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She means 155, but what she's saying is the discrepancy is always there. By all accounts he read 155 in the back.
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Slimy Time said:
She means 155, but what she's saying is the discrepancy is always there. By all accounts he read 155 in the back.
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Surely if everyone uses the same backstage one, they'd have known it was off the official one by .5lb, especially since Charles was the last one to weigh in, at which point he should have had a couple of hours to ditch that last half pound. Not to mention (almost) everyone else managed to make it, despite the discrepancy, in which case still his fault.
 
East_Clintwood said:
Surely if everyone uses the same backstage one, they'd have known it was off the official one by .5lb, especially since Charles was the last one to weigh in, at which point he should have had a couple of hours to ditch that last half pound. Not to mention (almost) everyone else managed to make it, despite the discrepancy, in which case still his fault.
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So the argument is that he thought he made weight yesterday, stopped cutting weight, then had to restart, which is apparently very hard. End of the day, as much as I may sympathise with him, 3/4 fighters in title fights made weight, and he didn't. Again, it's why fighters in title fights should shoot for 0.5 to 1lb under the target weight to avoid this bullshit.

Gaethje made an astute observation that all the people coming out saying there are scale problems are Brazilian, and that he saw no discrepancy between his weight on the digital and on the official, nor did anyone else have issues making target weight.
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Okay this is absolute poopoo. The UFC can really benefit from making weight class ranges as lenient as boxing. For example, instead of having the lightweight range be between 154.5 and 155.5 (for championships), just make it 5 pounds below or above 155. This shouldn't be a scary thing; there are plenty of guys who have beat dudes who missed weight.
 
naffatune said:
Okay this is absolute poopoo. The UFC can really benefit from making weight class ranges as lenient as boxing. For example, instead of having the lightweight range be between 154.5 and 155.5 (for championships), just make it 5 pounds below or above 155. This shouldn't be a scary thing; there are plenty of guys who have beat dudes who missed weight.
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It already works like that. The lower limit for LW is 146. Raising the upper limit by 5 would just result in everyone coming in at 160.
 
Hog On Ice said:
It already works like that. The lower limit for LW is 146. Raising the upper limit by 5 would just result in everyone coming in at 160.
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What? Doesn't every division in the UFC only have a 1 pound allowance for non-title fights, and a 0.5 pound allowance for championships? Vera vs Font was made a catchweight bout for the previous reason.

Also, I don't think everyone would come in at 160. There are always naturals who will come in somewhere within the 150 to 160 pound range assuming there's a 5 pound allowance.

EDIT: Nevermind; just realized that all weight classes have a lower limit that is basically a pound above the upper limit for the class right below them. Don't think I've ever seen someone missing weight because they were 2 pound below the upper limit, lol (e.g. lightweight fighter missing weight because he's 153). Makes sense too.
 
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It's a bad omen for Garth. Khabob basically missed weight (or at least he didn't have to cut extra) then finished Garth. IIRC overweight fighters are more likely to win statistically speaking. Off the top of my head, Fig and Romero also missed weight, then won the non-title in a spectacular fashion. RIP Garth.
 
The plan is simple Charles, Chandler, and Cerrone win tonight, Conor wins the rematch with Cerrone, and then the UFC sets up Chandler vs Conor for the lightweight title.
 

Interesting. Someone is making the legal argument that the Arizona commission didn't follow their own laws regarding weighing in. Specifically that their regulations permisses MMA fighters to have 2 extra hours to cut weight on a miss, and that weigh in should be held no more than 24 hours ahead of the event. They did hold official weigh ins more than 24 hours ahead.

Could be an argument for improper weigh in by the commission, not that I think Oliveira is going to go to court over it.
 
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Funny story dude
That Rose fight fuckin sucked btw. Never seen a more boring fight.
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It was worse than Adesanya-Romero and Santos-Walker, the 2020 and 2021 worst fights of the year, which is a fucking achievement and a half. Imagine Adesanya-Romero, but if Adesanya decided not to throw leg kicks from round 3 onwards to rack up points on activity.

This was Rose being her usual nervous wreck, but instead of channeling that into starting fast and sparking her opponent out, it was instead pushed to her never leading and refusing to take risks, even as it became clear in the few takedowns/scrambles that Carla couldn't hold her down. Carla isn't blameless either, because her striking is bad when she can't get takedowns, and she did the stupid Rashad Evans plan against Machida, which is not lead and try to wait for the counter striker to get bored.

How neither of them were told by their corners to fill the space with either leg kicks for Carla, or body jabs/straights for Rose is mystery to me. Coin flip rounds because neither person wants to do anything isn't a smart fight from either person.

Remember, Adesanya-Romero had tension because of Romero's ability to adjust and smash someone, and there were clear rounds for both guys, as crap of a fight as it was. This was two people conspiring to not have a fight and toss up rounds.
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Gaethje really didn't look good at all. No idea how to deal with a clinch, flinging himself off balance with his strikes, tapped in round 1 after months of calling Charles a quitter, which is pretty funny. Oliveira being able to just pull guard whenever he's in the shit knowing very few people would want to play it is a godsend for him.
 
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I'm glad I watch the UFC alone because it would have been embarrassing if someone was with me when Tony died.
If Oliveira also lost I may not have been able to control my power level.
On a side note I'm seeing way too much talk about Islam getting the title shot now. He better fight Dariush or I may have a fit.
 
apolloday said:
On a side note I'm seeing way too much talk about Islam getting the title shot now. He better fight Dariush or I may have a fit.
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There is no champ at this point in time (even though there is). Just depends on his mood and what he thinks makes sense. I suspect he really wants Islam-Dariush and is willing to sideline Oliveira for it. No rush at the moment, Oliveira has already knocked out 3 of the top 5 guys in title fights. Can also figure out what to do with guys like Fiziev, Gamrot and Arman as well while they wait.
 
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He better fight Dariush or I may have a fit.
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islam v dariush, and then the winner (probs islam, let's be honest) vs charlie would be perfect. i'd be so happy if it happens like that.

also; justin was so bad today, like he really was off form. loading up on all his strikes, knocking himself down with his own punch. not his best. i don't think people give charles enough props for his striking, he had justin wobbled from the first punch. and his striking is so fun to watch, it's way different from the classic punch kick shit. all knees and elbows and weird angles. his striking is great. seeing him knock down justin and then immediately get his back, that was scary man. it felt like i was watching a shark.
i can't wait to see him fight islam, but islam ffs fight someone in the top 5 who actually has a camp for once. at this point you could say that islam's luck for these matchups is as good a weapon as his sambo..
 
The best part about the Rose fight was watching the cutmen try to stay busy between rounds.
Watching Ferg go down made me sink inside like when Goochi got hit by that backhand.
Oliveira was awesome though. Glad he's apparently getting the PPV points despite the belt thing.
 
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