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[Slimy Time]

NICK DIAZ THE HEARTLET

This is the sort of thing that makes me grin for the Diaz hardcore fans. Dude quit. I don't blame him, he's just there to pick up a check, but that fanbase is one of the worst.

I never wanna see Nick fight again lmfao I don't think the announcers are even picking up on it though, he fucked up his leg... shades of McGregor...

Unless I'm seeing shit, but on the replay it buckled on the edge of the octagon, and it looked like something was popping out. Regardless, he's just on drunk uncle status, just completely over the hill.

Calf kicks? I'll give him credit that the fighting style instinct is still there, volume combos, the body shots, the covering up on the fence, he's just washed physically and probably half assed any training. Can't say I didn't enjoy seeing flashes of what made him good, and it ended at round 3, so we can get on to the main event.

 

[OJ Simpson]

I guess the only bet to make for this next fight is what round Shevchenko ends it

 

[Slimy Time]

I guess the only bet to make for this next fight is what round Shevchenko ends it

I wish I was that optimistic. Going by her record we are in for a 25 min snoozefest while she either outpoints or lays ontop of Murphy without doing anything.

Lighting her up on the feet, can't do anything, still shoots and gets for a takedown. I'm telling you, its going to be 25 mins with this bitch. Just finish her and let us watch the actual important fight.

Thank you Valentina, you gave us 1 round less than the full 25...

 

[Bush did USS Maine]

The fight DC used as an example where a challenger he couldn’t remember beat up the champ the full 25 minutes must be RDA - Pettis, right? What a great fight. Wish I was watching that again instead of this

oh thanks shevchenko

 

[Slimy Time]

The fight DC used as an example where a challenger he couldn’t remember beat up the champ the full 25 minutes must be RDA - Pettis, right? What a great fight. Wish I was watching that again instead of this

oh thanks shevchenko

No, he meant Figgy Moreno 2, he just forgot that Moreno actually finished him in round 3 after kicking the shit out of him. RDA Pettis fits just as well.

Amazing that the only fight on the main card that I care about is the main event, because that's the one which could go either way, as opposed to all the others being obvious. Please can California take one more L and have Ortega lose. Ok, now I really want this faggot to lose with those masks.

Fucking hell Volk, made my heart spike up like hell mate. Jesus, look at the difference in their faces.

 

[You're a Big Guy]

Volkanovski is IMMUNE to bjj. Just fucking stares Ortega down in the choke.

 

[Slimy Time]

Volkanovski is IMMUNE to bjj. Just fucking stares Ortega down in the choke.

The one thing I was worried about was correct, he would get caught in those subs, turns out he's either got a neck from hell or sheer willpower to get out of those. He got full mount guillotined by someone who does these submissions perfectly and got through it. Didn't get the finish like he wanted but might as well have with how he flipped that 3rd round. Their faces tell it all. He has a small cut and 2 mouses on his cheeks, Ortega looks like he can barely see out of either eye.

 

[naffatune]

Nick will push forward and shut down Lawler for the entire fight, then proceed to fight Masvidal for a whatever made up belt.

Didn't happen, and I knew it wouldn't. Going into the fight, I was confident that Lawler had the speed and power advantage with the hands.

Let me just take this moment to comment that Nate and Nick are not good boxers at all. To me, they're one of the worst boxers in the UFC. Even if they manage to land shots, they don't completely shut anyone down, because they punch with their arms only and don't use hip rotation. They also have as much defense as crippled hamsters.

I can't come up with a reason for why people still think that Nick and Nate are good boxers, other than the fact that they usually throw their hands when striking, and sometimes, they land, but you can only credit their chins for keeping them up, not their "boxing".

 

[You're a Big Guy]

The one thing I was worried about was correct, he would get caught in those subs, turns out he's either got a neck from hell or sheer willpower to get out of those. He got full mount guillotined by someone who does these submissions perfectly and got through it. Didn't get the finish like he wanted but might as well have with how he flipped that 3rd round. Their faces tell it all. He has a small cut and 2 mouses on his cheeks, Ortega looks like he can barely see out of either eye.

Ortega was just too tired by that point to choke him out.

 

[Slimy Time]

Didn't happen, and I knew it wouldn't. Going into the fight, I was confident that Lawler had the speed and power advantage with the hands.

Let me just take this moment to comment that Nate and Nick are not good boxers at all. To me, they're one of the worst boxers in the UFC. Even if they manage to land shots, they don't completely shut anyone down, because they punch with their arms only and don't use hip rotation. They also have as much defense as crippled hamsters.

