Opinion Moderation Is Different From Censorship

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This is a point I keep seeing people miss in the debate about social media.

Moderation is the normal business activity of ensuring that your customers like using your product. If a customer doesn’t want to receive harassing messages, or to be exposed to disinformation, then a business can provide them the service of a harassment-and-disinformation-free platform.

Censorship is the abnormal activity ensuring that people in power approve of the information on your platform, regardless of what your customers want. If the sender wants to send a message and the receiver wants to receive it, but some third party bans the exchange of information, that’s censorship.

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The racket works by pretending these are the same imperative. “Well, lots of people will be unhappy if they see offensive content, so in order to keep the platform safe for those people, we’ve got to remove it for everybody.”

This is not true at all. A minimum viable product for moderation without censorship is for a platform to do exactly the same thing they’re doing now - remove all the same posts, ban all the same accounts - but have an opt-in setting, “see banned posts”. If you personally choose to see harassing and offensive content, you can toggle that setting, and everything bad will reappear. To “ban” an account would mean to prevent the half (or 75%, or 99%) of people who haven’t toggled that setting from seeing it. The people who elected to see banned posts could see them the same as always. Two “banned” accounts could still talk to each other, retweet each other, etc - as could accounts that hadn’t been banned, but had opted into the “see banned posts” setting.

Does this difference seem kind of pointless and trivial? Then imagine applying it to China. If the Chinese government couldn’t censor - only moderate - the world would look completely different. Any Chinese person could get accurate information on Xinjiang, Tiananmen Square, the Shanghai lockdowns, or the top fifty criticisms of Xi Jinping - just by clicking a button on their Weibo profile. Given how much trouble ordinary Chinese people go through to get around censors, probably many of them would click the button, and then they’d have a free information environment. This switch might seem trivial in a well-functioning information ecology, but it prevents the worst abuses, and places a floor on how bad things can get.

And this is just the minimum viable product, the case I’m focusing on to forestall objections of “this would be too hard to implement” or “this would be too complicated for ordinary people to understand”. If you wanted to get fancy, you could have a bunch of filters - harassing content, sexually explicit content, conspiracy theories - and let people toggle which ones they wanted to see vs. avoid. You could let people set them to different levels. Set your anti-Semitism filter to the weakest setting and it will only block literal Nazis with swastikas in their profile pic; set it to Ludicrous, and it will block anyone who isn’t an ordained Orthodox rabbi. Or you could let users choose which fact-checking organization they trusted to flag content as “disinformation”.

The current level of moderation is a compromise. It makes no one happy. Allowing more personalized settings would make the free speech side happier (since they could speak freely to one another and anyone else interested in hearing what they had to say). And it would make the avoid-harassment side happier, since they could set their filters to stronger than the default setting, and see even less harassment than they do now.

This doesn’t solve all our problems. There are some genuine arguments for true censorship: that is, for blocking speech that both sides want to hear. For example:
  • That it’s a social good to avert the spread of false ideas (and maybe even some true ideas that people can’t handle). People might want to hear these ideas (“What? Joe Biden is a lizard person spy? I hadn’t heard anything about that on the so-called mainstream media!”) but they should not be allowed to.
  • That certain acts of communication - like bomb-making instructions and child porn - don’t qualify as “ideas” per se and should not be shared even if we are committed to to the free flow of information. Pedophiles may want to share child porn with each other; terrorists may want to share bomb-making instructions with each other - but we shouldn’t let them.
  • That people you consider bad (Nazis, Communists, Chinese pro-democracy activists) could discuss their bad ideas with each other, recruit other people, become well-organized, and then overthrow your your society.
I’m less sympathetic to these arguments than most people are, but I can’t deny they sometimes have value. They ought to be debated. Understanding the difference between moderation and censorship won’t end that debate.

But my point is: nobody is debating these arguments now, because they don’t have to. Proponents of censorship have decided it’s easier to conflate censorship and moderation, and then argue for moderation. The solution is to de-conflate these two things - preferably by offering moderation too cheap to meter. Then censorship proponents can argue for why we still need censorship even above and beyond this, and everyone can listen to the arguments and decide whether or not they’re worth it.

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If your moderation has an obvious bias, then it's censorship. Nobody is against moderation; it's when it specifically affects ONLY a group of people with little recourse.
 
