in bullshit handout-seeking "candidates" asking for free money is a whole lot more than 0.
Preach. I'll never forget the time that I had to explain to HR that "management experience would be an asset" does not mean it's OK to send me resumes from literal Applebees managers with no relevant tech experience. We aren't elitists, but c'mon...

Half the hoops you need to jump through are just to make sure you can follow simple instructions. I appreciate that the hiring process is opaque to job seekers, but you gotta understand the sheer torrent of shit we get when we post a position. Half of them are Indians lying through their teeth for green cards; the other half are people who "want to make a change" but have done absolutely nothing to show us they've put time into becoming an IT professional instead of a "Communications Specialist" or a "Social Media Manager". It costs me like $10 each time I want to send an IQ or skills test to an applicant; I'd rather not send them to the people who have no hope of getting the job. At least recruiters wade through Shit River for me.

Oh, and the reason we don't send you an email telling you you didn't get the job is so we don't get sued in some bullshit discrimination lawsuit. If we never email you back, we never rejected you, did we?
I am horribly shy around people I don't know, only have a few friends and mostly keep to myself-- and I'm not on social media. I also have standing offers and referrals in case I decide to leave my current position, because, hey-ho would you look at that, I can nut up and get along with people.
I don't have a lot of friends either (bit of a workaholic and I never stayed in touch with my college buddies), but my professional relationships are excellent. IT tardwrangling is a very in demand skill. You can make a whole lot of money if you can combine decent interpersonal skills with some basic IT knowledge. You don't need to know how to setup a delivery pipeline or a source control platform or a web server (that's what the spergs are for), but you do need to know what those is and what the characteristics of a good one is. Combine that with being able to solve problems for the product managers and sales teams, and you're on your way to SVP at a Fortune 500.
I cannot understate how desperate places are for things like COBOL/FORTRAN or older/niche shit like A/S400z. This is shit they have to maintain because it is infrastructure that would be staggeringly expensive to replace and it'd take years to do it. There aren't many new students entering the job market with these skills either
They probably should start teaching these skills, because the 70 year old consultants we have to pay make like $350/hr. Do yourself a favor and at least take an x86 assembly course in college to see if you can deal with low level programming, then maybe dip your toes into these ancient programming languages that pretty much every bank in the country uses.
A problem too is that a lot of people just apply online. If they’re more proactive, talk to a recruiter, reach out on LinkedIn, etc., they’d have more good luck. Especially in the current job market. If they can’t get a job now, except as bloggers, that speaks more of them than anything else. Imagine not being able to find a job now of all times…
Yeah, we're just people, at the end of the day. Getting your first job can be challenging; give yourself the best opportunity to be successful. Reach out to whoever you can and introduce yourself in a normal, human fashion.

A tip for anyone who has recently made the jump from IC to management: the most important quality is to appear controlled and confident. If you're nervous and non-confrontational by nature, you won't be able to tardwrangle the IT spergs. Even if you are an IT sperg, you need to find a way to exert control of a whole bunch of people whose natural tendency is to be disorganized and risk-averse. If you're confident about what you're doing, how you're doing it and when it needs to be done, IT people will naturally want to please you because they're pretty much all beta cucks desperate for relief from their normally chaotic work environments. You don't have to always know what you're doing, but you do have to appear like you do.

Occasionally, you'll get a prima donna who thinks he's Steve Jobs, but you have to buck break them. Use as light a touch as you can, be as friendly as you can, but be ready to remind them that you are in charge and there is a reason you are in charge instead of them.

Lastly, remember that your praise and criticism are both currencies. Excessive spending of either is a good way to lose control of your department. You don't need to thank people for doing their job; you do need to thank people for doing a great job or working crunch. Likewise, you don't need to play the blame game when a mistake is made, but you do need to let people know you're disappointed in their performance when they make a mistake and they should have known better.
 
Oh CRAP! You clicked submit? But you didn't upload a cover letter! Yea, the option to upload that was hidden in a poorly worded control somewhere around, but not part of, the resume upload. Of course that was OPTIONAL. I hope that wasn't a job you actually wanted. Either way you just wasted the last three hours.
For all the exceptionalism on display I can relate to this. Some companies have incredibly obtuse application portals now where the cover letter field is treated as part of your overall profile, so the job you're applying to pulls from it rather than on the application itself. It's not explicitly stated either so you only find out after submitting and checking over your application.

With that said, just lol apply somewhere else. You're going to be throwing out dozens of resumes actively job hunting anyway, one more ignored application is just part of the process.
 
Eh, I kinda get where this is coming from. Finally at the end of a long job search in tech, I really felt some of this. A lot of this is greatly exaggerated, but I experienced some of this bullshit in every application I sent out. I will never understand why I need to make a special log in just to apply to a company. With all that said, from the tone of the article, the author may be having issues if he actually talks like this.
The good news is most of these things become non issues once you get a job. Then there's new bullshit to deal with.
 
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