I can't come up with a reason for why people still think that Nick and Nate are good boxers, other than the fact that they usually throw their hands when striking, and sometimes, they land, but you can only credit their chins for keeping them up, not their "boxing".

I think it's because Nick came around during the time when "boxing" in MMA was basically "hit as hard as you can" and neither he or his brother did, they were some of the first "volume strikers". When everyone is throwing haymakers and looping punches, and then someone who fans like come around and throw pitter patter volume striking and mix it up to the body and it works, it is seen as "good boxing" in the context of MMA. Also, people who watch MMA and genuinely like the Diaz bros hardcore tend to be idiots.

 

[KatanaSenshi]

Didn't happen, and I knew it wouldn't. Going into the fight, I was confident that Lawler had the speed and power advantage with the hands.

Hindsight. Also, you're objectively wrong, because what I described happened in round 1 even though it didn't continue. Lawler was dealing with it pretty well by throwing back similar kind of peppering shots but if fight had continued that way (basically slap fight) Lawler could have lost. Heck, Nick was landing more shots in the 2nd round though he was visibly slowing down, dude did good for an alcoholic coke head.

What changed the fight trajectory is Lawler's mikazuki-geri (or snap kick, hard to tell due to angle) in the 2nd round. Since that point Nick pretty much stopped marching forward, and every time Lawler threw a body-anything, Nick was running away or tried to counter with sloppy punches (only to get punched more). Nick was pretty much done after the second liver kick.

Nick lost mainly because he was a bad kickboxer or MMA stiker, not particularly a bad boxer.

Just look at how liver kick can one shot anyone.

(Diaz boxing bad bad bad without any technical detail)

Just tell me what's EXACTLY wrong with their boxing, especially Nick's. What's exactly wrong with their offense/defense/ footwork/etc? Also, tell me why Nick could go to the distance with Anderson, he survived because of chin? Really?

 

[OJ Simpson]

Ortega was just too tired by that point to choke him out.

I don't even know what happened but I guess a clash of heads that busted Ortega's nose. After that, proper breathing went out the window and he started huffing and puffing. From round 3 on he was doomed, started swinging for the fences and expending most of his energy. Hell of a couple submission attempts though, I'd be lying if I said I thought Volkanovski was getting out of them.

 

[Slimy Time]

I don't even know what happened but I guess a clash of heads that busted Ortega's nose. After that, proper breathing went out the window and he started huffing and puffing. From round 3 on he was doomed, started swinging for the fences and expending most of his energy. Hell of a couple submission attempts though, I'd be lying if I said I thought Volkanovski was getting out of them.

Yeah it was a clash of heads. Southpaw vs orthodox at that time, clashes can happen in the pocket. That's what happens when there is a height disparity, shorter guy tends to take the clash on the top of his head and the taller guy takes it on his face.

Shit happens, unfortunate that it rocked him a bit and busted up the nose, but it happens. Honestly thought they were going to doctor stop it at round 3 because Ortega was just out of it. He's got that classic Mexican fighter heart though.

Corner wasn't doing him many favors by asking him to blast double, which is something he just can't do. It's like asking Woodley to punch in combination. That's not how he gets his subs, he gets them from clinch snapdowns or from opportunities like he did in round 3. Just not very good corner advice tbh.

 

[Salubrious]

Honestly Lawler looked terrible. Nick was completely out of shape and could barely move, but Lawler was losing through the first eight minutes. What does that say about Lawler?

Also, why the hell was Lawler just standing in the pocket when that was literally all Nick could do? If Lawler had ANY lateral movement or takedown, he would have dominated. Instead, he made a bad striker in Nick look better than himself through at least 8 minutes of an 11 minute fight.

 

[OJ Simpson]

Diaz would have been summarily finished in the first 2 minutes by anybody under 35 with enough fire in their belly. Lawler is a disgrace and should just retire after that. Absolutely no way a drunk uncle should step into the octagon and be respected when they're fat, huffing and puffing a couple minutes into a fight, with swings and kicks slower than Muhammed Ali swinging a baseball bat, in the midst of a comeback. I like the Diaz brothers, but at this point, anybody being challenged when fighting an ageing, out of shape Nick Diaz needs to ride off into the sunset to save face.

 

[naffatune]

I'll just start by saying that I don't hate the Diaz bros. I like their attitudes and toughness. But to pretend that they have world-class boxing is to take attention away from the guys who actually deserve it (e.g. Aldo, Volkanovski, Yanez, Petr Yan and others)

Just tell me what's EXACTLY wrong with their boxing, especially Nick's.