There are some genuine arguments for true censorship: that is, for blocking speech that both sides want to hear. For example:
That it’s a social good to avert the spread of false ideas (and maybe even some true ideas that people can’t handle).
Fuck right off.
 
CP is illegal, bomb making is illegal. Saying whether an election results are illegitimate is not illegal. At least, it shouldn't be.
 
CP is illegal, bomb making is illegal. Saying whether an election results are illegitimate is not illegal. At least, it shouldn't be.
It shouldn't be because it isn't.

Moderation is the normal business activity of ensuring that your customers like using your product. If a customer doesn’t want to receive harassing messages, or to be exposed to disinformation, then a business can provide them the service of a harassment-and-disinformation-free platform.

Censorship is the abnormal activity ensuring that people in power approve of the information on your platform, regardless of what your customers want. If the sender wants to send a message and the receiver wants to receive it, but some third party bans the exchange of information, that’s censorship.
Nigga, who is judging that the post is disinformation or not? Though out the pandemic we have seen "disinformation" get quietly proven right months later and "the facts" get quietly buried when people catch on that they were lies.

Moderation and Censorship used to have clear line between them. But when the fight over "disinformation" came to a head in 2019 they became one in the same. People want to talk and exchange information about the pandemic and the 2020 election, but the powers that be would suppress it using misinformation as the excuse. You can not police disinformation without censorship, because the whole point is controlling the narrative.
 
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Allowing more personalized settings would make the free speech side happier (since they could speak freely to one another and anyone else interested in hearing what they had to say). And it would make the avoid-harassment side happier, since they could set their filters to stronger than the default setting, and see even less harassment than they do now.
Echo chambers are bad. That is why I like this sub. Even though most people share some of my opinions there are people that will call me out and the better ones sometimes have compelling arguments. I mean some are spergs but we are all spergs at one time or another.
That it’s a social good to avert the spread of false ideas (and maybe even some true ideas that people can’t handle). People might want to hear these ideas (“What? Joe Biden is a lizard person spy? I hadn’t heard anything about that on the so-called mainstream media!”) but they should not be allowed to.
Why is it a social good? What makes the blocking of free thought a social good? You cannot just make that claim as a given. Right now one side is calling people election deniers because they are either unwilling to engage with what they consider to be false ideas or they may be unable to engage with evidence because it is censored.

Why is this good? Who actually benefits? Several months ago it was a false idea to claim the vaccines for Covid did little to nothing to prevent the spread of the disease now that is admitted by the creators of the vaccines. Before that it was a false idea to claim cloth masks did not prevent the spread of Covid at all, that surgical masks offered little to no protection especially if worn incorrectly, and that permanent n95 use was not a great idea even if it is more effective. Even after studies were released that was all a false idea.

How was the censoring of those false ideas a social good?
That certain acts of communication - like bomb-making instructions and child porn - don’t qualify as “ideas” per se and should not be shared even if we are committed to to the free flow of information. Pedophiles may want to share child porn with each other; terrorists may want to share bomb-making instructions with each other - but we shouldn’t let them.
There are legitimate reasons for possessing the knowledge of how one constructs an explosive device. You may own a large chunk of land and need to remove a large rock.

There is no legitimate use for child porn. It is repulsive and consumers of it should get the rope. The fact that this drooling mong compares the two is evidence of their ignorance or their insincerity.

Not everyone who can construct a bomb is a terrorist. Everyone who possesses cp is a pedo. Yes even you, Feds.
That people you consider bad (Nazis, Communists, Chinese pro-democracy activists) could discuss their bad ideas with each other, recruit other people, become well-organized, and then overthrow your your society.
I do not just consider Nazis and Communists bad. They are objectively bad.

Again the fact that this retard cannot grasp why limiting that asshole's speech does not end up endangering this asshole's speech is more evidence of their ignorance or insincerity.

Also, Chinese pro-democracy activists? Lumping them in with Nazis and Commies is really dumb and speaks volumes about the author.

I ventured into the comments for a second and witnessed this cult member:
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Ah yes people forced their ideas on you until you finally adopted them. That is the sign of a truly enlightened person.
 
