UK MoD spends millions on private schools to avoid Welsh language - mae hyn yn wirioneddol ddrwg bois

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The Ministry of Defence (MoD) spends around £1m a year sending children to private schools in north Wales because "state schools teach some or all lessons in the Welsh language".

It paid £1,019,000 in day school allowance in north Wales for 83 children of service personnel in 2024-2025, and £942,000 for 79 children in 2023-2024 under a longstanding practice.

A spokesperson said "service children can face frequent moves" and the allowance "aims to minimise disruption to their education".

Plaid Cymru called it a "complete waste of money" and "an insult to our language" while the Conservatives said parents should be able to choose the language in which their children are taught.

The figures were obtained following a BBC Wales request under the Freedom of Information Act.

The website of RAF Valley on Anglesey tells its workforce, "if you live and serve in north Wales, where state schools teach some or all lessons in the Welsh language, you may choose to send your children to an English-language independent school.

"Provided you are accompanied by your family at your duty station, you can use this allowance to cover the cost of tuition fees, field study trips/residential educational courses and daily transport."

An MoD spokesperson told the BBC, "the purpose of Day School Allowance in North Wales (DSA-NW) is to assist service families posted to the region, where Welsh is the primary medium of local state education.

"As mobility is a part of service life, service children can face frequent moves and DSA-NW aims to minimise disruption to their education.

"The MoD supports the sacrifices service personnel, and their families make, and DSA-NW assists with the costs of independent day schooling given in English."


'Where teaching is bilingual or non-English'​



The allowance covers tuition fees up to a maximum of £22,755 a year, £7,585 per term, and is available to people living in the counties of Conwy, Denbighshire, Gwynedd, Anglesey or Flintshire and serving in one of the following establishments:

  • RAF Valley, Anglesey
  • Joint Services Mountain Training Centre, Anglesey
  • Joint Services Mountain Training Wing, Llanrwst
  • Wales University Officers' Training Corps (UOTC), Bangor detachment, Caernarfon.
There are four qualifying private schools in north west Wales.

The relevant joint service publication confirms that "payment of the allowance is limited to those areas where teaching in the state sector is on a bilingual or non-English basis".

People serving elsewhere in the three branches of the armed forces - the Army, the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force - can claim a continuity of education allowance which contributes towards boarding and/or tuition fees up to a maximum rate, with a minimum parental contribution of 10% for each eligible child.
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Welsh Conservative Senedd member Natasha Asghar said "members of the British armed forces move around the country and the world, and the MoD have always tried to ensure that their children have access to consistency in education".

"While we fully support Welsh-medium education across Wales, it's important to remember there are two official languages in our country, English and Welsh, and local councils and education authorities should provide for both.

"Parents should always have the option to choose the medium in which their children are taught."

Plaid Cymru's education spokesperson Cefin Campbell MS said "not only is this a complete waste of money, it is an insult to our language".

"I cannot think of any valid reason to be spending such money every year, on preventing young people living in Wales from having the opportunity to learn the Welsh language.

"Bilingualism enriches life and supports the development of young people, but the UK government is clearly blind to this.

"This money is a perfect example of the attitude of the Westminster parties towards Wales and the Welsh language - namely ignorance and insults."
 
"state schools teach some or all lessons in the Welsh language"
Absolutely insane considering only 27% of the population in Wales are actually fluent in Welsh.
They're forcing the kids to learn a language most of their native parents have no knowledge of. Kids must absolutely hate it.
 
If you join a school part way through term and they don't give some lessons in English then you aren't going to learn.

Guess what army kids do all the time?
 
Absolutely insane considering only 27% of the population in Wales are actually fluent in Welsh.
They're forcing the kids to learn a language most of their native parents have no knowledge of. Kids must absolutely hate it.
Welsh is really only spoken in the west or north of the country.

South Wales (from Carmarthen to Chepstow) is mostly English speaking.

I'd never say 'get rid of the language' as it is part of Wales' heritage, but I cringe at Larpers like Owen Hurcum who go 'I'm a proud Welshman' despite hailing from Hendon in London (not Wales) and thinking that putting on a Max Boyce voice and wearing a red jersey makes him Welsh... Nope!
 
Ironically the most likely thing that will happen as a result of this nonsense will be the eventual closure of all the MoD facilities remaining in Wales. Checkmate taffy.
 
There's a similar situation in Catalunya. Minority language preservation is all fun and games until you have a teenager who can't function in a global language.
 
I dont have an issue with this. Of a child has been educated in England and has no Welsh and the parents are posted to wales for a year, it’s pointless stress for them to learn Welsh.
 
I dont have an issue with this. Of a child has been educated in England and has no Welsh and the parents are posted to wales for a year, it’s pointless stress for them to learn Welsh.

no we have to handicap children for the revolution

what are you some kind of colonizer
 
There's a similar situation in Catalunya. Minority language preservation is all fun and games until you have a teenager who can't function in a global language.
It's the unfortunate reality of learning minority languages. Save the old heritage and tradition but at the price of being unable to understand more widely spoken convenient to use languages.
 
It's the unfortunate reality of learning minority languages. Save the old heritage and tradition but at the price of being unable to understand more widely spoken convenient to use languages.

preserve your heritage by making sure your children can't get a university education and are a helpless labor force for whoever owns the agricultural land and big hotels, sounds like a plan
 
Nothing wrong with teaching a traditional white language, its better than them teaching them arabic or some heathen african language.
 
The excessive consonants and unclear way to pronounce Welsh makes me think it’s just TEMU Dutch or Icelander.
 
When I was at school, we were forced to learn French and/or German.
I wasn't interested in either and just sat quietly and ignored the whole thing.

This isn't a new thing.

that's not the same thing

this is a significant amount of daily instruction

kids who get educated this way can easily end up functionally illiterate in the majority/global language

@Breadbassket I can sing some very very nice songs in my own lost heritage language but thank God I was educated in the language I was expected to sit exams in
 
Absolutely insane considering only 27% of the population in Wales are actually fluent in Welsh.
They're forcing the kids to learn a language most of their native parents have no knowledge of. Kids must absolutely hate it.
Sounds like a good thing if you ask me. Wales shouldn't be an extension of England.
 
I feel like Welsh would be taken a lot more seriously if the writing system wasn't contrary to every other language that uses the Latin alphabet. I can read text in just about any language that shares a writing system with mine and get close enough to be somewhat intelligible despite having zero familiarity. With Welsh, the sounds I'd assume the letters make aren't even remotely close. Even Polish is easier to read.

I know it's a weird artifact of being an insular, pre-Saxon language, but just use the fucking Latin pronunciations like everyone else did, give or take.
 
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