I already did. They have sloppy arm punches with no power or speed. They also have very little defense (virtually no slips, rolls, blocks, or parries). All Nate and Nick have is hand control, but it can be easily countered by pretty much any punch, especially jabs, crosses, and uppercuts. Nick does have a specialty for body shots, but everything else he does is trash.

Nick and Nate are also very stationary and don't bother to take angles, but I can say that for a lot of UFC guys.

Nick was pretty much done after the second liver kick.

Whether or not the liver shot hit Nick wouldn't have mattered. Lawler was already pressing Nick against the cage because he was the better boxer, period, and Lawler isn't even that good. Even when Nick was landing, Lawler was not phased, cus he ain't got power, son

The fact that you've been binge-drinking the Diaz kool-aid is as obvious as the fact that the Diaz bros don't have good boxing at all. Enjoy some of these nuggets (and listen to what Anik says at the end of the third clip)

Also, Anderson landed much more shots than Diaz in their fight, and Anderson isn't perfect either. You can say he beat Chavez Jr, but it was by split decision. Also, Chavez Jr is not at all a respectable name.

 

[Slimy Time]

I'll just start by saying that I don't hate the Diaz bros. I like their attitudes and toughness. But to pretend that they have world-class boxing is to take attention away from the guys who actually deserve it (e.g. Aldo, Volkanovski, Yanez, Petr Yan and others)



I already did. They have sloppy arm punches with no power or speed. They also have very little defense (virtually no slips, rolls, blocks, or parries). All Nate and Nick have is hand control, but it can be easily countered by pretty much any punch, especially jabs, crosses, and uppercuts. Nick does have a specialty for body shots, but everything else he does is trash.

Nick and Nate are also very stationary and don't bother to take angles, but I can say that for a lot of UFC guys.



Whether or not the liver shot hit Nick wouldn't have mattered. Lawler was already pressing Nick against the cage because he was the better boxer, period, and Lawler isn't even that good. Even when Nick was landing, Lawler was not phased, cus he ain't got power, son

The fact that you've been binge-drinking the Diaz kool-aid is as obvious as the fact that the Diaz bros don't have good boxing at all. Enjoy some of these nuggets (and listen to what Anik says at the end of the third clip)

Also, Anderson landed much more shots than Diaz in their fight, and Anderson isn't perfect either. You can say he beat Chavez Jr, but it was by split decision. Also, Chavez Jr is not at all a respectable name.

Wasn't Anderson's split decision over JCC Jr somewhat controversial? Regardless, still probably the best boxer that an MMA guy is going to beat in boxing.

 

[who dare wins?]

sorry, new to UFC and what not but recently saw this unfold. Are we really surprised?

Jon Jones 'arrested on misdemeanor domestic violence charge'

Jones was inducted into the Hall of Fame on Thursday for his UFC 165 victory. Jones is then said to have been arrested at 5.45am on Friday morning at a resort near Las Vegas Boulevard.

www.dailymail.co.uk

UFC chief Dana White claims Jon Jones has 'demons' after Vegas arrest

UFC BOSS Dana White believes former champ Jon Jones has ‘demons’ after his alleged arrest on Friday morning. Jones, 34, has reportedly been arrested for domestic violence and tampering …

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[East_Clintwood]

sorry, new to UFC and what not but recently saw this unfold. Are we really surprised?

Jon Jones 'arrested on misdemeanor domestic violence charge'

Jones was inducted into the Hall of Fame on Thursday for his UFC 165 victory. Jones is then said to have been arrested at 5.45am on Friday morning at a resort near Las Vegas Boulevard.

www.dailymail.co.uk

UFC chief Dana White claims Jon Jones has 'demons' after Vegas arrest

UFC BOSS Dana White believes former champ Jon Jones has ‘demons’ after his alleged arrest on Friday morning. Jones, 34, has reportedly been arrested for domestic violence and tampering …

www.thesun.co.uk

The only remotely surprising thing is that it hasn't happened sooner given his catalogue of other fuckups. Personally I'm waiting til he's officially done fighting because I can see him going full Mayhem Miller and that shit seems like it will be hilarious.

 

[who dare wins?]

The only remotely surprising thing is that it hasn't happened sooner given his catalogue of other fuckups. Personally I'm waiting til he's officially done fighting because I can see him going full Mayhem Miller and that shit seems like it will be hilarious.

I am surprised Dane white keeps up with his shit still. The moment he retires from MMA is the moment he goes full chimp mode and likely murders someone.