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The probem is the definition of harassment has been so watered down no one knows.
I mean I consider harassment when you start to reach into my real life. Some people consider this forum harassment when the information is easily avoided. I mean we have become de-indexed by Google so there is not even a chance to a normie finding that one likes to browse a cartography website or is a zoo torture degenerate.
"A business can provide." No businesses exist to make money they have no right (in theory) to decide what people with their time.
"Disinformation".
Spare me.
Wuhan lab theory- proven true.
Hunter Biden - true.
Whitmer "kidnapping" most were Feds.
The media serves more disnformation nowadays.
Also, I want to receive as much information as possible and oftentimes, I CANNOT find it if I use Google. On bing, I can.
 
The more we're pushed around the more it can be seen that "free speech" is hardly about ideas as much as it is about populations being able to coordinate and inform each other's actions. At the least, this is how the-powers-that-shouldn't-be see it, and why they censor and manipulate what people hear: to prevent populations they want to lobotomize from coordinating and informing each other's actions, for the offense of having an ethnically based unwillingness to suck circumcised dick with as much vigor as they'd like.

Trump is a distilled example of this. His supporters hardly cared what he said so much as that he was against a machine they had long sensed hated them. Thus the masses used the then mostly free internet to signal each other that they should, for their collective interest, support this goofy guy, that he was something different. Hell, the legacy media, in their hubris, themselves helped to signal he was an outsider. Support of Trump itself became an important signal of coordination due to how immune it was to the routine ability of the media and political apparatus to undermine. Unfortunately, despite their instincts to coordinate, for decades they have been deliberately mistaught about how power works, so they were soundly outplayed, being unable to understand the process and necessity for popular sentiment to transform in to a new order.

I know I'm repeating myself but speech is maximally about ideas only in an already homogeneous population, and even then it's still mostly about coordination.

Once more for the libertarians in the back, the-powers-that-shouldn't-be would happily allow every idea under the sun to be shared as widely as can be if they could be certain those ideas would not be used to coordinate against them. That's an impossibility in itself, but even if not, what would be the point of that, to be able to think freely but not act freely? Acting as an individual is to be effectively powerless against those who are allowed to coordinate. The entire war against "racism" and "bigotry" is just that: to make taboo the ability for populations (that aren't talmudic) to coordinate. Even coordination that isn't distinctly racial will be framed as anti-semitic when it rubs against power.

It is less tyrannical, and more honest, to censor under the formulation "conspiracy against the king". The reason why it isn't done that way in our current regime is not because we are freer, but is pointed out by Kanye, and the fact that they are an inherently feminine, passive aggressive, fake and gay of mind and body people that nobody with self respect would bow to publicly. They can not rule except by deception, abstraction, and deliberately teaching people incorrectly about how power works. Man is a political animal, and to castrate their ability to think politically is to turn them in to cattle. And they sure treat us as such.

So, for those who don't want to be cattle, understand that curating the ability of people to coordinate not only can be done for their own good, it must be done in order to organize them effectively. People have been deliberately induced to think otherwise by a political class which for as long as we've been alive has acted against our interests, and has managed to convince people, for their own security, that it isn't them who are bad, but all possible authority. Thus they are protected from the flocking of the people to anything with the ability to take away their increasingly obvious illegitimate hold on power. For example, if a critical mass of people loyal to Trump understood power, they would have positioned themselves to do what is necessary to remove the old order, and might have had a shot at it. But because they have been taught to be cucks to a already subverted constitution and other politically inept principles, the Trump regime was castrated by his own supporters as much as his enemies.

Edit: I should add that especially right now it isn't that too much free speech is our problem, but a general misunderstanding of the landscape we fight on leading to an inability to break through their measures put in place to prevent our effective organization.
 
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If your moderation has an obvious bias, then it's censorship. Nobody is against moderation; it's when it specifically affects ONLY a group of people with little recourse.
The problem with "moderation" is it goes way beyond what the rules actually state. If you have a no porn rule, then any porn (especially the illegal stuff) gets nuked on sight. Four letter words become hearts or asterisks? Okay. That's fine, if a bit childish. Yet most "moderation" will ignore everything but what hurts their "in-group". Make fun of white people? A-okay! Imply that trannies aren't real women? BANNED!
 
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